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The Clegg Series site was established in December of 1996 to provide an opportunity for people of African descent and others to present uncensored information about Black History and culture. Our intention was to create a forum for a broad, provocative and respectful exchange of ideas.

Unfortunately, over the past month the entries into our popular guestbook have degenerated into rude, vulgar and racist name-calling. While we certainly encourage controversy, we don’t believe that personal or racial insults are appropriate. Let us continue our dialogue on a constructive level.

During the existence of our site, the major point of contention has been whether the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans. It is quite understandable that this issue would stir up heated passions. For nearly two hundred years now, White scholars have removed Black people from Egypt, Egypt from Africa and Africa from world history. They have always taught that Egypt is in the Near East, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and even the Fertile Crescent. They have never informed the world that Egypt is and always has been on the Continent of Africa.

While White publishers controlled everything written and taught about Africa - - and often published books stating that the Ancient Egyptians were White - - no one, except Black people, complained. However, since Black people began publishing their own work and using the internet to tell our story, suddenly everyone is interested in setting Black people straight by insisting that the Ancient Egyptians were neither Black nor white, but Arabs, like the Arabs of today.

We disagree. Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7^th Century AD, long after Ancient Egyptian civilization had declined and faded away. Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.

Many have argued that, even if the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans, modern African Americans, who lay claim to Egyptian civilization, are not akin to them because their ancestors were West Africans. This reflects a lack of knowledge about African history. Virtually all West African people trace their ancestry to the northeast and ultimately to the Nile Valley. A number of Black scholars have revealed evidence of the ancient migratory trail from the Nile across the continent to West Africa and the Atlantic Ocean. Therefore, modern African Americans do indeed have a direct link to the Ancient Egyptian people.

We understand that most White people and Arabs have great difficulty imagining Black Africans to have laid the foundation of civilization. We sincerely regret that Western racist propaganda has so narrowed their worldview. But, at this site we deal with evidence - - not propaganda, not passion, not preconceived notions or white supremacy.

In our bi-monthly MA’AT newsletter, we present evidence that the main-stream media will not touch, because it would destroy racist myths that have been embraced as inviolable truths by millions around the world. If you find this site to be at variance with your sacred belief system, please avoid visiting us. After all contrary opinions prevail in most other forums. Why not express your views on those sites where you may comfortably reassure people of like mind?

In the meantime, for those of you who chose to study, evaluate and critique the Africentric perspective on the origin of the Ancient Egyptians, we invite you to visit the February, 1997 issue of MA’AT. This monumental document presents a substantial body of evidence that conventional scholars, both Arab and European, choose to ignore.

Many Black scholars have presented the Africentric view on the "race" of the Ancient Egyptians. Their research has triggered a reevaluation of certain assumptions. For example, most Black Africans do not have thick lips and broad noses. There are four distinct Black African physical types. All were part of the Ancient Egyptian population. Secondly Ancient Egyptian drawings were largely conventional. This means that they clearly had a symbolic meaning that was not true to form. For example, the traditional reddish brown color used to portray all men (no matter what their true skin tone) may have represented the African "blood of life" concept. For religious purposes, Black Africans have painted their bodies red or reddish brown from time immemorial.

Therefore, one should not reach hard and fast conclusions about Egyptian ethnicity based on the color used in the tomb and pyramid drawings. Furthermore, even if the colors are accurate depictions of the people, a number of indigenous, unmixed Africans, like the Pygmies, have reddish brown skin tone. Yet no one would deny that these are "Black" African people. In light of this, if the Ancient Egyptians were indeed of reddish brown skin color, they were of the same color as modern Pygmies.

As many writers in the guestbook have attempted to explain, the original Black Egyptians were mixed with invading Libyans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Arabs and Western Europeans. This explains the genetic status of the modern Egyptian, who does not resemble his Black African forebears.

To truly determine the Ancient Egyptian "race," one must consider the full range of linguistic cultural, anatomical, archaeological and genetic evidence. One recent, nonblack scholar, Richard Poe ("Black Spark: White Fire: Did African Explorers Civilize Ancient Europe") (Prima Publishing, Rocklin, CA), has done just that and has reached the following conclusion: "Were the Egyptians black? That is entirely up to up to you. But were they biologically African? It would seem that they were."

We, of course, believe that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans and the following is a synopsis of some of the evidence that supports our view:

Evidence from Physical Anthropology

The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect that they were a Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

Melanin Dosage Test

Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated that these remains were of Black people.

Osteological Evidence

"Lepsius canon," which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the "ideal Egyptian" as "short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type."

Evidence From Blood Types

Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the "same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding."

The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves

"The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the negroes (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales," singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly negroes or at the very least black men. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of pharaonic Egypt as a black people."

Divine Epithets

Diop demonstrates that "black or negro" is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.

Evidence From the Bible

The Bible states that "…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah." According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the black."

Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa

Through a study of circumcision and totemism, Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa

In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.

Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors

Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.

