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The Clegg Series site was established in December of 1996 to provide an opportunity for people of African descent and others to present uncensored information about Black History and culture. Our intention was to create a forum for a broad, provocative and respectful exchange of ideas.

Unfortunately, over the past month the entries into our popular guestbook have degenerated into rude, vulgar and racist name-calling. While we certainly encourage controversy, we don’t believe that personal or racial insults are appropriate. Let us continue our dialogue on a constructive level.

During the existence of our site, the major point of contention has been whether the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans. It is quite understandable that this issue would stir up heated passions. For nearly two hundred years now, White scholars have removed Black people from Egypt, Egypt from Africa and Africa from world history. They have always taught that Egypt is in the Near East, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and even the Fertile Crescent. They have never informed the world that Egypt is and always has been on the Continent of Africa.

While White publishers controlled everything written and taught about Africa - - and often published books stating that the Ancient Egyptians were White - - no one, except Black people, complained. However, since Black people began publishing their own work and using the internet to tell our story, suddenly everyone is interested in setting Black people straight by insisting that the Ancient Egyptians were neither Black nor white, but Arabs, like the Arabs of today.

We disagree. Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7^th Century AD, long after Ancient Egyptian civilization had declined and faded away. Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.

Many have argued that, even if the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans, modern African Americans, who lay claim to Egyptian civilization, are not akin to them because their ancestors were West Africans. This reflects a lack of knowledge about African history. Virtually all West African people trace their ancestry to the northeast and ultimately to the Nile Valley. A number of Black scholars have revealed evidence of the ancient migratory trail from the Nile across the continent to West Africa and the Atlantic Ocean. Therefore, modern African Americans do indeed have a direct link to the Ancient Egyptian people.

We understand that most White people and Arabs have great difficulty imagining Black Africans to have laid the foundation of civilization. We sincerely regret that Western racist propaganda has so narrowed their worldview. But, at this site we deal with evidence - - not propaganda, not passion, not preconceived notions or white supremacy.

In our bi-monthly MA’AT newsletter, we present evidence that the main-stream media will not touch, because it would destroy racist myths that have been embraced as inviolable truths by millions around the world. If you find this site to be at variance with your sacred belief system, please avoid visiting us. After all contrary opinions prevail in most other forums. Why not express your views on those sites where you may comfortably reassure people of like mind?

In the meantime, for those of you who chose to study, evaluate and critique the Africentric perspective on the origin of the Ancient Egyptians, we invite you to visit the February, 1997 issue of MA’AT. This monumental document presents a substantial body of evidence that conventional scholars, both Arab and European, choose to ignore.

Many Black scholars have presented the Africentric view on the "race" of the Ancient Egyptians. Their research has triggered a reevaluation of certain assumptions. For example, most Black Africans do not have thick lips and broad noses. There are four distinct Black African physical types. All were part of the Ancient Egyptian population. Secondly Ancient Egyptian drawings were largely conventional. This means that they clearly had a symbolic meaning that was not true to form. For example, the traditional reddish brown color used to portray all men (no matter what their true skin tone) may have represented the African "blood of life" concept. For religious purposes, Black Africans have painted their bodies red or reddish brown from time immemorial.

Therefore, one should not reach hard and fast conclusions about Egyptian ethnicity based on the color used in the tomb and pyramid drawings. Furthermore, even if the colors are accurate depictions of the people, a number of indigenous, unmixed Africans, like the Pygmies, have reddish brown skin tone. Yet no one would deny that these are "Black" African people. In light of this, if the Ancient Egyptians were indeed of reddish brown skin color, they were of the same color as modern Pygmies.

As many writers in the guestbook have attempted to explain, the original Black Egyptians were mixed with invading Libyans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Arabs and Western Europeans. This explains the genetic status of the modern Egyptian, who does not resemble his Black African forebears.

To truly determine the Ancient Egyptian "race," one must consider the full range of linguistic cultural, anatomical, archaeological and genetic evidence. One recent, nonblack scholar, Richard Poe ("Black Spark: White Fire: Did African Explorers Civilize Ancient Europe") (Prima Publishing, Rocklin, CA), has done just that and has reached the following conclusion: "Were the Egyptians black? That is entirely up to up to you. But were they biologically African? It would seem that they were."

We, of course, believe that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans and the following is a synopsis of some of the evidence that supports our view:

Evidence from Physical Anthropology

The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect that they were a Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

Melanin Dosage Test

Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated that these remains were of Black people.

Osteological Evidence

"Lepsius canon," which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the "ideal Egyptian" as "short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type."

Evidence From Blood Types

Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the "same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding."

The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves

"The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the negroes (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales," singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly negroes or at the very least black men. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of pharaonic Egypt as a black people."

Divine Epithets

Diop demonstrates that "black or negro" is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.

Evidence From the Bible

The Bible states that "…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah." According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the black."

Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa

Through a study of circumcision and totemism, Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa

In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.

Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors

Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.

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HI, THE HEBREWS WHICH IS OF EGYPTIANS/ETHIOPIANS BOTH ARE SAME IN LINEAGE... Don't surprised that Egyptian is Ethiopian, Ethiopian is Egyptian.. these two can not be divide by one name.. like two name was called of one lineage in jesus the messaish. the Attack on ethiopia lands by arabs and greeks army, Both lost thier husbands in struggle and knew what it meant to be a fugitives and Both suffered the agony of seeing one their sons taken into captivity. This is not lied to you.. That is clealy proof! Turly, truly, look In book of called Ezekiel the prophet 29:11 saying, " I will make the land of Egypt (lost)desolate,... and I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.. (ezekiel 30:13 there be no more a prince of the land of egypt).. I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries; and they shall know that I am the JAH. YOU WERE WENT INTO CAPTIVITY among NATIONS So the JEHOVAH "scattered" (the ethiopians,which is of the egyptians)them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; Because the JEHOVAH did there confound the language of all the earth: and thence did the JAH "scatter" (the ethiopians)them abroad upon the face of all the(nations)earth. .. Did you notice "scatter/ or scattered" which is spread, that why the(AFRICA OR EGYPT)HAM LAND of their father threw you on other land such as gentiles. you have preach the truth to other becuz whites/arabs claimed called"JEW". IT not true. there whites teach them false doctrines and various false things that egyptian/ethiopian were white, which you have seen.. if you won't do it, well, truly in the last day there will be The white kings and even ingore black of the earth worse hate and presecute againist you than ever now ..the white/arabs dont want you to find out the bible was came from AFRICA LAW... believe in me please! follow me to service him. Bible never lied to you, it prove you..the BIBLE IS OF NEGRO HISTORY!!.. God their fathers promise you that God will give you a land where you came from.. You will return into HAM's own land.. praise JAH!,AMEN. every written that processeth out of the mouth of GOD.>rick wrote.

RICK <Biblical followers Israelite of the HAM glorious lands>
Age: mmmrick, untied twelve tribes African Israelites, US USA - Thursday, April 08, 1999 at 03:47:01 (EDT)

HI, THE HEBREWS WHICH IS OF EGYPTIANS/ETHIOPIANS BOTH ARE SAME IN LINEAGE... Don't surprised that Egyptian is Ethiopian, Ethiopian is Egyptian.. these two can not be divide by one name.. like two name was called of one lineage in jesus the messaish. the Attack on ethiopia lands by arabs and greeks army, Both lost thier husbands in struggle and knew what it meant to be a fugitives and Both suffered the agony of seeing one their sons taken into captivity. This is not lied to you.. That is clealy proof! Turly, truly, look In book of called Ezekiel the prophet 29:11 saying, " I will make the land of Egypt (lost)desolate,... and I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.. (ezekiel 30:13 there be no more a prince of the land of egypt).. So the JEHOVAH "scattered" (the ethiopians,which is of the egyptians)them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; Because the JEHOVAH did there confound the language of all the earth: and thence did the JAH "scatter" (the ethiopians)them abroad upon the face of all the(nations)earth. .. Did you notice "scatter/ or scattered" which is spread, that why the(AFRICA OR EGYPT)HAM LAND of their father threw you on other land such as gentiles. you have preach the truth to other becuz whites/arabs claimed called"JEW". IT not true. there whites teach them false doctrines and various false things that egyptian/ethiopian were white, which you have seen.. if you won't do it, well, truly in the last day there will be The white kings and even ingore black of the earth worse hate and presecute againist you than ever now ..the white/arabs dont want you to find out the bible was came from AFRICA LAW... believe in me please! follow me to service him. Bible never lied to you, it prove you..the BIBLE IS OF NEGRO HISTORY!!.. God their fathers promise you that God will give you a land where you came from.. You will return into HAM's own land.. praise JAH!,AMEN. every written that processeth out of the mouth of GOD.>rick wrote.

RICK <Biblical followers Israelite of the HAM glorious lands>
Age: mmmrick, untied twelve tribes African Israelites, US USA - Thursday, April 08, 1999 at 00:59:54 (EDT)

Hi There, I acknowledged that I actually am an native ETHIOPIAN JEW, I am brown-skinned and wooly hair. EGYTIANS,HEBREWS,AND ETHIOPIANS ARE CONSIDERED IN ONE LINEAGE OF HAM THE FLESH. WHY NOT YOU ACCPET THIS. NOT YOU ? GHE'EZ WAS EGYPTIAN/HEBREW... HEY DON'T SHAME WHO YOU ARE!

rick <Hi-There@blackkings>
Age: 27, sacto, ca USA - Wednesday, April 07, 1999 at 03:36:32 (EDT)

Hi Everybody, I wanted to tell you something add up to saying ., I wrote abt "egyptian-israel" from below. i just thought assumed on my own theory abt it in my vision mind. I dont mean that i know everything abt it.. Hey egypt which is africa or ham land that i give you an answer correct!. I do not talk about egypt in north area.. I know you were came from(HAM)egypt or africa. All the land of Egypt since it became a nation. Look at In book of Exodus 9:18,24; Psalm 105:23,27 and Psalm 106:7,21-22. We can live through the valley of (Desert)death. the casuasians/arabs can't live through the (wilderness)valley of death. I truly know that europe, arabs and some others are belong to egypt, then they will shame and die there where they are now ! Becuz there is go growing the famine spread all europe, arabs land to egypt now! the bible tell you. it was exactly revealed you. the bible wont lied to you.. the bible tell you that God promised you all that God will give the land to you there. please faith in your God. praise the LORD JAH, the God almighty!. I believed that egypt were colored(dark-skinned to olive-skinned),and all were wooly. ETHIOPIANS, EGYPTIANS, AND EVEN HEBREWS WERE THE SAME ALL COLORED. THEY WERE SAME IN THE LAND OF THEIR FATHER HAM. Now you see africa had been lost powerful and lost tribes, they became poor in general etc etc now... there is nothing king and queen in africa like as england now has queen and king their tradition for exist... you see african american were came from the EGYPT-ISRAELITES. (Canaan)Israel was from africa state is of HAM their Father,it was actually they were escaped and a fugitive and a vagabond to spreaded in the west africa and the east-south africa. that how romans captured them to brought up to slavery to sell etc, etc... you know that the africans are the Jew sons of God. they are jesus the same yesterday, and to-day, and forever. Amen the ALMIGHTY GOD! I can't hide from truth and me. the Truth set you free, or Truth could hurt you (as a SWORD SHALL PIERCE THORUGH THY OWN SOUL ALSO), please dont start get'MAD'at us. would you forgive me?, Thank you for share with my theory and comment! might God bless among you .. the word written your the flesh and your the(Blood)breath also! by every written that proceedeth out of the mouth of JAHwhich have been since the world began: ALLELUIA-JAH, AMEN!

RICK <CKFARBES@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, sacto, ca USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 20:58:33 (EDT)

Alafia, Hetepu, Shalom, Jambo, Salaam, Mikiyo, Wassup, Greetings to all. I see we have a few individuals who insist to dispose of the Egyptian is Black theory or Afrocentrism as racist ideology and a demented dialogue. I ask and challenge all those why is this the case. Has not Eurocentrism or the Aryan concept acheived this already? We now live in a world colonized by Europeans, so quite naturally, any thought that contradicts Eurocentric ideals will be branded as intrusive, disturbing mythology, feel good sentiment or in most cases, downright racist. Europeans have for centuries been the perpetuators of these kinds of activities, not Africans and the rest of the Majority World Peoples. One commentor says the Egyptians are related to the Dravidians, Onge and others of India, this is true. But let me show you the racist spin of this person. europeans have always tried to connect themselves to the Fertile Crescent, Harrapan, and Nile (Hapi) areas. They do this by coining the term Indo-European, which basically means the Aryans or the parent Caucasian group originated in the area of Iran. By making this claim, the Caucasian family is indirectly saying that the grandfathers and mothers of civilization are of the Indo-European branch. They also try to assert some mythical Meditterean group, which in plain terms is either an 100% Black African people or a 50% Black African people. Why do Europeans always speak of the "white" or Semitic North Africa? For the same reasons, they are now implying imperial China, as well as, pre-imperial China was generated by the minds of Huns and other Indo-European people. Is this not a myth created by the need for cultural imperialism and ultimately White Supremacy. Yes, that's why the commentor can in calling this site racist, but not filtering out the racist notions in his mind. Its cool when blacks just accept being butt-naked bootie scratchers but when these Negroes insist to make the Egyptians (a civilization more advanced than what any African can acheive)Black now these pitiful and backwards Negroes are racist, living in fantasy and moving backwards. Notice the language most arguers use, its imperialistic. So I question any entry with remarks that Negroes aren't and couldn't never be Egyptians as having an hidden agenda which could hinge on a psychological aspect. Why refute the claims made without ever saying why you do, except using your ignorant defenses to support you. This doesn't advance your point, it only makes you look more foolish. Odabo, Shem hetepu, Medase pii, Shalom, Salaam. Also, anyone for dialogue can E-mail me at Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com ALL NAYSAYERS WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS, NOT YOUR RHETORIC?