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HI, THE HEBREWS WHICH IS OF EGYPTIANS/ETHIOPIANS BOTH ARE SAME IN LINEAGE... Don't surprised that Egyptian is Ethiopian, Ethiopian is Egyptian.. these two can not be divide by one name.. like two name was called of one lineage in jesus the messaish. the Attack on ethiopia lands by arabs and greeks army, Both lost thier husbands in struggle and knew what it meant to be a fugitives and Both suffered the agony of seeing one their sons taken into captivity. This is not lied to you.. That is clealy proof! Turly, truly, look In book of called Ezekiel the prophet 29:11 saying, " I will make the land of Egypt (lost)desolate,... and I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.. (ezekiel 30:13 there be no more a prince of the land of egypt).. I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries; and they shall know that I am the JAH. YOU WERE WENT INTO CAPTIVITY among NATIONS So the JEHOVAH "scattered" (the ethiopians,which is of the egyptians)them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; Because the JEHOVAH did there confound the language of all the earth: and thence did the JAH "scatter" (the ethiopians)them abroad upon the face of all the(nations)earth. .. Did you notice "scatter/ or scattered" which is spread, that why the(AFRICA OR EGYPT)HAM LAND of their father threw you on other land such as gentiles. you have preach the truth to other becuz whites/arabs claimed called"JEW". IT not true. there whites teach them false doctrines and various false things that egyptian/ethiopian were white, which you have seen.. if you won't do it, well, truly in the last day there will be The white kings and even ingore black of the earth worse hate and presecute againist you than ever now ..the white/arabs dont want you to find out the bible was came from AFRICA LAW... believe in me please! follow me to service him. Bible never lied to you, it prove you..the BIBLE IS OF NEGRO HISTORY!!.. God their fathers promise you that God will give you a land where you came from.. You will return into HAM's own land.. praise JAH!,AMEN. every written that processeth out of the mouth of GOD.>rick wrote.

RICK <Biblical followers Israelite of the HAM glorious lands>
Age: mmmrick, untied twelve tribes African Israelites, US USA - Thursday, April 08, 1999 at 03:47:01 (EDT)

HI, THE HEBREWS WHICH IS OF EGYPTIANS/ETHIOPIANS BOTH ARE SAME IN LINEAGE... Don't surprised that Egyptian is Ethiopian, Ethiopian is Egyptian.. these two can not be divide by one name.. like two name was called of one lineage in jesus the messaish. the Attack on ethiopia lands by arabs and greeks army, Both lost thier husbands in struggle and knew what it meant to be a fugitives and Both suffered the agony of seeing one their sons taken into captivity. This is not lied to you.. That is clealy proof! Turly, truly, look In book of called Ezekiel the prophet 29:11 saying, " I will make the land of Egypt (lost)desolate,... and I will "scatter" the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.. (ezekiel 30:13 there be no more a prince of the land of egypt).. So the JEHOVAH "scattered" (the ethiopians,which is of the egyptians)them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; Because the JEHOVAH did there confound the language of all the earth: and thence did the JAH "scatter" (the ethiopians)them abroad upon the face of all the(nations)earth. .. Did you notice "scatter/ or scattered" which is spread, that why the(AFRICA OR EGYPT)HAM LAND of their father threw you on other land such as gentiles. you have preach the truth to other becuz whites/arabs claimed called"JEW". IT not true. there whites teach them false doctrines and various false things that egyptian/ethiopian were white, which you have seen.. if you won't do it, well, truly in the last day there will be The white kings and even ingore black of the earth worse hate and presecute againist you than ever now ..the white/arabs dont want you to find out the bible was came from AFRICA LAW... believe in me please! follow me to service him. Bible never lied to you, it prove you..the BIBLE IS OF NEGRO HISTORY!!.. God their fathers promise you that God will give you a land where you came from.. You will return into HAM's own land.. praise JAH!,AMEN. every written that processeth out of the mouth of GOD.>rick wrote.

RICK <Biblical followers Israelite of the HAM glorious lands>
Age: mmmrick, untied twelve tribes African Israelites, US USA - Thursday, April 08, 1999 at 00:59:54 (EDT)

Hi There, I acknowledged that I actually am an native ETHIOPIAN JEW, I am brown-skinned and wooly hair. EGYTIANS,HEBREWS,AND ETHIOPIANS ARE CONSIDERED IN ONE LINEAGE OF HAM THE FLESH. WHY NOT YOU ACCPET THIS. NOT YOU ? GHE'EZ WAS EGYPTIAN/HEBREW... HEY DON'T SHAME WHO YOU ARE!

rick <Hi-There@blackkings>
Age: 27, sacto, ca USA - Wednesday, April 07, 1999 at 03:36:32 (EDT)

Hi Everybody, I wanted to tell you something add up to saying ., I wrote abt "egyptian-israel" from below. i just thought assumed on my own theory abt it in my vision mind. I dont mean that i know everything abt it.. Hey egypt which is africa or ham land that i give you an answer correct!. I do not talk about egypt in north area.. I know you were came from(HAM)egypt or africa. All the land of Egypt since it became a nation. Look at In book of Exodus 9:18,24; Psalm 105:23,27 and Psalm 106:7,21-22. We can live through the valley of (Desert)death. the casuasians/arabs can't live through the (wilderness)valley of death. I truly know that europe, arabs and some others are belong to egypt, then they will shame and die there where they are now ! Becuz there is go growing the famine spread all europe, arabs land to egypt now! the bible tell you. it was exactly revealed you. the bible wont lied to you.. the bible tell you that God promised you all that God will give the land to you there. please faith in your God. praise the LORD JAH, the God almighty!. I believed that egypt were colored(dark-skinned to olive-skinned),and all were wooly. ETHIOPIANS, EGYPTIANS, AND EVEN HEBREWS WERE THE SAME ALL COLORED. THEY WERE SAME IN THE LAND OF THEIR FATHER HAM. Now you see africa had been lost powerful and lost tribes, they became poor in general etc etc now... there is nothing king and queen in africa like as england now has queen and king their tradition for exist... you see african american were came from the EGYPT-ISRAELITES. (Canaan)Israel was from africa state is of HAM their Father,it was actually they were escaped and a fugitive and a vagabond to spreaded in the west africa and the east-south africa. that how romans captured them to brought up to slavery to sell etc, etc... you know that the africans are the Jew sons of God. they are jesus the same yesterday, and to-day, and forever. Amen the ALMIGHTY GOD! I can't hide from truth and me. the Truth set you free, or Truth could hurt you (as a SWORD SHALL PIERCE THORUGH THY OWN SOUL ALSO), please dont start get'MAD'at us. would you forgive me?, Thank you for share with my theory and comment! might God bless among you .. the word written your the flesh and your the(Blood)breath also! by every written that proceedeth out of the mouth of JAHwhich have been since the world began: ALLELUIA-JAH, AMEN!

RICK <CKFARBES@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, sacto, ca USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 20:58:33 (EDT)

Alafia, Hetepu, Shalom, Jambo, Salaam, Mikiyo, Wassup, Greetings to all. I see we have a few individuals who insist to dispose of the Egyptian is Black theory or Afrocentrism as racist ideology and a demented dialogue. I ask and challenge all those why is this the case. Has not Eurocentrism or the Aryan concept acheived this already? We now live in a world colonized by Europeans, so quite naturally, any thought that contradicts Eurocentric ideals will be branded as intrusive, disturbing mythology, feel good sentiment or in most cases, downright racist. Europeans have for centuries been the perpetuators of these kinds of activities, not Africans and the rest of the Majority World Peoples. One commentor says the Egyptians are related to the Dravidians, Onge and others of India, this is true. But let me show you the racist spin of this person. europeans have always tried to connect themselves to the Fertile Crescent, Harrapan, and Nile (Hapi) areas. They do this by coining the term Indo-European, which basically means the Aryans or the parent Caucasian group originated in the area of Iran. By making this claim, the Caucasian family is indirectly saying that the grandfathers and mothers of civilization are of the Indo-European branch. They also try to assert some mythical Meditterean group, which in plain terms is either an 100% Black African people or a 50% Black African people. Why do Europeans always speak of the "white" or Semitic North Africa? For the same reasons, they are now implying imperial China, as well as, pre-imperial China was generated by the minds of Huns and other Indo-European people. Is this not a myth created by the need for cultural imperialism and ultimately White Supremacy. Yes, that's why the commentor can in calling this site racist, but not filtering out the racist notions in his mind. Its cool when blacks just accept being butt-naked bootie scratchers but when these Negroes insist to make the Egyptians (a civilization more advanced than what any African can acheive)Black now these pitiful and backwards Negroes are racist, living in fantasy and moving backwards. Notice the language most arguers use, its imperialistic. So I question any entry with remarks that Negroes aren't and couldn't never be Egyptians as having an hidden agenda which could hinge on a psychological aspect. Why refute the claims made without ever saying why you do, except using your ignorant defenses to support you. This doesn't advance your point, it only makes you look more foolish. Odabo, Shem hetepu, Medase pii, Shalom, Salaam. Also, anyone for dialogue can E-mail me at Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com ALL NAYSAYERS WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS, NOT YOUR RHETORIC?

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:43:49 (EDT)

racism is a sickness and this site is racist and extremist. this site is a step back not a step forward. if race didn't matter then this site wouldn't exist. you are not egyptians. no body is going to accept you as one, grow up and get out of your fantasy.

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:04:45 (EDT)

egypt was a semetic north and a black nubian south. egypt was not a black country in the strictest sence. egyptians resembled and still do for the most part people from india, pakistan, arabia and israelites. no egyptian or anyone else from the world is going to beleive in the black fantay that egyptians were black. afrocentrism was brought to bring black pride to black americans, even if it meant bending the truth and denying egypt's genetic diversity, which is so so so obvious. egypt will never accept you as its daughters...EVER.

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:02:36 (EDT)

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USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 13:02:33 (EDT)

Hi my brothers and sisters, I read all various comments... I actually am believed that the Egyptians were colored or a brown-skinned and woolly hair also as well alike as Ethiopians..... So I admit you that i read the bible, it telling you the truth that Egyptian and Hebrew were the same colored! you cant even say in denial! All of you who said, " THE HIEROGLIH WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR THE CASUASIANS/ARABS! they could never understand.. that is right .. just like the bible is too tooo complcated for the white/arab foreigh peoples... becuz the king james bible was the EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. just not be surprised that the real egyptian who was written the book copied from the hieroglpyphic walls where special room for law and etc, before the whites and arabs foreign invaded the egpyt. they relocated to upper egyptain-israel, it was safe book hidded in there, etc etc some how babylons invaded egyptian-israel of jerusalem captial... he found it.. anyhow it was speard to over all world.... i acknowleged that the king james bible it was came from HOLY EGYPT.. other, tell you , you should ask others came from egypt who denied that egyptian was black, then ask them if they knew abut their ancestors of pharaoh or rameses and worship Ra. if not, that obviously they aren't from. they are not a certian jew or egyptian.. they follow after other gods called ALLAH.. there are white wrtie on their own now and also arabs wrtie on their own. they now polluted their own destruction way. they both tried beat the origin king james bibe from egyptian Israel. but it will overcome them I believed that i am one of the lost ten tribes of Egyptian-Israelties... believe me please ... i beg you to read king james bibe will tell you the truth.. it is really a strong characteristic of black way.. you will undersand it .. i beg you to read the bible of king james.. it is your besy friend, amen allueia!. you should proud of yourself who you are! you are the BLOOD OF EGYPT KINGS and QUEENS IN your veins and souls. the KING OF KINGS and QUEENS in the black fellas. rick

rick <ckfarbes@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, sacramento, ca USA - Tuesday, April 06, 1999 at 10:06:40 (EDT)

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Abdul Kareem Ibraheem Al Sa'ali <aswad@talk21.com>
Age: 34, LONDON ENGLAND - Sunday, April 04, 1999 at 19:03:33 (EDT)

Legrand: I really enjoyed your website. Very interesting assortment of opinions presented here--quite informative. Thank you for your devotion to research such subject matter. there are those who will be in denial of possible truths for a lifetime. To them be the darkness of racist attitudes and viewpoints. When we know our origins we also have a much clearer view of our future and potential for success. I enjoyed our conversation that Sunday evening--you should try to swim more often--it's great for the stress too. I'm still researching the information on the South American healer. Talk to you real soon. Take care of yourself.