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:43:49 (EDT)

racism is a sickness and this site is racist and extremist. this site is a step back not a step forward. if race didn't matter then this site wouldn't exist. you are not egyptians. no body is going to accept you as one, grow up and get out of your fantasy.

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:04:45 (EDT)

egypt was a semetic north and a black nubian south. egypt was not a black country in the strictest sence. egyptians resembled and still do for the most part people from india, pakistan, arabia and israelites. no egyptian or anyone else from the world is going to beleive in the black fantay that egyptians were black. afrocentrism was brought to bring black pride to black americans, even if it meant bending the truth and denying egypt's genetic diversity, which is so so so obvious. egypt will never accept you as its daughters...EVER.

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:02:36 (EDT)

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:02:33 (EDT)

Hi my brothers and sisters, I read all various comments... I actually am believed that the Egyptians were colored or a brown-skinned and woolly hair also as well alike as Ethiopians..... So I admit you that i read the bible, it telling you the truth that Egyptian and Hebrew were the same colored! you cant even say in denial! All of you who said, " THE HIEROGLIH WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR THE CASUASIANS/ARABS! they could never understand.. that is right .. just like the bible is too tooo complcated for the white/arab foreigh peoples... becuz the king james bible was the EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. just not be surprised that the real egyptian who was written the book copied from the hieroglpyphic walls where special room for law and etc, before the whites and arabs foreign invaded the egpyt. they relocated to upper egyptain-israel, it was safe book hidded in there, etc etc some how babylons invaded egyptian-israel of jerusalem captial... he found it.. anyhow it was speard to over all world.... i acknowleged that the king james bible it was came from HOLY EGYPT.. other, tell you , you should ask others came from egypt who denied that egyptian was black, then ask them if they knew abut their ancestors of pharaoh or rameses and worship Ra. if not, that obviously they aren't from. they are not a certian jew or egyptian.. they follow after other gods called ALLAH.. there are white wrtie on their own now and also arabs wrtie on their own. they now polluted their own destruction way. they both tried beat the origin king james bibe from egyptian Israel. but it will overcome them I believed that i am one of the lost ten tribes of Egyptian-Israelties... believe me please ... i beg you to read king james bibe will tell you the truth.. it is really a strong characteristic of black way.. you will undersand it .. i beg you to read the bible of king james.. it is your besy friend, amen allueia!. you should proud of yourself who you are! you are the BLOOD OF EGYPT KINGS and QUEENS IN your veins and souls. the KING OF KINGS and QUEENS in the black fellas. rick

rick <ckfarbes@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, sacramento, ca USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 10:06:40 (EDT)

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Abdul Kareem Ibraheem Al Sa'ali <aswad@talk21.com>
Age: 34, LONDON ENGLAND - Sunday, April 04, 1999 at 19:03:33 (EDT)

Legrand: I really enjoyed your website. Very interesting assortment of opinions presented here--quite informative. Thank you for your devotion to research such subject matter. there are those who will be in denial of possible truths for a lifetime. To them be the darkness of racist attitudes and viewpoints. When we know our origins we also have a much clearer view of our future and potential for success. I enjoyed our conversation that Sunday evening--you should try to swim more often--it's great for the stress too. I'm still researching the information on the South American healer. Talk to you real soon. Take care of yourself.

Michael Hill <Sirach@pacbell.net>
Age: 45, Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, March 31, 1999 at 13:37:32 (EST)

An arrow pierces the souls of those who rule, thru racism and deceit, heard the meek shall inherit the earth, so now it's the turf we the meek seek; they can never understand slave whips and chains can make a brown skin go insane, and yet they constantly ask us why we complain; they will never know that the negro is greater than they can ever be, our blood spilled on the land and our cries wash the waves of the sea; we are everywhere that's why we are defined so vague, or given a negative value, like the Blak of the plague in European land we traveled; we are strong and renewed wit true sense of strength and our words of power are constantly being decipher for it's own empowering content; they steal our tongues and encourage us hate our spiritual speech, that's because they know it's thru our thoughts they can make us weak. If you understand the symbolism, you understand the light and therefore you are dangerous....Danja Da Blak Man is all of you beautiful blak people.

Danja Da Blak Man a Moor <symbols kill those who hate us>
Age: 1555, Al' Andalus Alkebulan New Azania, +>- Republic of New Afrika - Tuesday, March 30, 1999 at 16:43:41 (EST)

I truly enjoy your page and I have done so for over a year and a half. Please e-mail me when you update to 1999!. Peace Ra's Spirit

A. Raheim <RasSpirit@aol.com>
Age: 47, Baltimore, MD USA - Monday, March 29, 1999 at 08:47:31 (EST)

typical negro nonsense.

youcab <youcab@farraCon.Con>
Age: 1999, USA - Sunday, March 28, 1999 at 23:56:26 (EST)

******PROPOSAL******* As we are gaining this information and knowledge, I believe we need to collect our Afrcan truth in a textbook format for the future generations. We need to start establishing more schools or if not we need to lobby African-centered history into the public schools. These books do not neccessary have to be made available to every student, but with students of African descent this should be mandatory. As well, we need to come out of the closet and anyone who can write needs to write. The only way we can offset the Eurocentric thought is to provide African centered paradigms. You must fight a system with a system. Also, Black nationalism needs to become more apparent and put into a proper perspective, not as a weapon of hate, but a pillar of Black liberation and redemption. BUT WE DO NEED TO WRITE BLACK HISTORY BOOKS. Europeans have been writing history books for years and mostly lies within them. LET US WRITE IT AS TRUTH.

RIGHTEOUS MIND <(uNiversalBLKthought)>
New Fienso, BLK New Afrika - Saturday, March 27, 1999 at 11:28:33 (EST)

******PROPOSAL*******

RIGHTEOUS MIND
USA - Saturday, March 27, 1999 at 11:18:46 (EST)

*L* DAVE SEEMS YOUR OUT NUMBERED

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, March 26, 1999 at 14:50:27 (EST)

Dave: Stop acting like you've never seen a person you would consider black (under different circumstances) with red hair and a hooked nose. What do you think - we're all stupid. Why do you access this site anyway? What we think doesn't even concern you unless you have some melanin.

Wisdom is Eternal
USA - Thursday, March 25, 1999 at 19:29:06 (EST)

In a previous post, I stated Homo erectus was before Homo habilis, this is untrue. H. habilis dates back to sometime around 2 million years ago, whereas, H. erectus is present at 1.5 million years ago. Another mistake I made was referring to the Khoikhoin of Southern Africa as the Hottentot, which is a degradatory Afrikaaner term. Please forgive my past mistakes as I will strive more efficiently to filter out these types of errors in future comments. Besides these errors, I still hold true to my hypothesis concerning the genetical and morphological relationship of the so-called "Capoid" people of Southern Africa and Mongoloid races of Asia. There is no denying the close affinity of these two groups. To further complicate the situation, there are various groups in the Oceania area that are to be taken into consideration as an African people, i.e. the extinct Tasmanian, Papuans of New Guinea, Semang of Malaysia, the Melanesians, the Micronesians, the Polynesians (especially the Maori who have a 50%+ of the African genotype cDe, which is comparable to Indians on the Northwest Pacific Coast of North America). In these groups of people are certain genotypical or phenotypical factors, which eludes to African affiliation, although they may vary in hair texture (type), skin color (although never white), cephalic index, and nasal bridge. Eventhough considering these differences, we must be cognizant that between Australian Aborgines, physical appearances range from dark skin, blond curly hair and concave nasal indexes to brown skin, woolly hair and convex nasal indexes, yet they all constitute a consistent genetic population. Therefore what this data alone, we can beyond a shadow of a doubt conclude that, although some Kamau, "Egyptians" differed from the stereotypical image of Black Africans that still can not be classified as any different, because if we can do this an Ibo of Nigeria is of a different race from the Zulu of Transvaal. We must understand that there will not be a total uniformity within any race, but if the essential morphological, genetical, and cultural (including linguistical) factors conform to a parent group, that a race is established. Europeans understand this, despite their worldly biases, that's why they go even further to divide race into geographical subraces, knowing that different areas of a continent will produce a specific characteristic, i.e. the long slender body build and darker complexion of the Nilotes of East Africa. To end this dicussion, we quote the racist Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, "In Libya, which is mostly desert and oasis, there is a visible Negroid element in the sedentary populations, and the same is true of the Fellahim of Egypt, whether Copt or Muslim. Osetological studies have shown that the Negroid element was stronger in predynastic times than at present, reflecting an early movement northward along the banks of the Nile, which were then heavily forested." I ask where did the ancient Kamau say their ancestors came from and in what direction did they move? And was Ethiopia or Egypt the first civilizing empire on the earth? Medase pii.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah, Ankobia Organization <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, March 24, 1999 at 13:17:41 (EST)

There is brewing outstanding evidence on the forefront. Will we take advantage of the info and discover our own truth as it relates to Afrikan and Black peoples the world over or will we allow mind colonizers to control the knowledge for their own manipulative designs. We as aware individuals must become the vanguard in defining the reality of our existence, if not we are destined for demise. To each and all Afrikan people gaining some insight into the historical suns of Afrikan people, I advise you to develop skills of propaganda and disseminate the word needed for the redemption of Afrikan people. Throughout the Western society, there is a school of mis-education, this mis-education affects both people of color and non-people of color. They are being miseducated in area of facts concerning history, archeology, anthropology, hematology, and others fields relevant to human development. This is to keep the mind state of individuals operating at a low degree of memeorized and rote learning intelligence. This why, dave can come on this website and speak his unsupported beliefs concerning Afrikans. Miseducation keeps whites ignorant of the truth and blacks in a persistent of inferiority. It this miseducation which maintains White Supremacy and its extending forms, i.e. racism, social and political inequality, unwise and unfair discrimination, cultural imperialism. We must not stand for this any longer, no we must fight the powers that be and diminsh the asili (cultural seed) of White Supremacy.

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Monday, March 22, 1999 at 20:39:20 (EST)

and Pharaoh. I see we are having a discussion on the ethnicity of Rameses II with our old friend Dave. Dave, good to see ya again, how's it been going. Rameses II can never be linked to any racial group outside of the indigenous Afrikan one, that one I may add is the so-called Negroid group. We can never classify one based upon actual and assumed phenotypical characteristics, this is anthropologically and genetically absurb. Dave, would say that Italians are no more Caucasiod European than someone from Finland or rather Iceland. Yes, we all have our typical well rather stereotypical interpretations for what each racial group's traits are, but when we are colored by the idea of White supremacy and white supremacist thought, our stereotypical conclusions are even more perverted to fit into the Eurocentric context, which denies any one outside of the European race the bulk of, if not, a minute contribution to civilization. Because of White supremacy we can not fathom the idea that each racial group origin inside of Africa via the Black race. Most times anthropology will profess an African origin of "humaniods", but stops short of saying Homo Sapien Sapien evolved only in Africa. Yes, anthropology teaches Homo erectus (who is even below Homo habilis) was an African creature, but he left Africa and colonize other parts of the world with his primitive socities which in turn gave birth to Homo habilis then Homo sapien (archaic). This is called the polycentric view of Human evolution, as oppose to the Eve hypothesis, which states "all" of humanity rose from Africa and the Black race. I have just exposed the White supremacy inside of today's modern and liberal interpretation of Human evolution. Recently, a scientific magazine reported after testing 63 different groups across the world, including 18 from Africa, that the African groups showed the greatest disparity in reasons to genetic pattern than any one else. What does this mean? It means that within the African continent you have various groups that can only be defined by their phenotype (and sometimes not that) than their actual genotype. It also means that the world populations, excluding the African, shows more genetic conformity to each other than than those on the African continent from one Black African to another Black African. Thus, we can include this evidence in the argument that Black African people are the originators of the HUE-MAN race. This new evidence smashes the notion of polycentric development, confirms the facts of African origin of humanity, as well, as the idea that different races sprung from certain African groups, i.e. Asian races have a link with San Bushman, Hottentot, and Twa pygmy (symmetry of the Y chromosomes are similiar, yellow complexion, height, blood grouping, Negritos of Philipines, and usual lack of epicantic fold), and it reinforces the ethncity of Egyptians, including Ramses II, with the indigenous African group. We must not let the usual classification of racialist anthropologists deceive us into believing false thoughts or we are destined to fall into an abyss of unscholarly, unscientific, and unlogical thought. Dave, do your research before spewing out your miseducation. Medase pii.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, March 21, 1999 at 14:52:19 (EST)

PEACE and LOVE to you Osei, and to all of our Brothers and Sisters in the struggle!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Friday, March 19, 1999 at 21:21:30 (EST)