Michael Hill <Sirach@pacbell.net>
Age: 45, Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, March 31, 1999 at 13:37:32 (EST)

An arrow pierces the souls of those who rule, thru racism and deceit, heard the meek shall inherit the earth, so now it's the turf we the meek seek; they can never understand slave whips and chains can make a brown skin go insane, and yet they constantly ask us why we complain; they will never know that the negro is greater than they can ever be, our blood spilled on the land and our cries wash the waves of the sea; we are everywhere that's why we are defined so vague, or given a negative value, like the Blak of the plague in European land we traveled; we are strong and renewed wit true sense of strength and our words of power are constantly being decipher for it's own empowering content; they steal our tongues and encourage us hate our spiritual speech, that's because they know it's thru our thoughts they can make us weak. If you understand the symbolism, you understand the light and therefore you are dangerous....Danja Da Blak Man is all of you beautiful blak people.

Danja Da Blak Man a Moor <symbols kill those who hate us>
Age: 1555, Al' Andalus Alkebulan New Azania, +>- Republic of New Afrika - Tuesday, March 30, 1999 at 16:43:41 (EST)

I truly enjoy your page and I have done so for over a year and a half. Please e-mail me when you update to 1999!. Peace Ra's Spirit

A. Raheim <RasSpirit@aol.com>
Age: 47, Baltimore, MD USA - Monday, March 29, 1999 at 08:47:31 (EST)

typical negro nonsense.

youcab <youcab@farraCon.Con>
Age: 1999, USA - Sunday, March 28, 1999 at 23:56:26 (EST)

******PROPOSAL******* As we are gaining this information and knowledge, I believe we need to collect our Afrcan truth in a textbook format for the future generations. We need to start establishing more schools or if not we need to lobby African-centered history into the public schools. These books do not neccessary have to be made available to every student, but with students of African descent this should be mandatory. As well, we need to come out of the closet and anyone who can write needs to write. The only way we can offset the Eurocentric thought is to provide African centered paradigms. You must fight a system with a system. Also, Black nationalism needs to become more apparent and put into a proper perspective, not as a weapon of hate, but a pillar of Black liberation and redemption. BUT WE DO NEED TO WRITE BLACK HISTORY BOOKS. Europeans have been writing history books for years and mostly lies within them. LET US WRITE IT AS TRUTH.

RIGHTEOUS MIND <(uNiversalBLKthought)>
New Fienso, BLK New Afrika - Saturday, March 27, 1999 at 11:28:33 (EST)

******PROPOSAL*******

RIGHTEOUS MIND
USA - Saturday, March 27, 1999 at 11:18:46 (EST)

*L* DAVE SEEMS YOUR OUT NUMBERED

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, March 26, 1999 at 14:50:27 (EST)

Dave: Stop acting like you've never seen a person you would consider black (under different circumstances) with red hair and a hooked nose. What do you think - we're all stupid. Why do you access this site anyway? What we think doesn't even concern you unless you have some melanin.

Wisdom is Eternal
USA - Thursday, March 25, 1999 at 19:29:06 (EST)

In a previous post, I stated Homo erectus was before Homo habilis, this is untrue. H. habilis dates back to sometime around 2 million years ago, whereas, H. erectus is present at 1.5 million years ago. Another mistake I made was referring to the Khoikhoin of Southern Africa as the Hottentot, which is a degradatory Afrikaaner term. Please forgive my past mistakes as I will strive more efficiently to filter out these types of errors in future comments. Besides these errors, I still hold true to my hypothesis concerning the genetical and morphological relationship of the so-called "Capoid" people of Southern Africa and Mongoloid races of Asia. There is no denying the close affinity of these two groups. To further complicate the situation, there are various groups in the Oceania area that are to be taken into consideration as an African people, i.e. the extinct Tasmanian, Papuans of New Guinea, Semang of Malaysia, the Melanesians, the Micronesians, the Polynesians (especially the Maori who have a 50%+ of the African genotype cDe, which is comparable to Indians on the Northwest Pacific Coast of North America). In these groups of people are certain genotypical or phenotypical factors, which eludes to African affiliation, although they may vary in hair texture (type), skin color (although never white), cephalic index, and nasal bridge. Eventhough considering these differences, we must be cognizant that between Australian Aborgines, physical appearances range from dark skin, blond curly hair and concave nasal indexes to brown skin, woolly hair and convex nasal indexes, yet they all constitute a consistent genetic population. Therefore what this data alone, we can beyond a shadow of a doubt conclude that, although some Kamau, "Egyptians" differed from the stereotypical image of Black Africans that still can not be classified as any different, because if we can do this an Ibo of Nigeria is of a different race from the Zulu of Transvaal. We must understand that there will not be a total uniformity within any race, but if the essential morphological, genetical, and cultural (including linguistical) factors conform to a parent group, that a race is established. Europeans understand this, despite their worldly biases, that's why they go even further to divide race into geographical subraces, knowing that different areas of a continent will produce a specific characteristic, i.e. the long slender body build and darker complexion of the Nilotes of East Africa. To end this dicussion, we quote the racist Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, "In Libya, which is mostly desert and oasis, there is a visible Negroid element in the sedentary populations, and the same is true of the Fellahim of Egypt, whether Copt or Muslim. Osetological studies have shown that the Negroid element was stronger in predynastic times than at present, reflecting an early movement northward along the banks of the Nile, which were then heavily forested." I ask where did the ancient Kamau say their ancestors came from and in what direction did they move? And was Ethiopia or Egypt the first civilizing empire on the earth? Medase pii.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah, Ankobia Organization <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, March 24, 1999 at 13:17:41 (EST)

There is brewing outstanding evidence on the forefront. Will we take advantage of the info and discover our own truth as it relates to Afrikan and Black peoples the world over or will we allow mind colonizers to control the knowledge for their own manipulative designs. We as aware individuals must become the vanguard in defining the reality of our existence, if not we are destined for demise. To each and all Afrikan people gaining some insight into the historical suns of Afrikan people, I advise you to develop skills of propaganda and disseminate the word needed for the redemption of Afrikan people. Throughout the Western society, there is a school of mis-education, this mis-education affects both people of color and non-people of color. They are being miseducated in area of facts concerning history, archeology, anthropology, hematology, and others fields relevant to human development. This is to keep the mind state of individuals operating at a low degree of memeorized and rote learning intelligence. This why, dave can come on this website and speak his unsupported beliefs concerning Afrikans. Miseducation keeps whites ignorant of the truth and blacks in a persistent of inferiority. It this miseducation which maintains White Supremacy and its extending forms, i.e. racism, social and political inequality, unwise and unfair discrimination, cultural imperialism. We must not stand for this any longer, no we must fight the powers that be and diminsh the asili (cultural seed) of White Supremacy.

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Monday, March 22, 1999 at 20:39:20 (EST)

and Pharaoh. I see we are having a discussion on the ethnicity of Rameses II with our old friend Dave. Dave, good to see ya again, how's it been going. Rameses II can never be linked to any racial group outside of the indigenous Afrikan one, that one I may add is the so-called Negroid group. We can never classify one based upon actual and assumed phenotypical characteristics, this is anthropologically and genetically absurb. Dave, would say that Italians are no more Caucasiod European than someone from Finland or rather Iceland. Yes, we all have our typical well rather stereotypical interpretations for what each racial group's traits are, but when we are colored by the idea of White supremacy and white supremacist thought, our stereotypical conclusions are even more perverted to fit into the Eurocentric context, which denies any one outside of the European race the bulk of, if not, a minute contribution to civilization. Because of White supremacy we can not fathom the idea that each racial group origin inside of Africa via the Black race. Most times anthropology will profess an African origin of "humaniods", but stops short of saying Homo Sapien Sapien evolved only in Africa. Yes, anthropology teaches Homo erectus (who is even below Homo habilis) was an African creature, but he left Africa and colonize other parts of the world with his primitive socities which in turn gave birth to Homo habilis then Homo sapien (archaic). This is called the polycentric view of Human evolution, as oppose to the Eve hypothesis, which states "all" of humanity rose from Africa and the Black race. I have just exposed the White supremacy inside of today's modern and liberal interpretation of Human evolution. Recently, a scientific magazine reported after testing 63 different groups across the world, including 18 from Africa, that the African groups showed the greatest disparity in reasons to genetic pattern than any one else. What does this mean? It means that within the African continent you have various groups that can only be defined by their phenotype (and sometimes not that) than their actual genotype. It also means that the world populations, excluding the African, shows more genetic conformity to each other than than those on the African continent from one Black African to another Black African. Thus, we can include this evidence in the argument that Black African people are the originators of the HUE-MAN race. This new evidence smashes the notion of polycentric development, confirms the facts of African origin of humanity, as well, as the idea that different races sprung from certain African groups, i.e. Asian races have a link with San Bushman, Hottentot, and Twa pygmy (symmetry of the Y chromosomes are similiar, yellow complexion, height, blood grouping, Negritos of Philipines, and usual lack of epicantic fold), and it reinforces the ethncity of Egyptians, including Ramses II, with the indigenous African group. We must not let the usual classification of racialist anthropologists deceive us into believing false thoughts or we are destined to fall into an abyss of unscholarly, unscientific, and unlogical thought. Dave, do your research before spewing out your miseducation. Medase pii.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, March 21, 1999 at 14:52:19 (EST)

PEACE and LOVE to you Osei, and to all of our Brothers and Sisters in the struggle!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Friday, March 19, 1999 at 21:21:30 (EST)