RAMESES THE SECONG ACTUALLY WAS NEGRO AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT 1. DARREL FITZGERALD HAS A NOSE THAT IS HOOKED AND HAS RED HAIR BUT HE'S A NEGRO AS MUCH AS I AM 2 CHEIK DI ANTHOP TOOK AS TELECASTED MELANIN TEST ON RAMSES THE SECONDS MUMMY A PROJECT THE ARAB-EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT SO LONG WANTED TO DEMOLISH BU HEY THE TRUTH COMES OUT SOMETIME WE IN SAYING THE TEST WAS IN PUT AND THE RESULTS CAME BACK AND IT EXPLAINED THAT RAMESES HAD A TINT DARK BROWN COMPLEXTION FOUND AMOUNGST MANY NEGROES IN AFRICA AND AMERICA, IT WAS PROVED HE WAS AFRICAN AND ONE OF THE TALLEST AFRICAN THE MELANIN TEST RESULTS WERE EXACT AND IT PROVED RAMSES WAS NEGRO, AFRICAN, AND IF HE WERE ALIVE IN THE U.S TODAY MOST WHITE SCHOLARS WOULD CALL HIM A LIAR IF HE EXPLAINED HIS IDENTITY. 3. THE RED HAIR MATTER IS USELESS, ANTHOP STATED IT WAS CLEARLY DUE TO THE MANY TEST TAKEN ON HIM THAT THE EX-RAY CIRCULAR HAD COLORED HIS HAIR A REDDISH TONEFROM THE ORIGINAL BROWN 4. IF YOU DID YOUR HOME WORK IN ANCIENT EGYPT IT WAS A MERE CURSE FROM THE god PTAH OF MEMPHIS TO BE A BREED OF RED HAIRED MEN IN OTHER WORDS ITS MOST IN SAYING THE EGYPTIANS WERENT WHITE THEY DIDNT COLOR THEMSELVES WHITE THEY DIDNT WANT TO BE WHITE THEY KEPT THERE LAND SECURED FROM WHITE AND ASIACTIC THAT MEANS YOU TOO ARABS FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MESSED OVER THE CULTURE AND DESIGNATED IT AS A LIE RAMSES THE SECOND WAS CROWNED PHARAOH A NEGRO AND DIED A NEGRO...

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, March 19, 1999 at 15:58:17 (EST)

Take a look at the mummy of Ramesses II and tell me it not straight red hair.Ramesses had a hooked nose and red hair and still expect people to believe he was black.Your in denial!

Dave
USA - Friday, March 19, 1999 at 04:01:40 (EST)

Bro. Jawanza, I didn't mean to come across as attacking you or anything like that. We both agree on the same things and it is my hand I tilt to you. I understand now and in depth. I wish you peace and strength in the struggle. Odabo.

Osei
USA - Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 21:51:39 (EST)

I'm not really talking about religion, but more of words, language, and expression. The word god is, according to the quote I posted recently, of pagan European origin. Also, Africa, and African worship of Elohim, preceded the Slave trade by far. By at least 5000 years. Adam, and Eve worshipped The Creator, of Whom I refer to as Yahweh Elohim. The African Hebrew Israelites worshipped Yahweh Elohim as well. Remember, in the beginning all humans were African. Again I am saying that, in our Slave and colonial tongue (English) the word god as coined by the Europeans was coined to identify their pagan object of worship. It had no reference to the Creator of the Universe. We must call out to our Master in Faith. No matter your name for Him, if He created the Universe, His Divine Laws, and Principles are constant. He is about Love, and Life!!! He knows who means to call Him. So Africans call That Sweet Name!!! Call out to Him in Faith! NOMMO!!!

Jawanza
- Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 19:56:28 (EST)

THE SAME REASON DARRELL FITZGERALD HAS RED HAIR BUT HE'S NEGRO

CHARLES COLBERT
USA - Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 15:19:46 (EST)

Bro. Jawanza, your words are understood, but I believe its sad that, whether we choose to accept West Afrikan religions or not, we are often deterred from recognizing West Afrikan spiritual traditions' validity because of our indoctrination to a so-called "monothesistic" European ideology. Within the framework of European cultural imperialism in the form of Christianity, any opposing religious thought is considered backwards and unenlightened to the "word" of GOD-So Dayi. I believe it is imperative to understand the ancestral rituals and the principle behind those as comprehensively as we do the Judeo-Christian format. Oftimes, you will have Afrikan conscious individuals debasing Afrikan traditions such as Vodou as idol worship. This implication hints to a severe and perverted misunderstanding of Afrika and her people. How can one be conscious? We have been able to shake off apprehensiveness of taking Afrikan names, eating Afrikan food, wearing Afrikan clothes, speaking Afrikan languages, but we have yet to come to grips with Afrika in terms of religious traditions outside of the Afrikan religious traditions exposed to us through our enslavement. One can not be totally free, until one decolonizes the mind and break all chains of Western ideological enslavement. I agree various call Onyame different names, but can we also say that Odin (Norse chief god) or Ahurda-Madza (Aryno-Iranian Godhead) are the same as Manu-Lisa or Elohim?

Osei
USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 21:51:40 (EST)

I believe that there was a curse of Canaan and Canaan was the Youngest son of Noah concieived after the flood. But Canaan was also the name of the grandson also so there was two a youngest son and an grndson. shem Japheth and Ham and the Grandson of Ham were black but the youngest son dispced the hamitc canaanites and spread all over the world and thus are known today as the white man. That is why they are so adamant for us to be known as inferior they were the ones without noah's blessing. Do not believe their interpretations and lies. What is their true biblical reason for hating us. GOd says nothing against the black race, so what is their satanic excuse what are they hiding. If anything blacks have always been amongst the most moralistic people of ancient, past, present and of course future times. WHo is so eager to point up crime. WHile crime in the streets is so easily visible. It is the hidden crimes and cults and occults, child sex abuse and witch craft and govenmental secret scandals and new age religoions that belong and were founded here in America. They are the Jews and our enemies why do you think the Arian blue eyed blondes hate jews so. WHy do you think that they hate the blacks so. Canaan was to be a slave to his brothers SHem, ham and Japheth. THey had wiped out the paleolithic Canaanites who were canaanites and set up their systems of Idolotry. what is the basis of their hatred. THey know who they are. who has written so many books on black inferiority. One might say what of the racial epithets in the Torah and by Moslems they had been brainwashed by contact by the evil white canaanites. Look under the sites for canaan here on the net notice they name a lot of their resorts canaan. I wonder why it a true admission of who they are. THey hate us the african americans because we observed and witnessed their ancestor canaan taking liberalities on Noah. God does not lie it was the youngest son Noah. If it was Ham's son it would have said he cursed Ham's son. But the Word says it he knew what his youngest son did to him.

Darlene Colbert <none>
Age: 28, clinton, md USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 19:56:53 (EST)

What I'm saying is...this thing is real deep. This mentacide, mis-information, imperialism, and systemic tainting of our expression, goes real deep. It even tries to attack The Divine Laws and Principles. Even to the extent of our Spiritual expression, where an African in when calling, or making reference to his Creator, can end up using a term that was used by Europeans addressing their pagan object. What Mr. Merrill is saying is that, the very term, or title, or word god, was coined for pagan use, by these Europeans for their use in pagan worship. I don't think Elohim holds this against us today. Especially as some unknowingly use this title (god) in reference Him, The Creator. " He winks at us in our ignorance." I believe that no matter what name we choose to call The Creator (as we do so in spirit, and in truth, and out of love, and respect for Him), He accepts. He accepts our call, as we call out to Him in Faith. HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 17:06:18 (EST)

If all the ancient egptians were black why does the mummy of Ramesses II have red hair? If you dont believe me you can cheak it out for yourself.

Dave
USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 15:53:01 (EST)

Not to offend anyone, but you did know the religions within the Judeo-Christian paradigm are not the only teachings to come forth out of Africa? Yes it is fine and dandy we know the Hebraic name for GOD, but what about the Akan or Yoruba Personal names for the Godhead? Are we forsaking our ancestors by calling on an external, not the internal, teachings of religion of our slave masters? I encourage you all to read Marimba Ani's Yurugu and thoroughly analyze her thesis comparing or actually the utilization of Christianity to further European cultural imperialism and expansion. Let's also note that Christianity and Judaism are patriarchal in hierarchy which is the anti-thesis to our West Afrikan traditions. Many West Afrikan traditions profess hardly the patriarchial rigidness the Judeo-Christian religions do. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Christianity and Judaism didn't start in Africa, but the present day forms are greatly perverted from the original teachings. As a matter of fact, many of the old beliefs would be deemed heretical and paganistic by today's standards, which is essentially Greek, Roman Catholic and Anglican Protestant inspired. Some of these beliefs are the matriarchial ascension, presence of the Goddess in the configuration of the Godhead, the concept of the angels (deities), idea that Yashua represented a spiritually evolved being no more divine in essence than any other individual born of a woman (he was an initiate in the Kemetic High Culture and Science school of Learning-"Mystery school"), the knowledge of Yashua being a Savior to the Nation by being a husband and a father. But my brothers and sistas do not forsake your ancestors' spiritual traditions for one introduced to you by your oppressor. To do so is to attest to the level of Afrikan consciousness you have actually attained. Don't be a victim of Black spiritual inferiority, where you really believe the Western Hollywoodian Christian fundamental propaganda that Afrikan traditions like Vodou, Kongo, Ifa, Palo and others are nothing but childish nonsense and devil worship. If you buy into this reality than you are no more than a causality of White Supremacy and Afrikan Inferiority. The only difference is you just colored White supremacy and its doctrine Black and ascribed it an "Egyptian" origin. Medase.

Osei
USA - Tuesday, March 16, 1999 at 21:50:54 (EST)

Brothers and Sisters check this quote from Richard Merrill. He is referring to the use of the name God. Take note that the original Hebrews were African, African Hebrew Israelites. "That word and its near pronunciations were used by ancient tribes of Europe to refer to an object of pagan worship before the introduction of Christianity. Earlier editions of Webster's dictionary say "god" had no relationship to good. Elohim is the Hebrew reference to the Creator. Yahweh is His distinguishing personal name. This ancient Afro/Asiatic pronunciation is gaining universal acceptance rather than Jehovah, an improper European form that bagan in the late middle ages."

Jawanza
- Monday, March 15, 1999 at 13:30:50 (EST)

To Tha Bang: I have heard other people came up with the same notion, could there possibly be some truth to this? I think you should look more into this extraterresial theory and drain as much as possible out of it you can. This could be some radical news, indeed controversial. If you can began to pinpoint some real variables you may have a solid case, as solid as the notion of Afrikan inferiority. As you know, they are constantly writing books about ET contacts and 1st encounters. Some people have even went as far as to divide the different human subspecies (strains) to various cosmological bodies as a point of origin, for example: Pleidians from Pleidias, Sirians from Sirius, and the like. Could this have some relevance? Again Tha Bang look into this, you could have a mind shocker. Good Luck and Hotep.

Conspiracy Theorist <UPinSMOKE@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, March 15, 1999 at 12:04:17 (EST)

people i submit this theory to you; that white people have an extra terrestrial origin,ie. they are aliens. consider their features; small slits for lips, pale skin that cannot tolerate the sun on this earth, their peristent bid to blast off to the stars, and the fact that ufo encounters only happen to them. you notice that they are unable to relate to GOD and nature and it is their subconcious urge to go back home? wherever that is. well its just something i've been thinking about and thought you might like to know...thank GOD for technology, huh? if egypt has always been what it is today, racially, what happened to the religion? why is it that a people with such a highly developed sense of the stars and the GODS and the afterlife can just one day give it up for, of all things, islam or christianity? these religions cannot begin to understand GOD, espicially the christians. note that i'm referring to GOD not jesus or mohamed. what happened to all the knowledge that is supposed to have gone up in flames at alexandria? what happened to your way of life egyptians? you did not have the whites on your case like we did (by the way i'm black) for so long, and you know that you can't have any genuises for nation-building when constantly being chased from one place to the next and being shot at and being enslaved, etc. so tell me what happened??? ancient egyptians learnt the art of magic, what is commonly referred to now as black magic, in the mystery system. now where on this earth do you see black magic besides in africa? since egypt is not part of africa these days. i think that its important to step away from the intellectual and academic bullshit and, for a second, look at logic and common sense if we are to move forward in this argument. common sense is the only way we will understand the facts. egypt will always remain a mystery until we fit the missing piece of the puzzle in; BLACK. people lets have the courage to accept facts the way they are, black and "olive" skinned egyptians. otherwise we will not go anywhere. (by the way i thought olives were either black or green and,correct me if i'm wrong, there are no green people, except for the incredible hulk...i guess that would explain how stone blocks too heavy for any modern machine would be used to build pyramids (but the hulk is too dumb to build anything which, therefore kills the green people theory). this is just something i've been thinking about for everyones consideration...i don't know i could be talking rubbish...maybe?

thabang <thabang@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, USA - Sunday, March 14, 1999 at 18:08:26 (EST)

To "Q": Yes, a few Afrikans are living in slum conditions the world over, but let's take into account the fact that Europeans have effectively exploited and downgraded these people. Once you are deprived of any thread of prosperity, you will exhibit various degrees of poverty, whether this be in economic, cultural, historical or psychological terms. I use the example of the monkey deprived of all social interaction, you know the imfamous study. This experimental simian was unconfident with his new surroundings and displayed anti-social behavior when brought around his ancestral primate society. If any thing, black people's problems are not innately their own creation. Yes, I will admit sometimes we perpetuate the ills affecting us but that's because our level of self-determination and will has been stunted by a systematically oppressive machine known as imperialism, laisse faire and colonialism. Revealing the true historical background of Afrikans and their descendants is highly relevant to the idea of Afrikan redemption and nation building. One can never know the future outcome without understanding the past teachings and applying them responsibly. Once the truth of Afrika and Afrikans is accepted as gospel in the minds of unconscious people, you will notice a renaissance in the Black community pressed upon by a reawakening of vanguard thought processes. Another twist to the present economic conditions of 'ghetto' folks is the 250 some years of free labor given by their ancestors for the enrichment of the now wealthy slavers and slavers children. There can be no argument for the equality and fairness of advancement in the world because Afrikans were never given that chance in a reasonably manner, besides the now wealthy populous is eternally indebted to the lowly and despised inhabitants of the world for their astronomical fiscal gains. The only way Afrikans can be given a fair playing ground is if the descendants of Afrikan prisoners are reimbursed for the toil their ancestors contributed the universal standard of living, this means reparations. This is the only way to establish an even start. Again, to know one's past is to empower one for the struggles of the next age and to arm one with a sense of identity and strength is to prepare one for greatness. Side note: Kmt was a creation of the Ethiopian Empire, so to speak of Kmt one would have to give reverance to the ancient Kushites, the founders of the first social organized civilization. Thank you for reading my humble thoughts.

Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh....Ankobia Organization
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 19:12:42 (EST)

Even if the ancient Egyptians were black what use will it do you youll still be stuck in the ghetto and by gerrymandering around alot of historical facts is going to alienate black people all over the from the society they are living in.

"Q"
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 09:56:24 (EST)

I enjoyed your website and I myself t this tim is resarching for a book that I am writing.It is dealing with Ancient Africa and Freemasonry.I was hoping that I could retrieve some thoughts on this subject and informaton that will assist me in this important task that I have taken upon myself.I also welcome you to my website.

Burrell McKelphin <her-em-ahket@WEBTV.net>
Age: 28, Buffalo, ny USA - Monday, March 08, 1999 at 11:51:23 (EST)

Burrell McKelphin <her-em-ahket@WEBTV.net>
Age: 28, Buffalo, ny USA - Monday, March 08, 1999 at 11:24:35 (EST)

HE'S RIGHT PEOPLE WE HAVE TO GET UP AND TAKE THIS WORLD BACK AND SUPPLY IT UNDER OUR FIST WE HAVE TO BELIVE THAT JESUS IS GOD AN AS WE HIS SERVENTS WILL RETURN UNTO US OUR WORLD AND OUR HISTORY FOR LONG HAS THE WHITE,SEMITE,CAUCASION.ETC. OPPRESSED US OF OUR NATURAL HISTORY AND IT STARTS WITH GRIPPING EGYPT FROM OUT OF THE MEDITERANEAN AND CLINCH IT BACK TO THE AFRICAN NILE VALLEY THE BOSSOM OF OUR NUBIAN ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED TO EGYPT TO BECOME THE ANCIENTS OF THE PAST WE ARE OUR PHARAOHS OVERSEERS HIGH PRIEST QUEENS CANDICES PRINCES PRINCESSES WE BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND THEY WERE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT NUBIANS THE EGYPTIANS REARED THE NUBIANS AS LIKE "gods" IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUE MEANING OF THE WORD OR TITLE "PHARAOH" IT MEANS "vizier to the king of kush" FOR BEFORE EGYPT THE THATS WHAT THE TITLE PHARAOH MEANT THUS THE"PHAROAH" MIGRATED WITH FELLOW KUSHITES AND ORIGINATED EGYPT THUS "PHAROAH" THE VIZIER OR SON OF THE KING OF KUSH BECAME THE LAND LEADER AND CALLED THE LAND "KEMET" WHICH MEANS "LAND OF BLACK MEN, OR THE LAND IN WHICH MAN HAST BECOME ONE WITH RA AND HIS DARK SKIN IS LIKE WISE" THUS AS TIME EVOLED THE KEMETIANS BECAME GREATER THAN ITS PREDESSESORS AN THUS VERIOUS WARS BECAME ,,IN WORD WHEN IT IS METIONED "THE TWO LAND" TO OF THE ANCIENTS IT IS TO MEAN "THE TWO LANDS EGYPT AND KUSH" ON HERE I HEARD A CAUCASIAN MAN FOR HE IS COME LIKE US HE REVEALED AN IMPORTANT ISSUE CONCERNING EGYPT SE SAYS:in greek the word EGYPT by the ancient greeks is meant black for it was KEMET first then EGYPT was used to depict the land" AND WHY CALL HERADOTUS A LIAR WHEN HE SAID" THE EGYPTIANS WERE DARK SKINNED AND WHOLLY HAIRED....

PHARAOH
USA - Saturday, March 06, 1999 at 09:38:41 (EST)

The Racist kill the truth just like they killed Jesus and we all know he was Black.The Bible says that He is the Bright Morning Star"Or Lucifer" With a Rod and Staff in hands,the symbols of the Pharoahs So we the Blacks are the Beginning and End of all things Alpha and Omega Wake up Black people the Bible is Our story. We are the seed of Kings you can debate all you want the first people created where Black so we are all people no matter what race. We are the G.O.DS Gomar. Oz. Dabar Beauty, Wisdom, and Strenth. All this time from 1600 to 2000 = 400yrs of slavery in a New Egypt called Amerika Thats why all Our symbols are on the back of the dollar bill. The Racist took Our own knowlege and used it against us. But there time is up. They lie because if WE find out that like Jesus that WE were meant to be Pharoahs like He was then the White rule would end and the ROD and Staff would be put back in the hands of its rightful owners . BLACK PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! The Bible promised that The Ethopians(Black people)would always have a flesh and blood King or Pharoah on Glory Seat forever and ever, so that when one Kings time was over another one would take his place for all time for as long as the Sun shall rise and set We have been here from the Begining. We are the First that were made Last and the Last that will be First again. We are the Heroes of old The Nephilm but we are not evil. Thats another lie. And thats why they hate us. Brother and Sistahs wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!from njudah I bid you Hotep....

nathaniel <njudah@home.com>
- Friday, March 05, 1999 at 20:02:52 (EST)

hey can i be in it i want to act when will the next clegg production be in service?

james thompson <pharoah52@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, March 05, 1999 at 15:47:38 (EST)

To The Avalon Man The "Daughters of Isis" is currently still in production. We hope to complete it this year. The throne-scene that you mentioned is to be a part of The Daughters of Isis. Thank you for your interest in The Clegg Series. As soon as production is complete, we shall contact you. Legrand H. Clegg II

helen
USA - Thursday, March 04, 1999 at 21:21:20 (EST)

The latest issue of MA'AT on Black Madonnas in Europe is "must reading." Keep it coming!

Rodney Jordan <raj@melanet.com>
USA - Thursday, March 04, 1999 at 13:08:18 (EST)

To those of you who are still divided on what constitutes true black or African facial characteristics (debating on broad noses, wooly hair etc.), please be aware that current developments in genetics have determined that all men & women share a common African ancestor, a black woman gave birth to all the races of the world. In Africa, you can find many variations on the universal theme. Don't look in one part of Africa and hold up one phenotype to represent the whole. It is remarkable that most of you who keep debating on facial characteristics have conveniently forgotten that if you take a look around Africa or Black America - that you find all kinds of faces...black faces...brown faces...yellow..and even white amongst them. It seems that when in discussion of Egypt and the human imagery from these peoples you mistake thin noses and various hair textures as an indication of Caucausoid. But in America where you see black people who look like this every day, you have no problem with identifying them as black. You're all hypocrites. I despise hypocrites and lies. Dividing mankind into certain groups based on facial characterisitics is stupid because all of you come from us whether you like it or not. Take any racial type from anywhere on the planet, say a chinese, and I gurantee you can find the exact replica in Africa, only with more melanin. Take a German, darken the skin, darken the hair, you will find an African that looks just like him. We of Africa are the many parts that represent the whole of humanity. There is no denying or getting away from origin - no matter what lies you perpetuate. My brothers and sisters keep truth alive.

Truth
Age: ?, USA - Sunday, February 28, 1999 at 14:10:49 (EST)

I heard some one speak of Nubia as the elder of Egypt. I want to say I agree and we don't focus on this fact. It was in this area where the foundations of Egypt were laid. The Nubia/Ethiopia area, may the Creator bless. Uhuru Sasa, Zimbabwe revisited. We africans created the civilized world. And we were and still are BLACK.

ZIMBABWE REVISITED
USA - Saturday, February 27, 1999 at 17:17:58 (EST)

TIME SHALL FORWARD ITS OWN PURPOSE

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, February 27, 1999 at 16:13:35 (EST)

of the Western Semitic languages, which are three Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic. Therefore using this Aramaic is the root language. I have a question is Ethiopic semitic enuff to you, Semitic writers?

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 17:01:51 (EST)

Although, I'm not a professor or the like, please excuse my grammatical errors that might slightly distort my message. Semitic is not spelled Semetic, excuse me for that. Also, I meant to say we need to focus on the anteriority of Nubia in comparison to Kmt. I feel if we do these people would not invade this message area and spew their opinions of white supremacy, because they can not disprove Nubia's connection to Africoid people. A question why when refering to Enia Dudu (Black peoples) some people continually used the mythical term "Negroid", Europeans are "Caucasoid" (Caucasus Mountains), Asians are "Mongoloid" (Mongolia) but we are "Negroids" like Malcolm said, "Where is Negro-land?" To use this word speaks the colonized mind state of the users with the framework of White Supremacy. Also, the indigeous inhabitants of the Pacific islands are called "Negritos or the Pacific Branch of the Negroid peoples". We are not "Negroids" or "Negroes" (read in Necro-dead, or "knee-gro"). This was a public announcement! Herodotus was right about the Eastern Ethiopian and the Western Ethiopian, the Western Ethiopian are the African and Arabian blacks and the Eastern Ethiopian comprise of the Dravidians, Melansians (Melanin people of New Guinea (New land of Blacks), Micronesians, Polynesians, Australian Aborgines, Andamanese. We as the Enia Dudu or Majority people are vast and not confined to the political or today's Africa. Respect.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 16:54:11 (EST)

For those who continue to insist Egypt is a Semetic language, I would refer you to Theophile Obenga's research on the genetic and linguistic connections of Kmt's tongue and the Semetic group. Also, many come to this conclusion of a Semetic origin based upon data recorded by turn-of the century German linguists, who themselves never placed the language of Kemet in the Semetic group. These individuals, themselves, felt Kmt was more appropriate in the Hamitic group of the Hamito-Semetic (Afro-Asiastic) language marco-phylum. Theophile Obenga, who is an accomplished linguist, compares not the lack of vowels in the Hamito-Semitic group, but the lack of consistency of these groups. For one in Hebrew peace is shalom, Arabic peace is salaam, Aramaic sm, but in constrast to these typical semetic languages peace is hetep, or htp if you will, in the Kmt tongue. Dr. Obenga, also, compares Kmt's word structures to African languages today, where you can find many forms of sun, ra, in Africa like ra, re', ru', which all mean sun in other parts of Africa. To focus on the lack of vowels is ultimately absurb in studying language affiliation. If we were to used this concept as a frame of reference, we could conclude African languages are closely associated to Indo-European. Now days, hebrew and arabic make use of vowels, are they not semetic? When applying this we have forgot, why did the German linguists place the Chadic (Black African, ex. Hausa-speaking people) group within the Hamitic language phylum and as a part of the Hamito-Semetic macro-phylum. Jumping to another issue, many want to attack so bad that their facts are misconstrued and their intrepretion of our peoples' messages are disctorted. No one said Kmt was separated from the political imaginary Middle East (read in North east Alkebulan), the brother Jwanzaa stated the Middle East is Africa. Some one, clearly with malice in their heart, misintrepreted his statement and persisted to bash, but only in essence, made their smart-alec remarks testify their lack of comprehesion. To Extreme, I whole-heartedly agree with you about Nubia, the region which started this whole thing. Many things we do not focus on other parts of Africa which can offer us as much bliss as Kmt and can also provide answer to the historical/intellectual problems concerning Kmt. If we understood Nubia more effectively, none of these "unbiased" skeptics would infest this site proving a non-Black or as these enlighten beings say "Negro" origin of civilization. We must continually stock up our arsenal and think with our ancestors' minds. Medase.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 16:34:48 (EST)

ITS OBVIOUS THE SEMETICS GOT THERE LANGUAGE FROM THE EGYPTIANS AND THE EGYPTIANS FROM THE KUSHITES IM MEAN LIKE IM NOT GOING TO ARGUE BUT HOW CAN YOU CALL HERADOTUS A LIAR WHEN HE EYEWITNESSED AND SAID (NOW THIS IS A MAN THAT SAW THE TRUE EGYPTIANS BEFORE THE ARAB FOREIGNERS ENTERED) OUR FRIEND HERODOTUS SAYS "the egyptians bore black skins and wholly ethiopian hair" WHAT MORE IS TO DISCUSS THE EGYPTIANS WERE NEGROES THEY COLORED THEMSELEVS THE COLOR AS MODERN AFRICAN AMERICAN A BROWN SKIN NOT BLACK , IM BROWN NOT BLACK BUT IM STILL OF NEGRO DECENT IF THEY WERE WHITE OR SEMETIC THEY WOULD HAVE COLORED THEM SELVES WHITE OR WHITE-ISH YELLOW, MY SISTERS HIGH YELLOW BUT SHE'S STILL NEGRO (OF BLACK DECENT) ONLY PROOVES THEY'RE OF AFRICAN DECENT ALL AROUND I MEAN YOU OPPOSERS GIVE NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER ALL YOU SAY IS THE SEMETIC LANGUAGE WELL HELL THE NUBIANS INVENTED THE SCRIPT OF LANGUAGES PASSED IT TO THE EGYPTIANS THE EGYPTIANS TAUGHT THE GREEKS AND HEBREWS THE WAY OF PENDENSHIP HEY DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE!

PHARAOH(THE EGYPTIAN-KUSHITE SOLDIER)
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:47:08 (EST)

egypt was nemed Kemit. Kemit is spelled KMT. the reason being that in one of the most defining characteristic of semetic languages is the usual omited vowel sounds in words.egypt was called black land, red land. black for the rich nile silt that gave life to the desert country, and red for the western desert that displays is ruddy color from the sun because these sand helped protect egypt from mobilizing armies in those times. feminine egyptian words were also spelled ending with the letter"t" as with other semetic languages. Also Egyptian is written right to left, a charcteristic of semetic languages. many words are similar and the sentance structure is probably closer to Hebrew or Assyrian than to any other language in the world. However Egypt carries unique characteristcs that seperate itself from any Semetic or black African language. Also some suggest influence from nubian language which ancient egypt has been in contact with. egyptian stands closer to semetic sounds also, the "kha" "qaff" and "a'yin" sounds are only found in semetic languages as well as egyptian. egypt is also geographically situated next to Judia/Israel/Palestine. The egyptian empire also extended to this region as well as far south as nubia. egypt is by ethnicity and linguistics more semetic in nature than to any other group.

egypt mostly semetic
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:12:03 (EST)

egypt was nemed Kemit. Kemit is spelled KMT. the reason being that in one of the most defining characteristic of semetic languages is the usual omited vowel sounds in words. feminine egyptian words were also spelled ending with the letter"t" as with other semetic languages. Also Egyptian is written right to left, a charcteristic of semetic languages. many words are similar and the sentance structure is probably closer to Hebrew or Assyrian than to any other language in the world. However Egypt carries unique characteristcs that seperate itself from any Semetic or black African language. Also some suggest influence from nubian language which ancient egypt has been in contact with. egyptian stands closer to semetic sounds also, the "kha" "qaff" and "a'yin" sounds are only found in semetic languages as well as egyptian. egypt is also geographically situated next to Judia/Israel/Palestine. The egyptian empire also extended to this region as well as far south as nubia. egypt is by ethnicity and linguistics more semetic in nature than to any other group.

egypt mostly semetic
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:09:09 (EST)

to the person that thinks egypt was landlocked: that is a lie easely repulsed. #1 egypt has something called the sinai pennensula, which is directly land linked with asia. #2 peoples including the hebrews crossed it, read your bible. #3 egypt is not locked away from asia and europe. conquring peoples have mobiled armies to egypt from the mediterrianian and red seas and also from sinai many times. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

egypt not secluded from asia
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 14:57:14 (EST)

damn this site is extremist, this site has the nerve to diss nubia and claim egypt. 2 steps back, no steps ahead.

extreme
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 14:51:19 (EST)

I need help. Two questions. 1. When you what the Real Video preview for the clegg series, there's a scene in a throne room, where a pharoah and his queen are sitting on their thrones and they're discussing something. What video is this from?? It can't be from 'When Black Men ruled the world'. 2. 'Daughters of Isis' is supposed to be the next video, correct? What's going on with it. Is it still in production? I'd like to order it. Could someone email me with answers?? I'd appreciate it. Thanks. The Avalon Man

The Avalon Man <christian_exodus@hotmail.com>
Age: 21, USA - Thursday, February 25, 1999 at 20:03:55 (EST)

Thanks to my sister(Kimberly Morrison)for steering me to this wealth of knowlege web page. Questions: What evidences are there of the "Lost Civilizations of the Black Race" during the Greek and Asiatic Periods? Thanks for the Sitemaster. I find the participants pro or con are very passionate, but let there be the untold truth, as the survivorty. Because only then, will there be to have all civilization's history in course forever more. Thanks, Robert D. Tatum, Jr.

Robert D. Tatum, Jr. <rtatum@aol.com>
Age: 49, Aurora,, Co USA - Wednesday, February 24, 1999 at 19:03:26 (EST)

No one here has said a racist or derogatory word about white people. Those who came this site to be racist are racist, themselves, for pre-judging an intellectual discovery and insinuating because we assert the Kamau to be black, we are down-grading others. For the african, I know many African people, who tell me that there traditions recall migrations for Upper Kemet. No, it is not feasible for an Ugandan to proclaim his or her Kemetic heritage, just like a French or German claiming their Frank or Visigoth ancestry. I believe those who come on this site and scream, "bloody murder", should evaluate the mentacide they persist to harbour and disseminate. Also, if you believe we are producing falsehoods, why don't you debate your conclusions in a orderly way, instead of immaturely and prejudicely blurting out. I've notice you guys have false covers and you afraid to identify yourselves, its not like we will stalk you. I ask, are the supremacist "humanitarians" cowards? Are you guys cowards? Let's dialogue. E-mail me and let's talk about it.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 17:41:18 (EST)

Jambo to my Brothers and Sisters! Egypt/Mizraim is a son of Ham. The "middle-east" is really Northeast Africa. Before the Suez canal was built(1859-1869), Western Asia was land-locked to the Continent of Africa. In ancient times Northeast Africa was totally populated and governed by Black African People. "Black Afrcans not only possessed the continent of Africa, but their dominion extended into Western Asia and beyond."-Kwame. It's BIBLICAL, SCIENTIFIC HISTORICAL, and LOGICAL! Just ask yourself what the original identity of man/woman was? I think we found that we were all Black from Africa Eden. Also there are Black People that speak Semetic languages. Finally, read Herodotus, Josephus, Tacitus, and Grayzel. HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 16:34:58 (EST)

THIS SITE IS EXTEMIST AND RACIST. this site denies the fact egypt was and still is a diverse country. this site denies that egypt is located at the extreme desert north-east corner of africa rather than the heart. this site denies the fact that egyptians spoke a language very close to semetic languages. this site fails to notice there are many paintings that show the nubians were very different from the egyptians. this site fails to recognise the fact that egyptians today still practice many traditions and especially holidays that date back to their forefathers of the ancient egyptians. this site is one sided and myopic, failing to get the whole picture. this site is an attempt to claim a land that only the people who live there have a right to. this site is a step backwards, not a step foreward. this site mixes truth and lies and presents it in a way that is beleiveable. this site won't be accepted and idiology will remain in always be doubted by blanced intellectuals. this site is racist and God curses the bigot whether he is white, black, asian, or whatever.

this site is not a friend of rational
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:30:12 (EST)

it saddens me that race is such a big deal here in the USA. this site, its propaganda, disinformation and ONE SIDEDEDNESS PROOVES MY POINT. all people want to do it attempt to proove egypt was a black country and that evil white devils and arabs came and took it away from them. wrong, wrong and wrong. i am not white but i know racism and this site and idiology is racism. you will have to kill 65 million egyptians to take their heritage away from them. this site is EXTREMIST AND RACIST.

this site is extremist
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:21:03 (EST)

to call ancient egypt a exclusively black society is a serious accusation. an accusation that is not true and can be prooven otherwise.PLEASE READ THIS... nubian or true black influence obviously penetrated egyptian society when the egyptians expanded their empire, and the nubians learned from the egyptians. the vast majority of egyptians had brown, olive and yellow skins. never once with the pitch black skins of the nubians and kush. egyptians possessed pointed noses, not the flat broad noses of the black africans. hair type was fine to curly, not the coarse, kinky hair of the black africans. some mixing of course occured. but not to the extent every egyptian was black. the egytians did in fact speak a language closely knit to Semetic language; by structure, word pronouncation, and grammer. black african word worked its way into the language, but was not as near as great as egypt's true semetic roots. egyptian however is a language that has its own charateristics different from semetic or any black african language. egypt is also located in the EXTREME north east of africa, located in the largest desestin the world, far away from the rest of africa. its no wonder, though techically wrong in statement, that the world scholoars would consider it middle eastern. furthermore, we are not calling ourselves arabs. when we say "arab" we denote the people of saudi arabia. some of their decendants settled in egypt, but so what? why is that a problem? there wasn't any pilaging and raping and forced to convert to any religion or change our language. it was by our own merit. the false, racist claims against these foreigners have no basis or proove. it is down right lies to inspire hatred towards them. but egypt is not a white washed country as many would like to beleive. if you think i am lieing, please go to egypt and see how much the vast majority of people their (especially farmers) resemble those people of wall paintings. go. instead of screaming and getting all gitty, go there. go there and see the statues of the ancient egyptians in tahrir cairo museam. there you will see the pointed noses of the pharoahs, the bronze and yellow skins of the people and the thin and medium lips. go to nubia museam in the far south( i think it is open) and see the difference. go, see, experience and then write on this board.

balanced information is priority
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:14:19 (EST)

it is just as well, this site is extremist black propaganda. egypt as we know it was never a pure black civilization. the idiots on this site want to steal a hertitage that belongs only to egyptians. egyptians, ancient and modern are and were diverse. to claim egypt as a black as uganda is ABSURD, down right silly and a fantasy preached as fact by a small insignificant population of the human race. you won't find ethiopians saying they are egyptian, you won't find ugandans either. some afro americans, decendants of slaves from west africa, think they are egyptian which anyone in the world will laugh at, including black africans and modern egyptians. for shame!

african
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 12:53:37 (EST)

african
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 12:53:25 (EST)

Shalom Aleikum! There are Blacks that speak, and spoke Hamitic and Semitic languages...check out the Canaanim/Phoenicians. Also... "LISTEN" to what some leading historians said: Herodotus, a greek historian, called by some "The father of historians", b.484?-d.425? B.C. said that, "The Egyptians, as well as the Ethiopians, had woolly hair, thick lips, and burnt skin." Josephus a "Jewish" historian, b.37-d.100? A.D., stated that "Yahshua was a dark skinned man". Tacitus, a Roman historian, b.55?-d.117? A.D., said that "Many believe the Jews descended from the Ethiopians". Grayzel, a 9th cent. A.D. "Jewish" historian, documented the account of Eldad, an Ethiopian "Jew" or African Hebrew Israelite. HOTEP!!! Jawanza.

Jawanza
- Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 01:41:56 (EST)

IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES TO KNOW THAT MY BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN AMERICA, THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, ARE EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT HERE. WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THOSE OLD PEOPLE ARE BEING PERSECUTED AND BANISED BECAUSE WE ARE BLACK. THEY HAVE TRIED TO STRIFLE OUR SCREAMS AND CRIES. MY FAMILY HAS LEFT FOR LIBYA, LOOKING FOR COMFORT. I HAVE READ YOUR WORDS FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS AND I LOVE TO HEAR THOSE BLACK TALKING THIS. I WILL TELL MY FAMILY, FOR TOO LONG WE HAVE LIED AND SAID OUR FATHERS WERE NUBIANS CAPTIVES AND INVADERS. WE HAD TOO AND WE FOLLOWED THE NUBIAN WAY OF LIFE. WE ARE AND I WILL ASSERT THIS, WE AER THE EGYPTIANS TRIED AND TURED. WE HAVE LIED BECAUSE THEY TOLD US TOO BUT NO MORE WE LIE. WE ARE HAPPY AND OUR OLD RELIGION STILL EXIST AS WELL AS THE PRIESTESSES WHO KNOW THE OLD LANGUAGE AND TEACH US THE OLD LANGUAGE. WE LIED TO THE WORLD AND WE LIED TO THE WHITE MAN, HE WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WE ARE AND OUR CULTURE. WE STILL KNOW THE OLD KNOWLEDGE LIKE THE SERPENT STAFFS OF MOSES, OUR PRIESTESS STILL WALK WITH SERPENTS.