RAMESES THE SECONG ACTUALLY WAS NEGRO AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT 1. DARREL FITZGERALD HAS A NOSE THAT IS HOOKED AND HAS RED HAIR BUT HE'S A NEGRO AS MUCH AS I AM 2 CHEIK DI ANTHOP TOOK AS TELECASTED MELANIN TEST ON RAMSES THE SECONDS MUMMY A PROJECT THE ARAB-EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT SO LONG WANTED TO DEMOLISH BU HEY THE TRUTH COMES OUT SOMETIME WE IN SAYING THE TEST WAS IN PUT AND THE RESULTS CAME BACK AND IT EXPLAINED THAT RAMESES HAD A TINT DARK BROWN COMPLEXTION FOUND AMOUNGST MANY NEGROES IN AFRICA AND AMERICA, IT WAS PROVED HE WAS AFRICAN AND ONE OF THE TALLEST AFRICAN THE MELANIN TEST RESULTS WERE EXACT AND IT PROVED RAMSES WAS NEGRO, AFRICAN, AND IF HE WERE ALIVE IN THE U.S TODAY MOST WHITE SCHOLARS WOULD CALL HIM A LIAR IF HE EXPLAINED HIS IDENTITY. 3. THE RED HAIR MATTER IS USELESS, ANTHOP STATED IT WAS CLEARLY DUE TO THE MANY TEST TAKEN ON HIM THAT THE EX-RAY CIRCULAR HAD COLORED HIS HAIR A REDDISH TONEFROM THE ORIGINAL BROWN 4. IF YOU DID YOUR HOME WORK IN ANCIENT EGYPT IT WAS A MERE CURSE FROM THE god PTAH OF MEMPHIS TO BE A BREED OF RED HAIRED MEN IN OTHER WORDS ITS MOST IN SAYING THE EGYPTIANS WERENT WHITE THEY DIDNT COLOR THEMSELVES WHITE THEY DIDNT WANT TO BE WHITE THEY KEPT THERE LAND SECURED FROM WHITE AND ASIACTIC THAT MEANS YOU TOO ARABS FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MESSED OVER THE CULTURE AND DESIGNATED IT AS A LIE RAMSES THE SECOND WAS CROWNED PHARAOH A NEGRO AND DIED A NEGRO...

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, March 19, 1999 at 15:58:17 (EST)

Take a look at the mummy of Ramesses II and tell me it not straight red hair.Ramesses had a hooked nose and red hair and still expect people to believe he was black.Your in denial!

Dave
USA - Friday, March 19, 1999 at 04:01:40 (EST)

Bro. Jawanza, I didn't mean to come across as attacking you or anything like that. We both agree on the same things and it is my hand I tilt to you. I understand now and in depth. I wish you peace and strength in the struggle. Odabo.

Osei
USA - Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 21:51:39 (EST)

I'm not really talking about religion, but more of words, language, and expression. The word god is, according to the quote I posted recently, of pagan European origin. Also, Africa, and African worship of Elohim, preceded the Slave trade by far. By at least 5000 years. Adam, and Eve worshipped The Creator, of Whom I refer to as Yahweh Elohim. The African Hebrew Israelites worshipped Yahweh Elohim as well. Remember, in the beginning all humans were African. Again I am saying that, in our Slave and colonial tongue (English) the word god as coined by the Europeans was coined to identify their pagan object of worship. It had no reference to the Creator of the Universe. We must call out to our Master in Faith. No matter your name for Him, if He created the Universe, His Divine Laws, and Principles are constant. He is about Love, and Life!!! He knows who means to call Him. So Africans call That Sweet Name!!! Call out to Him in Faith! NOMMO!!!

Jawanza
- Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 19:56:28 (EST)

THE SAME REASON DARRELL FITZGERALD HAS RED HAIR BUT HE'S NEGRO

CHARLES COLBERT
USA - Thursday, March 18, 1999 at 15:19:46 (EST)

Bro. Jawanza, your words are understood, but I believe its sad that, whether we choose to accept West Afrikan religions or not, we are often deterred from recognizing West Afrikan spiritual traditions' validity because of our indoctrination to a so-called "monothesistic" European ideology. Within the framework of European cultural imperialism in the form of Christianity, any opposing religious thought is considered backwards and unenlightened to the "word" of GOD-So Dayi. I believe it is imperative to understand the ancestral rituals and the principle behind those as comprehensively as we do the Judeo-Christian format. Oftimes, you will have Afrikan conscious individuals debasing Afrikan traditions such as Vodou as idol worship. This implication hints to a severe and perverted misunderstanding of Afrika and her people. How can one be conscious? We have been able to shake off apprehensiveness of taking Afrikan names, eating Afrikan food, wearing Afrikan clothes, speaking Afrikan languages, but we have yet to come to grips with Afrika in terms of religious traditions outside of the Afrikan religious traditions exposed to us through our enslavement. One can not be totally free, until one decolonizes the mind and break all chains of Western ideological enslavement. I agree various call Onyame different names, but can we also say that Odin (Norse chief god) or Ahurda-Madza (Aryno-Iranian Godhead) are the same as Manu-Lisa or Elohim?

Osei
USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 21:51:40 (EST)

I believe that there was a curse of Canaan and Canaan was the Youngest son of Noah concieived after the flood. But Canaan was also the name of the grandson also so there was two a youngest son and an grndson. shem Japheth and Ham and the Grandson of Ham were black but the youngest son dispced the hamitc canaanites and spread all over the world and thus are known today as the white man. That is why they are so adamant for us to be known as inferior they were the ones without noah's blessing. Do not believe their interpretations and lies. What is their true biblical reason for hating us. GOd says nothing against the black race, so what is their satanic excuse what are they hiding. If anything blacks have always been amongst the most moralistic people of ancient, past, present and of course future times. WHo is so eager to point up crime. WHile crime in the streets is so easily visible. It is the hidden crimes and cults and occults, child sex abuse and witch craft and govenmental secret scandals and new age religoions that belong and were founded here in America. They are the Jews and our enemies why do you think the Arian blue eyed blondes hate jews so. WHy do you think that they hate the blacks so. Canaan was to be a slave to his brothers SHem, ham and Japheth. THey had wiped out the paleolithic Canaanites who were canaanites and set up their systems of Idolotry. what is the basis of their hatred. THey know who they are. who has written so many books on black inferiority. One might say what of the racial epithets in the Torah and by Moslems they had been brainwashed by contact by the evil white canaanites. Look under the sites for canaan here on the net notice they name a lot of their resorts canaan. I wonder why it a true admission of who they are. THey hate us the african americans because we observed and witnessed their ancestor canaan taking liberalities on Noah. God does not lie it was the youngest son Noah. If it was Ham's son it would have said he cursed Ham's son. But the Word says it he knew what his youngest son did to him.

Darlene Colbert <none>
Age: 28, clinton, md USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 19:56:53 (EST)

What I'm saying is...this thing is real deep. This mentacide, mis-information, imperialism, and systemic tainting of our expression, goes real deep. It even tries to attack The Divine Laws and Principles. Even to the extent of our Spiritual expression, where an African in when calling, or making reference to his Creator, can end up using a term that was used by Europeans addressing their pagan object. What Mr. Merrill is saying is that, the very term, or title, or word god, was coined for pagan use, by these Europeans for their use in pagan worship. I don't think Elohim holds this against us today. Especially as some unknowingly use this title (god) in reference Him, The Creator. " He winks at us in our ignorance." I believe that no matter what name we choose to call The Creator (as we do so in spirit, and in truth, and out of love, and respect for Him), He accepts. He accepts our call, as we call out to Him in Faith. HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 17:06:18 (EST)

If all the ancient egptians were black why does the mummy of Ramesses II have red hair? If you dont believe me you can cheak it out for yourself.

Dave
USA - Wednesday, March 17, 1999 at 15:53:01 (EST)

Not to offend anyone, but you did know the religions within the Judeo-Christian paradigm are not the only teachings to come forth out of Africa? Yes it is fine and dandy we know the Hebraic name for GOD, but what about the Akan or Yoruba Personal names for the Godhead? Are we forsaking our ancestors by calling on an external, not the internal, teachings of religion of our slave masters? I encourage you all to read Marimba Ani's Yurugu and thoroughly analyze her thesis comparing or actually the utilization of Christianity to further European cultural imperialism and expansion. Let's also note that Christianity and Judaism are patriarchal in hierarchy which is the anti-thesis to our West Afrikan traditions. Many West Afrikan traditions profess hardly the patriarchial rigidness the Judeo-Christian religions do. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Christianity and Judaism didn't start in Africa, but the present day forms are greatly perverted from the original teachings. As a matter of fact, many of the old beliefs would be deemed heretical and paganistic by today's standards, which is essentially Greek, Roman Catholic and Anglican Protestant inspired. Some of these beliefs are the matriarchial ascension, presence of the Goddess in the configuration of the Godhead, the concept of the angels (deities), idea that Yashua represented a spiritually evolved being no more divine in essence than any other individual born of a woman (he was an initiate in the Kemetic High Culture and Science school of Learning-"Mystery school"), the knowledge of Yashua being a Savior to the Nation by being a husband and a father. But my brothers and sistas do not forsake your ancestors' spiritual traditions for one introduced to you by your oppressor. To do so is to attest to the level of Afrikan consciousness you have actually attained. Don't be a victim of Black spiritual inferiority, where you really believe the Western Hollywoodian Christian fundamental propaganda that Afrikan traditions like Vodou, Kongo, Ifa, Palo and others are nothing but childish nonsense and devil worship. If you buy into this reality than you are no more than a causality of White Supremacy and Afrikan Inferiority. The only difference is you just colored White supremacy and its doctrine Black and ascribed it an "Egyptian" origin. Medase.

Osei
USA - Tuesday, March 16, 1999 at 21:50:54 (EST)

Brothers and Sisters check this quote from Richard Merrill. He is referring to the use of the name God. Take note that the original Hebrews were African, African Hebrew Israelites. "That word and its near pronunciations were used by ancient tribes of Europe to refer to an object of pagan worship before the introduction of Christianity. Earlier editions of Webster's dictionary say "god" had no relationship to good. Elohim is the Hebrew reference to the Creator. Yahweh is His distinguishing personal name. This ancient Afro/Asiatic pronunciation is gaining universal acceptance rather than Jehovah, an improper European form that bagan in the late middle ages."

Jawanza
- Monday, March 15, 1999 at 13:30:50 (EST)

To Tha Bang: I have heard other people came up with the same notion, could there possibly be some truth to this? I think you should look more into this extraterresial theory and drain as much as possible out of it you can. This could be some radical news, indeed controversial. If you can began to pinpoint some real variables you may have a solid case, as solid as the notion of Afrikan inferiority. As you know, they are constantly writing books about ET contacts and 1st encounters. Some people have even went as far as to divide the different human subspecies (strains) to various cosmological bodies as a point of origin, for example: Pleidians from Pleidias, Sirians from Sirius, and the like. Could this have some relevance? Again Tha Bang look into this, you could have a mind shocker. Good Luck and Hotep.

Conspiracy Theorist <UPinSMOKE@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, March 15, 1999 at 12:04:17 (EST)

people i submit this theory to you; that white people have an extra terrestrial origin,ie. they are aliens. consider their features; small slits for lips, pale skin that cannot tolerate the sun on this earth, their peristent bid to blast off to the stars, and the fact that ufo encounters only happen to them. you notice that they are unable to relate to GOD and nature and it is their subconcious urge to go back home? wherever that is. well its just something i've been thinking about and thought you might like to know...thank GOD for technology, huh? if egypt has always been what it is today, racially, what happened to the religion? why is it that a people with such a highly developed sense of the stars and the GODS and the afterlife can just one day give it up for, of all things, islam or christianity? these religions cannot begin to understand GOD, espicially the christians. note that i'm referring to GOD not jesus or mohamed. what happened to all the knowledge that is supposed to have gone up in flames at alexandria? what happened to your way of life egyptians? you did not have the whites on your case like we did (by the way i'm black) for so long, and you know that you can't have any genuises for nation-building when constantly being chased from one place to the next and being shot at and being enslaved, etc. so tell me what happened??? ancient egyptians learnt the art of magic, what is commonly referred to now as black magic, in the mystery system. now where on this earth do you see black magic besides in africa? since egypt is not part of africa these days. i think that its important to step away from the intellectual and academic bullshit and, for a second, look at logic and common sense if we are to move forward in this argument. common sense is the only way we will understand the facts. egypt will always remain a mystery until we fit the missing piece of the puzzle in; BLACK. people lets have the courage to accept facts the way they are, black and "olive" skinned egyptians. otherwise we will not go anywhere. (by the way i thought olives were either black or green and,correct me if i'm wrong, there are no green people, except for the incredible hulk...i guess that would explain how stone blocks too heavy for any modern machine would be used to build pyramids (but the hulk is too dumb to build anything which, therefore kills the green people theory). this is just something i've been thinking about for everyones consideration...i don't know i could be talking rubbish...maybe?