A PERSON FROM EGYPT
- Monday, February 22, 1999 at 21:28:56 (EST)

Also, if you so-called Egyptians would like to refute me, do not litter this guestbook. You can e-mail me and we can dialogue, as well as, talk frankly about it. If you can not do this and accept my challenge like brave ones, like I told Dave, cease to be on this guestbook. Kwabena Adofo is the eloquent warrior and I love to debate, especially if I can be more enlighten and more knowledgeable. By presenting facts and evidence, I can only learn and learn I will. I am ready for any and all, O dabo.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 14:22:33 (EST)

Pharaoh: My brother do not try to rebuke them, you can never change an idiot's mind, I had to learn that the hard way in my debate with Dave. These individuals know the myth, that they perpetuated is crumbling to no avail, and I am not surprised that these ignorant pollute this guestbook. We, as Africans, must do all we can to make SURE "our" people are aware of the facts, forget these other people who's minds are filled with envy and hatred. I believe many of these people who are writing as "Modern-day" slav-descended Egyptians are no more than white Euro(peon) pretenders. Their words hold no validity, even if they are Egyptians, their claims are comparable to White Europeans claiming the original inhabitants of America are white. We can not agrue with people, who give no supportable evidence. Another issue, I would prefer if you stop using the word "Negro", using this word impacts the psyche and stunts true Afrikan self-determination. In the think tank I belong to, we use the Yoruba word "Enia Dudu" which translates as Black people as a more accurate term for Afrikans and Diasporic Afrikans. To all those who oppose, your day will come. Besides chew on this, Semetic languages compare little to ancient Kmt tongue or Copt, according to Theophile Obenga. Also, take it from me, I speak Hebrew. Egypt is described as the land of Ham, not Shem. To all my people, Uhuru Sasa, Freedom Now!!! and the children continue to shout. Hotep.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 14:13:47 (EST)

ALRIGHT ITS ENOUGH OF THE CRAP FOR ONE YOU SO CALLED MODERN EGYPTIANS WHY DOES THE WHITE MAN CALL IN HISTORY THE "ARAB INVASION IN EGPYT YOU ARABS ARE SUCKERS I JUST PUT THE WHITE MAN AGAINST YOU JUST BY USING ONE TERM AND FOR THE OTHER IDIOT THERE ARE PORTRAITS OF ANCIENT NUBIANS WHO HAVE MORE FINNER NOSES AND THINNER LIPS THAN THE EGYPTIANS THEM SELVES AND FOR ANOTHER GO TO MODERN ETHIOPIA THEY HAVE MORE EUROPEAN FACIAL FERATURES THAN THE ARAB OR MODERN EGYPTIAN YOU PEOPLE ARE ARABS YOU ARE NOT EGYPTIAN YOU NEVER WILL BE OUR ANCESTORS THE ANCIENTS HAD A TERM FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND THATS CALLED "ASIATIC FOREIGNERS" YOU ARABS SEMETICS AND ALL YOU WHITE RACIST YOUR ALL MAD BECAUSE YOU CANT BE LIKE US THE BLACKS LISTEN TO WHAT A WHITE MAN TOLD ME A NATIVE OF THE GREEK LAND HE SAID THAT "before in the ancient times the land was called KEMET that is to say the land of black inhabitans in which the man of blackness is valid , when alexander came to kemet he rename it EGYPT which means BLACK in greek , AND ANOTHER THING I AM A MAN I AM OF NEGRO DECENT I AM NOT BLACK SKINNED BUT BROWN SKIN ABOUT 95% OF THE NEGRO POP. IN AMERICA IS EITHER BROWN REDDISH BROWN OF YELLOW SKINNED HMM SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING FAMILIAR MORE LIKE THE SKIN TONES OF THE ANCIENTS ME AND MY FAMILY COULD NEVER MATCH SKIN TONES WITH THE NUBIAN BUT MORE LIKE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN THATS WHY IT IS CALLED LAND OF THE BLACKS MY SISTER LOOKS LIKE NEFERTARI SKIN TONE SAME OF FACE BUT WE AR BOTH NEGRO I FOUND AN OLD PICTURE OF MY DECEASED GRANDFATHER WHO IS IDENTICLE AND IS OF THE SAME STATURE OF PAHRAOH KHUFU AND I SOME WHAT FAVOR MENKAU-RE A LITTLE .BUT MY POINT IS THE ANCIENTS ARE BLACK AND ITS FUNNY BECAUSE WHY IS IT THAT EXACTLY WHEN THE DECLINE OF EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION AND THE ARISE OF THE ARAB INVASION THAT ROADS FROM THE NILE VALLEY TO WEST AFRICA WERE IDENTIFIED HAVING BEEN FROM THAT DATE AND ALL OF SUDDEN WEST AFRICAN KINGDOMS BEGAN TO DEVELOP BOTH BEARING TITLES ROLES AND NAME AS LIKE THERE EGYPTIAN ANCESTORS AND TO SAY THE YUROBA ARE SO MUCH A DITINCTIVE HEIRIOGLYPHIC WRITING PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE NOW SAID TO BE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND WHY IS IT THAT ONLY THE BLACKS WEAR ON THERE NECLACES THE SYMBOL OF THE ANKH OR THE CHARM OF NEFERTITI BUT NOT WHITES OR ARABS..ITS SIMPLY BLACK ROOTS AND BESIDES IF THE YOU MODERN EGYPTIAN ARE SO CALLED THE "DECENDENTS" WHY WOULD YOU INVADE YOUR OWN LAND IN THE 7TH CENTURY AND WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO STUPID TO THIS DAY YOU ARE THE DECENDENTS RIGHT? WRONG YOU PEOPLE CAN EVEN READ HEIROGLYPHICS BUT NUBIANS CAN HOW COME YOU DONT SERVE THE NATIVE DIETIES YOU DONT BECAUSE YOU ARE FOREIGNERS ALL YOU MODERNIST YOU WILL NEVER BE US!

PHAROAH, why I know the blacks are the decenents of the ancient egyptians
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 09:49:22 (EST)

I'm glad to know that there are those who understand the nature of intellectual warfare. It is not only about the activity of war but the strategems needed to wage a battle effectively. The African-centered view has been too long overlooked and underserved by those suffering with Afriphobia. This is an opportunity for truth to be spoken to power. Hotep!

Charles E. Siler <Csiler8398@aol.com>
Age: 55, New Orleans, LA USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:51:51 (EST)

this is a racist anti- white extremist board!!!!

me
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:47:29 (EST)

TO MESSAGE BOARD MONITOR: nobody is claiming the egyptians as arabs, not even the egyptians today. SO STOP THIS DISTORTION BY ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS AND FACTS!!

a non arab
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:46:18 (EST)

The term "black" in Italian language is taken out of context when the message board monitor says that the Romans said the egyptians where "black." You are not Italian, ok? a person with a dark or deathly charateristic is called "black." the egyptians being so obsessed with death can mean this. again, you distort the meaning to fit english. "black" also means dark. a person with olive or brown skin is called "black" for simplicity sake, not because hey are of "negro" orgin. don't think you can fool everyone. and "wooly hair" can mean curly hair. "frizzy" means curly is french. don't think you can use the Italian language to distort history for your own purposes. seriously, you are using us with some gross mistranslations.

j.k. g
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:44:31 (EST)

EGYPT IS AND NEVER WAS A BLACK COUNTRY. i am willing to proove and debate this issue. you can fool everyone, but you can't fool an egyptian. LINGUSITICALLY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAD A LANGUAGE CLOSELY IS PRONOUCIATION AND CHARACTERISTICS TO OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THESE "AFRICAN" "BLACK" OR "NUBIAN" INFLUENCES WHERE JUST THAT, A MEAR FEW WORDS THAT WORKED ITS WAY INTO EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. EGYPTIAN HAS THE SOUNDS "KHA" "QAFF" AND "'AYIN"...THREE SOUNDS FOUND ONLY IN SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THE LANGUAGE CAN BE WRITTEN RIGHT TO LEFT AS WITH OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. MAERLY LISTENING TO COPTIC OR ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE WILL CONVINCE EVEN THE MOST STUBBORN AFROCENTRIST THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS LARGELY AND FOREMOST OF SEMETIC LANGUAGE. IF YOU THINK I AM LIEING, TAKE A CLASS IN THIS FIELD. AS FOR FACE FEATURES EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, HAVE COMPLEXIONS FROM A LIGHT YELLOW TO A DARK REDDISH BROWN. NEVER HAVE ANY PAPYRUS SCROLL SHOWED EGYPTIANS WITH BLACK SKIN. SCROLLS HAVE PICTURED NUBIANS WITH PITCH BLACK SKIN AND BROWN SKIN. THE EGYPTIANS HAD SKINS BROWN TO A VERY LIGHT YELLOW. THE NOSES OF THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALWAYS FINE FEATURED. THEY WERE ALWAYS POINTED UNLIKE THE NUBIAN PAINTINGS WERE THEY HAD THE TYPICAL FLAT, BROAD NOSES. THE LIPS OF THE EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, WERE ALWAYS THIN TO MEDIUM, THE BLACK NUBIANS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THICK LIPS WITH PROTRUDING JAWS, CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK. THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST PART HAD NO SUCH FACE FEATURES. WHAT CONFUSES PEOPLE IS THE FACT THAT NUBIANS AND EGYPTIANS MIXED SOMETIMES, WHICH CAUSED SOME "EGYPTIANS" TO POSSESS FEATURES IN THE MIDDLE. aS FOR HAIR EGYPTIANS HAD FINE(SOME WHERE WIGS FOR THE HEAT) TO VERY CURLY HAIR. THERE ARE MANY PAINTINGS TO INDICATE THIS. THE NUBIANS AND KUSH VISTORS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THE KINKY, COURSE HAIR CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK MAN. SO FAR THE MAJORITY OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FAILED TO REACH THE CRETERIA OF A BLACK MAN. THE NUBIANS HOWEVER DO. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS IN THE SAHARA DESERT. ITS ABSURD THAT SOMEONE WOULD THINK ONE OF THE HOTTEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH WOULD HAVE A SUN THAT DOESN'T AFFECT SKIN COLOR. MANY PEOPLE WITH LIGHT BROWN AND OLIVE SKIN TAN EASITLY, MORESO THAN THE SKINS OF THE EUROPEANS. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA, IT IS IN THE EXTREME NORTH EAST CORNER OF AFRICA, BOARDERING ISRAEL AND OTHER SEMETIC LANDS. EGYPT DOESN'T BOARDER UGHANDA FOR EXAMPLE. THE NILE PROVIDED THE ROUTE FOR NUBIANS, EGYPTIANS AND NUBIANS WOULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. HOWEVER THE CULTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL ANCIENT TRADITIONS THAT ARE PRACTICED IN MODERN EGYPT AND MODERN NUBIA THAT ARE STILL VERY DIFFERENT. THEN THERE IS THE CONCEPT OF INVADERS OVER THE YEARS MIXING WITH EGYPTIANS. THIS IS TRUE, BUT HIGHLY EXAGGERATED. ARMIES TSKE OVER LARGE CITIES, NOT SMALL TOWNS. THE MEN THAT MIXED IN THE EGYPTIAN MELTING POT WERE CONFINED TO LARGE CITIES; THEBES, ALEXANDRIA, ETC. MOST EGYPTIANS LIVED ON FARMED. EVEN TODAY, MOST EGYPTIANS ARE ISOLATED FROM THESE BIG CITIES. ALSO, DARK GENES ARE DOMINANT WHICH EXPLAINS WHY MOST EGYPTIANS LOOK LOKE THEIR ANSESTORS. MY MOTHER LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE ON EGYPTIAN QUEEN I FORGET WHAT HER NAME IS. MY COUSIN, WHO LOOKS STICKING LIKE HATSHEPSUT SAYS SHE HAS A "AJNABI" OR FOEIGNER FAR IN HER PAST. STILL THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE FOR THE MOST PART. THE MYTH THAT INVADERS RAPED AND WHITENED THE EGYPTIANS AS A WHOLE IS FROM THE LACK OF MATHMATICAL CERTAINTY. IF YOU GO TO EGYPT TODAY AND SAY EGYPTIANS ARE ARAB, THAT IS A GROSS MISCALCULATION. THE DIALECT THEY SPEAK IS SUBSTANCIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE ARABS. "ARAB" IS EGYPTIAN MEANS SAUDI ARABIAN. EGYPTIANS NEVER HAVE CALLED THEMSELVES ARABS, ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAVE ADOPTED WHEN THEY DECIEDED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. THERE IS NO ETHNIC CONNONTATION OR IMPLICATION WITH THE TERM "ARAB." IN FACT MANY WORDS FROM ARABIC AND HEBREW ARE THE SAME IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AGAIN THE NUBIAN WORDS WHICH ARE PROBABLY RELATED TO THAT OF THE REST OF ANCIENT BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES WERE INSIGNIFICANT IN THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE COMPARED TO THE UNQIUENESS AND HEAVY SEMETIC LINGUISTIC STRUCTURE OF SEMETIC LANGUAGES. ALONG WITH THE POLITICS OF AFROCENTRISM, WE EGYPTIANS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANYONE OUTSIDE OUR SOIL AS EGYPTIAN. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. MANY OTHER PEOPLES WANTED TO CLAIM OUR CULTURE AND EACH TIME, JUST WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUCCEEDING, THE EGYPTIANS JUST DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THESE DISTORTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE TRUTH. WE EGYPTIANS RESEMBLE OURSELVES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE, WHETHER A BLACK AMERICAN, EUROPEAN, ASIAN OR WHATEVER TRY TO LAY CLAIM TO OUR CULTURE AND HERITAGE. YOU HAVE TO KILL 65 MILLION EGYPTIAN MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST. don't think anyone can teach us our own history. you don't go to the Pope to learn Hinduism.

why we egyptians will never accept your claims
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:36:42 (EST)

YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO RE WRITE EGYPTIAN HISTORY JUST TO MAKE YOURSELVES FEEL LIKE YOU CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING TO HISTORY. EGYPT IS AND NEVER WAS A BLACK COUNTRY. LINGUSITICALLY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAD A LANGUAGE CLOSELY IS PRONOUCIATION AND CHARACTERISTICS TO OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THESE "AFRICAN" "BLACK" OR "NUBIAN" INFLUENCES WHERE JUST THAT, A MEAR FEW WORDS THAT WORKED ITS WAY INTO EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. EGYPTIAN HAS THE SOUNDS "KHA" "QAFF" AND "'AYIN"...THREE SOUNDS FOUND ONLY IN SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THE LANGUAGE CAN BE WRITTEN RIGHT TO LEFT AS WITH OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. MAERLY LISTENING TO COPTIC OR ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE WILL CONVINCE EVEN THE MOST STUBBORN AFROCENTRIST THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS LARGELY AND FOREMOST OF SEMETIC LANGUAGE. IF YOU THINK I AM LIEING, TAKE A CLASS IN THIS FIELD. AS FOR FACE FEATURES EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, HAVE COMPLEXIONS FROM A LIGHT YELLOW TO A DARK REDDISH BROWN. NEVER HAVE ANY PAPYRUS SCROLL SHOWED EGYPTIANS WITH BLACK SKIN. SCROLLS HAVE PICTURED NUBIANS WITH PITCH BLACK SKIN AND BROWN SKIN. THE EGYPTIANS HAD SKINS BROWN TO A VERY LIGHT YELLOW. THE NOSES OF THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALWAYS FINE FEATURED. THEY WERE ALWAYS POINTED UNLIKE THE NUBIAN PAINTINGS WERE THEY HAD THE TYPICAL FLAT, BROAD NOSES. THE LIPS OF THE EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, WERE ALWAYS THIN TO MEDIUM, THE BLACK NUBIANS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THICK LIPS WITH PROTRUDING JAWS, CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK. THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST PART HAD NO SUCH FACE FEATURES. WHAT CONFUSES PEOPLE IS THE FACT THAT NUBIANS AND EGYPTIANS MIXED SOMETIMES, WHICH CAUSED SOME "EGYPTIANS" TO POSSESS FEATURES IN THE MIDDLE. aS FOR HAIR EGYPTIANS HAD FINE(SOME WHERE WIGS FOR THE HEAT) TO VERY CURLY HAIR. THERE ARE MANY PAINTINGS TO INDICATE THIS. THE NUBIANS AND KUSH VISTORS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THE KINKY, COURSE HAIR CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK MAN. SO FAR THE MAJORITY OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FAILED TO REACH THE CRETERIA OF A BLACK MAN. THE NUBIANS HOWEVER DO. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS IN THE SAHARA DESERT. ITS ABSURD THAT SOMEONE WOULD THINK ONE OF THE HOTTEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH WOULD HAVE A SUN THAT DOESN'T AFFECT SKIN COLOR. MANY PEOPLE WITH LIGHT BROWN AND OLIVE SKIN TAN EASITLY, MORESO THAN THE SKINS OF THE EUROPEANS. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA, IT IS IN THE EXTREME NORTH EAST CORNER OF AFRICA, BOARDERING ISRAEL AND OTHER SEMETIC LANDS. EGYPT DOESN'T BOARDER UGHANDA FOR EXAMPLE. THE NILE PROVIDED THE ROUTE FOR NUBIANS, EGYPTIANS AND NUBIANS WOULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. HOWEVER THE CULTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL ANCIENT TRADITIONS THAT ARE PRACTICED IN MODERN EGYPT AND MODERN NUBIA THAT ARE STILL VERY DIFFERENT. THEN THERE IS THE CONCEPT OF INVADERS OVER THE YEARS MIXING WITH EGYPTIANS. THIS IS TRUE, BUT HIGHLY EXAGGERATED. ARMIES TSKE OVER LARGE CITIES, NOT SMALL TOWNS. THE MEN THAT MIXED IN THE EGYPTIAN MELTING POT WERE CONFINED TO LARGE CITIES; THEBES, ALEXANDRIA, ETC. MOST EGYPTIANS LIVED ON FARMED. EVEN TODAY, MOST EGYPTIANS ARE ISOLATED FROM THESE BIG CITIES. ALSO, DARK GENES ARE DOMINANT WHICH EXPLAINS WHY MOST EGYPTIANS LOOK LOKE THEIR ANSESTORS. MY MOTHER LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE ON EGYPTIAN QUEEN I FORGET WHAT HER NAME IS. MY COUSIN, WHO LOOKS STICKING LIKE HATSHEPSUT SAYS SHE HAS A "AJNABI" OR FOEIGNER FAR IN HER PAST. STILL THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE FOR THE MOST PART. THE MYTH THAT INVADERS RAPED AND WHITENED THE EGYPTIANS AS A WHOLE IS FROM THE LACK OF MATHMATICAL CERTAINTY. IF YOU GO TO EGYPT TODAY AND SAY EGYPTIANS ARE ARAB, THAT IS A GROSS MISCALCULATION. THE DIALECT THEY SPEAK IS SUBSTANCIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE ARABS. "ARAB" IS EGYPTIAN MEANS SAUDI ARABIAN. EGYPTIANS NEVER HAVE CALLED THEMSELVES ARABS, ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAVE ADOPTED WHEN THEY DECIEDED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. THERE IS NO ETHNIC CONNONTATION OR IMPLICATION WITH THE TERM "ARAB." IN FACT MANY WORDS FROM ARABIC AND HEBREW ARE THE SAME IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AGAIN THE NUBIAN WORDS WHICH ARE PROBABLY RELATED TO THAT OF THE REST OF ANCIENT BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES WERE INSIGNIFICANT IN THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE COMPARED TO THE UNQIUENESS AND HEAVY SEMETIC LINGUISTIC STRUCTURE OF SEMETIC LANGUAGES. ALONG WITH THE POLITICS OF AFROCENTRISM, WE EGYPTIANS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANYONE OUTSIDE OUR SOIL AS EGYPTIAN. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. MANY OTHER PEOPLES WANTED TO CLAIM OUR CULTURE AND EACH TIME, JUST WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUCCEEDING, THE EGYPTIANS JUST DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THESE DISTORTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE TRUTH. WE EGYPTIANS RESEMBLE OURSELVES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE, WHETHER A BLACK AMERICAN, EUROPEAN, ASIAN OR WHATEVER TRY TO LAY CLAIM TO OUR CULTURE AND HERITAGE. YOU HAVE TO KILL 65 MILLION EGYPTIAN MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST.

somebody from egypt
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:31:55 (EST)

their is a big myth taken over some black american peoples. and that is the myth that they are egyptian. this can easily be prooven wrong. we egyptians don't really care what anyone thinks since most of you afro-americans are racists against egyprians. you

a boy from the nile valley
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 15:53:32 (EST)

HEY GUYS I THINKING BIGGER AND BETTER WHY NOT PRODUCTION! A SCRIPT IN THE MAKING OF OUR BLACK EGYPTIAN ROOTS IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS NOTES QUOTES OR ANY THING TO SUBMIT MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS AS SEEN SO DONT HESITATE TO WRITE

PHAROAH <PHAROAH54@HOTMAIL.COM>
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 15:01:03 (EST)

this is my first time seeing your site, i plan to read all of the information. you know, for some time now, i always sort of suspected that "those people" people were up to some thing dirty.. it's the nature of those mutants... when u lack sufficient melinan, you'll do anything to give the illu- sion that you also are human. (this is why they are still sneaking around the world planting false archeological evidence in the hope that the rest of the world will be convinced someday, that they belong. check this out... i'll betcha the "dead-sea scrolls" smell like garlic by now and read the opposite of what was originally written..(i.e it's worthless!!!)

charles williams <cwilli6693>
Age: 53, USA - Thursday, February 18, 1999 at 11:23:32 (EST)

It is good to hear all of these brothers and sistas expressing positiveness. We are at the threshold of nation-building and my heart swells to be in the company of strong-minded and willed people. Could it be we are hearing the ancestors' call and responding appropriately? The best way to slay the demon of inferiority is activism and education. We are an African people, Black nationalist in perspective and Pan-Afrikan in scope. We are moving ever so freely and consciously into a new age, the Era of African Redemption. Not to copy cat, but I am, also, writing a book, "The Rise of Africa and the Decline of Europeanization". Anyone who would like to contribute any ideas or suggestions, feel free to contact me at my e-mail address. Let's defeat the dragon together. We must reclaim our legacy for the future generations to build upon. Medase.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 18:36:29 (EST)

THE PAN-AFRICAN MOVEMENT IS GETTING STRONGER EVERY MINUTE.I AM PLEASED TO SEE SO MANY OF OUR AFRICAN MEN AND WOMEN TAKING CONTROL OF OUR HISTORY AND CULTURE.EUROPEANS ARE NERVOUS AND THEY WIL USE ANY TACTICS WHATSOEVER TO DISCREDIT OUR PEOPLE ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT AND IN THE DIASPORA.THE MORE WE LOVE OURSELVES THE STRONGER THE RACE BECOMES. I AM A MEMBER OF A.S.C.A.C. ORGANIZATION.CURRENTLY,I AM WORKING ON A BOOK CALLED "THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF FREEMASONRY AND ITS EUROPEAN CORRUPTION.IF ANYONE HAS ANY USEFUL INFORMATION PLEASE E-MAIL ME OR SEND TO 12 COLORADO AVE ,BUFFALO,NY 14211 (716)891-4825.

BURRELL MCKELPHIN <HER-EM-AHKET@WEBTV.NET>
Age: 28, BUFFALO, NY USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 16:24:48 (EST)

BURRELL MCKELPHIN <HER-EM-AHKET@WEBTV.NET>
Age: 28, BUFFALO, NY USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 16:16:51 (EST)

I am happy to hear you discuss our most honorable priest, Cheik anta Diop. I am PH.D at Temple University,and have the pleasure of studying with many people who actually knew Cheik. In addition, I am in the process of writing a book on Cheik's two cradle theory. Any suggestions or comments would be helpful.

Douglas s Thomas <dtbubbie@aol.com>
Philly, pa USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 15:53:19 (EST)

WHAT I HAVE JUST HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING. tHIS COULD HELP ENCOURAGE AND MOTIVATE YOUNG BLACK MEN ANAD WOMEN KNOWING THAT THEIR LENIAGE WAS FROM SUCH GREAT WEALTH. I THINK MANY OTHE RPEOPLE NEED TO TO DO RESEARCH OF THIS SORT.

TOSHA bARKSDALE
Age: 19, DANVILLE , VA USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 13:33:17 (EST)

Sister Ayanna, you are accurate in your observation and I applaud your effort. The days of darkness are almost over, but as we know before dawn, comes the darkest part of night. Many people are becoming aware of the truth, but there is also a counter-offensive arising from the Western academia, using "Black" scholars to repute the idea of Black Kemet as "racist", "narrow-minded", "anti-multi-cultural" and the like. These attempts are utilized to sway many Africans who are not aware of the evidence proving a Black Kemet. I'm not trying to throw mud, but a new book, Encyclopedia Africana, is one of the latest weapons written by "Black" writers to rainbowize Black history. Another one that comes to mind is the 1997-1998 Encyclopedia of Sub-Saharan Africa, this collection can be found in libraries and is designed to nip the budding minds of the youth. They (Western academia) are desperately seeking to destroy the Africentric logic. Picture this scenario (it only hypothetical not intend at anyone particular): "Not being familiar with African history, you heard from a brother or sista that people like Diop, George James, Dr. Ivan van Sertima and company are presently information about Egypt's black origin and establishment under the new school of "Afrocentricism", so being interested of learning more about this and Afrocentricism, you stroll to your local 'white-operated' bookstore. You go to the African-American Interest section hoping to get books of African-American interest and you find the book, Afrocentricism : Historical Fact or Myth (something like that) or Mary Leflowitz's book, "Not out of Africa", which dicussing the relevance of Afrocentricism. Not knowing anything about the writers, you decide to but it and read where Diop's theory was flawed, James' concept is "factually fradulent", and Ivan van Sertima is a racist parading as a learned man. This shatters your already lack of confidence of African writers who writes those "biasedly racist black power books", so you conclude that their evidence lacks all substance and reason." What will you now think? This is the latest white offensive attack them academically (and make our books more obtainable) while placing in their minds the un-dieing image of non-Negro Egyptians, except for the adopted aliens/foreigners or servants. We must aggressively crusade to place meaningful images for our people and pursue to push the learning of Kmt. Because one argument they do have, is the argument Arabs are not black but they too inhabit the hot desert regions of North Africa. From a white or colonized white mind, of course: "this only concludes the Egyptians are Semites and those of Egypt today are the direct descendants of the Ancient Egyptians". We know this not to be true, but how many of our uninformed brothers and sistas will also see the same thing. Many of us, whether we choose to admit or not, are informally educated thru TV, whether it be by popular movies,i.e., Prince of Egypt, Mummy,etc., or The Learning Channel. How many of us have local study groups or control over the information that enters our minds. Very little of us. So not to be cynical, but our darkest time lies ahead. One thing of learned individuals can choose not to be is arrogant and overbaering, because this turns the average person, such as myself, off. Yes, the truth is out, but one thing about a liar is he will choose to fight the truth to the death. Also, we, as Black people, are so colonized that even if we do believe the Egyptians are Black, we never ask the question what is the psychology behind the White establishment to portray them (Egyptians) as any other than? We don't ask this question and until we ask this question, we will always be controlled by European thought and relative facts.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 16:36:53 (EST)

FOREVER LIVE THE WORLD OF THE ANIENT EGYPTIANS..

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 09:29:24 (EST)

How can anyone study geography in school,look at a map of Africa, see that Egypt is part of the African continent and still in their insidious mind say that the Ancient Egyptians were not an African people! It is ignorant to waste time debating on the subject at all when the proof is literally slapping you in the face! One thing that I would like to ask any person of European descent or any person who is trying to deny the obvious truth is how could caucasians be the sole inhabitants of Egypt which is located in a hot sun filled continent, when even today they suffer from various types of melanoma, skin cancers and burning when exposed to direct sunlight for long or even short periods of time! A person does not have to be an anthro pologist or scientist to figure out the answer to that! Ancient Egyptians Adored the sun for the same reasons that I do today. I always feel energized when exposed to the hot sun, have never worn sunscreen and have never burned a day in my life! May Ra shine his light on all believers of truth and justice. The days of darkness are almost over. Peace and Blessings, Ayanna Nzingha Newele

Ayanna Nzingha Newele <pharrison@thcllc.com>
Washington, DC USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 01:41:00 (EST)

How can anyone study geography in school,look at a map of Africa, see that Egypt is part of the African continent of Africa and still in their insidious mind say that the Ancient Egyptians were not an African people! It is ignorant to waste time debating on the subject at all when the proof is literally slapping you in the face! One thing that I would like to ask any person of European descent or any person who is trying to deny the obvious truth is how could caucasians be the sole inhabitants of Egypt which is located in a hot sun filled continent, when even today they suffer from various types of melanoma, skin cancers and burning when exposed to direct sunlight for long or even short periods of time! A person does not have to be an anthro- pologist or scientist to figure out the answer to that! Ancient Egyptians Adored the sun for the same reasons that I do today. I always feel energized when exposed to the hot sun, have never worn sunscreen and have never burned a day in my life! May Ra shine his light on all believers of truth and justice. The days of darkness are almost over. Peace and Blessings, Ayanna Nzingha Newele

Ayanna Nzingha Newele <pharrison@thcllc.com>
Washington, DC USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 01:32:37 (EST)

THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION

HELEN
USA - Thursday, February 11, 1999 at 17:41:29 (EST)

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Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 23:11:06 (EST)

Attn: Danquah. I could find no e-mail address or URL for you, your comrades or your organization. If it is possible would you please e-mail me privately. Thank you.

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 20:02:54 (EST)

Hello all, I am Kheru Camara. A few brothers and I are members of an academically maverick non-profit research group known as Ankobia or the Vanguard. I believe many of you are probably aware of one of my comrades, Kwabena Adofo Danquah, he is the physical and cultural anthropologist of our organization, in addition, we have Omari Afi Keita (historian and sociologist), Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh (historian and psychologist) and yours truly (an writer and editor/marketing consultant) . Our main purpose is to disseminate information in our local area, but sometimes we like to debate on our areas of expertise. You may sometimes find us in guestbooks, chats or physical forums, we feel our scholars need to become visual and active. We understand many of our foremost minds are tied up with professional teaching jobs and the like, so try to fill the void of invisibility by becoming noticeable. We encourage other devoted individuals to form their own educational groups across the country. We started off as a study group, but now we are what you will call the public relations branch of our group. This is very informal, we just wanted you to know who was on this guestbook presenting info and their respective affiliation and occupation. Hotep!!!

Kheru Camara
USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 17:25:25 (EST)

Jambo to all my Relations: Hopefully all the fierce debating is over and done. As we know this is the "infamous" month of black history, the celebratory extension of the Honorable Dr. Carter G. Woodson's brainchild Negro History Week and the time to educate the masses of our people. Unfortunately, many of us are denigrating Black History Month to the usual showcase of Martin, Malcolm, a few little known Black 1sts, parades and beauty pageants, which I feel is in direct contradiction to what Mr. Woodson had in mind. Don't get me wrong, all of this fine in it proper context but there still is a lacking in our "Black History". This void in our Black History is the homeland of our people, Mama Africa. Many times we are led astray and focus only on those periods of ante-slavery and post-slavery. Are we afraid of pre-slavery? Are we still teaching our kids that before white people and slavery, blacks were nothing but savages without any noticeable history? Are we perpetuating White supremacy? After reading Miseducation of the Negro for the 7th unprecendant time, I feel like Bro. Carter is rolling over in his resting place. He once stated that ""highly educated" negroes would rather teach European values and ideas, not African, like Classical French or Historical Spanish than African-inspired English dialect or (Ebonics). Thus many of these "highly educated" negroes are some of the heroes we celebrate during this month. Another fallacy is many of the pushers of black history would have constituted the "highly educated but miseducated" negroes of Carter's time. He said that if the focus is too much on the 1st "Black" this and the 1st "Black" that, it would still leave the world wondering what is the purpose of the Black race, except to be imitators. Why do we place so much pride on becoming the 1st officers in the very beast, that only wishes our domination and oppression? How can we be self-determining "Negroes" when we are always comparing ourselves and our accomplishments to people who have always had a "created" advantage over us? As human beings, we can not be compared to any other group of people because we constitute the "Black branch" of humanity and are therefore unique as is every other ethnic group. We never talk of Kmt and the Black Kamau, or Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Zimbabwe, Benin, Luba-Lunda states or Kanem-Bornu, is it because we still, even this late in age, suffer from some undetected inferiority that forces us to shrug off the greater part of our heritage and existence for one, minute in comparison and detail. I know I will probably be bombarded for this, maybe labeled racist, but stop glorifying whites by glorifying white-educated Blacks working for white-generated acheivements. That's what it seems like when we don't celebrate "all" our history, we didn't just come into existence 500 years ago, you know. If we are the oldest on earth, let us start acting as such. When we deny our African history for our American experience and then call our American experience Black history are we not glorifying White folks and devaluing our ancestors' legacy of life and living? Oh well, yeah we do compensate for the African by talking about Fredrick Douglass, at the same time, incorporating African dance, which the dancers rarely know what tribe the form they are dancing comes from. Why are we ashamed? We can display Bambara stylized antelope headdresses or Benin bronze but can not recall who Mansa Musa or Sonni Ali were. Where's the Black history, or did we just become Black like a 140 years ago? We are doing ourselves a supreme injustice, as well as, telling our kids if you don't replicate what whites do then "you won't be nuthin". Who enjoys Black History month the most? White folks cause it boosts them, psychologically and "highly educated" negroes cause it helps them repress their heritage emotionally, besides it socially acceptable.

Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh
USA - Saturday, February 06, 1999 at 15:16:35 (EST)

KEMET=LAND OF BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE, THUS IN SAYING ALL OF AFRICA IS KEMET RELATED

jeron
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 15:20:38 (EST)

KWABENA ADOFO'DANQUAH'S VOCABULARY IS SPECTACULAR AND HIS HARD CONCRETE EVIDENCE, HEY THIS GUY OUTTA HAVE A BOOK COMMIN'OUT BY NOW,AND LIKE A FEW OTHERS SAID ,HEY YOU EUROPEANS WATCH YOUR HOLLYWOOD SO CALLED MOVIES OF THE "EGYPTIANS" AND WATCH YOUR TLC,HISTORY CHANNEL AND A&E SPECIALS TRYING TO DEPICT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AS WHITE BECAUSETHIS YEAR AND THE NEXT CENTURY BRINGS THE NEW AGE WHERE ALL THE EVIDENCE IS COMMIN' OUT AND ALL THE WHITE MAN LIES WILL TOTALLY BE UNCOVERED AND MAYBE EVEN MOVIES STARRING BLACKS AS THE EGPYTIANS BUT THAT'LL BE OUR SECRET FOR NOW AND TO ALL THOSE RACIST THAT ENTER HERE DAVE MAYBE TAKE A CHANCE TO LOOK UPON THE TEMPLE PAINTINGS TOMB ILLUSTRATIONS AND ARTS NOW IM NEGRO AND I CAN PERFECTLY MATCH MY SKIN TONE WITH THE ANCIENTS AND THERE ARENT TOO MANY NEGROES IN AMERICA WITH THE "EITHIOPIAN OR NUBIAN" TYPE SKIN TONE THE "ARABS" WHERE DEPICTED AS "ASIATICS" WITH A WHITE/YELLOW COMPLETION ARABIA IS IN ASIA THUS THEY WERE CALLED "ASIATIC FOREIGNERS" GOD RULES, THE ANCIENTS ARE NEGRO, KWABENA KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKIN' ABOUT SO END OF DISCUSSION!!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 15:17:25 (EST)

For all of those looking for some quotes to possibly clarify some things: "There are a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men ejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair founded, on the study of laws of Nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe."--Count Volney,"Ruins of Empires": William Flinders Petrie, an esteemed early Egyptologist," Whence came the invading race- the high caste race- who founded the dynastic history? The ancient writers considered them Ethiopians and that they came from the south, and certainly in no other quarter, Libyan, Syrian or Anatolian, can we find an analogous people."; concerning the Egyptians, George Wells Parker in his book "Children of the Sun" states, "Who were they? They themselves believed that they were autochthones of the soil. In their legends they tell how their first ancestors rose from the black mud of the Nile before the Creator finished the world, so anxious were the gods to behold their birth, and they gave their country the name of "Chemi," meaning "the land of the black people."; Dr. Rudolph Virchow, the famous founder of cellular pathology branch of medicine, was request by the German Anthropological Association to go to Egypt and study the momuments, temples, statues and other remains of the Egyptian civilization, and bring back some authoritative decision as to the racial relations of the Egyptian people. He remained in Egypt two years and on August 5, 1889, he delivered his answer: "I thought I could find by comparative examination of the living and the remains and pictures of the dead some points establishing the change of the ancient Egyptians into the Egyptians of historic times, but I have returned with the conviction that ancient Egypt and its neighboring countries have not essentially changed during these periods. If Menes really existed, then the Egyptians in his time were Negroes, since quite old mural paintings show Negroes with all their peculiarities."; French archeologist Edouard Naville had this to say, "It (Egypt) belongs to a nation formed by an indigenous stock, of African origin, among which, settled conquerors coming from Arabia, from the same starting point as the Chaldeans. This explains a certain similiarity between Egypt and Babylon. The foreign element was not Semitic. They belonged, like the natives, to the Hamitic (Black) stock; therefore they easily amalgamated with the aborigines, into whom they infused their more progressive and active spirit. The dawn of the Egyptian civilization is certainly a distinct proof of the important part played by Africa in the history of human culture." These are a few quotes given by 18th, 19th and 20th century writers and researchers, I don't claim that these men were the supreme authority on Kmt, but undoubtably, their works must be taken into consideration as pioneers of study. I ask you all, if ever you get the chance, visit Kmt yourself (with a unbiased eye) or compare the ethnological data left by the Egyptians, themselves, in K. R. Lepsius's, "Denkmaler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien", which contains a painting from the tomb of Ramses III concerning the surrounding racial types, rather, national groups. Lastly, I leave with a quote from my 'beloved' scholar, Cheikh Anta Diop: "The Black race, historically, subjugated the White race for three thousand years. Visit the tomb of Ramses III, if you dare interpret correctly its murals. Today Blacks are on the eve of a new start, after having had their turn at being sold by the pound in the West. Good luck to the racists, if they think they are the most intelligent; then what are they worrying about?" To all of those who visit this guestbook and spew hatred, why bother if Egypt was never Black or are you afraid the Blacks will finally know the truth and build another Kmt. Diop must have been on point, if not he would not have been untimely murdered I believe, cause as an anthropologist, myself, Diop did and was still on the verge of scattering the polycentric theory of Human origin.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 14:12:29 (EST)

Mr. Dave, I never took back my statement that the bust of Nefertiti was Greek inspired, because it was. There is many of pictures depicting African ancestry in this woman. You say as far as you can tell (i'm believing eyesight, which relatively little to go with), where are your linguistic, cultural, serological, body morphological evidence. You can not look at a picture of someone who lived virtually 3000 years ago and assume their ethnicity, to do so is ludricous. My grandmother who was a black woman, looked little like a stereotypical Black woman and for that matter my family. I look phenotypical Black and identify as Black but according to genotype and especially hematological results, I possess a blood type not found in typical Blacks. Actually there is no type of this on the African continent, except in very rare to none cases. We can not go by our eyes, someone recently stated that at least 70% of the whites in America are not genotypical whites. The first statement I read from you was very arrogant, if not , covertly racist, especially your suggesting Black Americans probably never visited Kmt. If you didn't know there are tours provided by a world renowned Falasha (Black Jew) historian, Dr. Josef ben Jochannon, who spend twenty-years in the Nile Valley studying the predominate Black presence, so many of my brothers and sisters are well versed in the Hapi river valley area. I also see you're not defending your stand as to why Egyptians are not Blacks except for futile squabbles without any real substance (no documented proof, whether eye-witness accounts or career researchers'). Neither did you care to notice my and my comrade's references to African migration stories from that area, which are even presented in the Encyclopdeia Britannica. I have not been proven wrong and I have not dodged any of your questions, but you, it seems, would like to dodge my points and continue to assert a non-Black origin for the Kamau, only because of eyesight. What books have you studied those written by the authors of the "BELL CURVE" and maybe some waiting for a chance contributors to The Learning Channel, History Channel or A&am