thabang <thabang@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, USA - Sunday, March 14, 1999 at 18:08:26 (EST)

To "Q": Yes, a few Afrikans are living in slum conditions the world over, but let's take into account the fact that Europeans have effectively exploited and downgraded these people. Once you are deprived of any thread of prosperity, you will exhibit various degrees of poverty, whether this be in economic, cultural, historical or psychological terms. I use the example of the monkey deprived of all social interaction, you know the imfamous study. This experimental simian was unconfident with his new surroundings and displayed anti-social behavior when brought around his ancestral primate society. If any thing, black people's problems are not innately their own creation. Yes, I will admit sometimes we perpetuate the ills affecting us but that's because our level of self-determination and will has been stunted by a systematically oppressive machine known as imperialism, laisse faire and colonialism. Revealing the true historical background of Afrikans and their descendants is highly relevant to the idea of Afrikan redemption and nation building. One can never know the future outcome without understanding the past teachings and applying them responsibly. Once the truth of Afrika and Afrikans is accepted as gospel in the minds of unconscious people, you will notice a renaissance in the Black community pressed upon by a reawakening of vanguard thought processes. Another twist to the present economic conditions of 'ghetto' folks is the 250 some years of free labor given by their ancestors for the enrichment of the now wealthy slavers and slavers children. There can be no argument for the equality and fairness of advancement in the world because Afrikans were never given that chance in a reasonably manner, besides the now wealthy populous is eternally indebted to the lowly and despised inhabitants of the world for their astronomical fiscal gains. The only way Afrikans can be given a fair playing ground is if the descendants of Afrikan prisoners are reimbursed for the toil their ancestors contributed the universal standard of living, this means reparations. This is the only way to establish an even start. Again, to know one's past is to empower one for the struggles of the next age and to arm one with a sense of identity and strength is to prepare one for greatness. Side note: Kmt was a creation of the Ethiopian Empire, so to speak of Kmt one would have to give reverance to the ancient Kushites, the founders of the first social organized civilization. Thank you for reading my humble thoughts.

Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh....Ankobia Organization
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 19:12:42 (EST)

Even if the ancient Egyptians were black what use will it do you youll still be stuck in the ghetto and by gerrymandering around alot of historical facts is going to alienate black people all over the from the society they are living in.

"Q"
USA - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 09:56:24 (EST)

I enjoyed your website and I myself t this tim is resarching for a book that I am writing.It is dealing with Ancient Africa and Freemasonry.I was hoping that I could retrieve some thoughts on this subject and informaton that will assist me in this important task that I have taken upon myself.I also welcome you to my website.

Burrell McKelphin <her-em-ahket@WEBTV.net>
Age: 28, Buffalo, ny USA - Monday, March 08, 1999 at 11:51:23 (EST)

Burrell McKelphin <her-em-ahket@WEBTV.net>
Age: 28, Buffalo, ny USA - Monday, March 08, 1999 at 11:24:35 (EST)

HE'S RIGHT PEOPLE WE HAVE TO GET UP AND TAKE THIS WORLD BACK AND SUPPLY IT UNDER OUR FIST WE HAVE TO BELIVE THAT JESUS IS GOD AN AS WE HIS SERVENTS WILL RETURN UNTO US OUR WORLD AND OUR HISTORY FOR LONG HAS THE WHITE,SEMITE,CAUCASION.ETC. OPPRESSED US OF OUR NATURAL HISTORY AND IT STARTS WITH GRIPPING EGYPT FROM OUT OF THE MEDITERANEAN AND CLINCH IT BACK TO THE AFRICAN NILE VALLEY THE BOSSOM OF OUR NUBIAN ANCESTORS WHO MIGRATED TO EGYPT TO BECOME THE ANCIENTS OF THE PAST WE ARE OUR PHARAOHS OVERSEERS HIGH PRIEST QUEENS CANDICES PRINCES PRINCESSES WE BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND THEY WERE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT NUBIANS THE EGYPTIANS REARED THE NUBIANS AS LIKE "gods" IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUE MEANING OF THE WORD OR TITLE "PHARAOH" IT MEANS "vizier to the king of kush" FOR BEFORE EGYPT THE THATS WHAT THE TITLE PHARAOH MEANT THUS THE"PHAROAH" MIGRATED WITH FELLOW KUSHITES AND ORIGINATED EGYPT THUS "PHAROAH" THE VIZIER OR SON OF THE KING OF KUSH BECAME THE LAND LEADER AND CALLED THE LAND "KEMET" WHICH MEANS "LAND OF BLACK MEN, OR THE LAND IN WHICH MAN HAST BECOME ONE WITH RA AND HIS DARK SKIN IS LIKE WISE" THUS AS TIME EVOLED THE KEMETIANS BECAME GREATER THAN ITS PREDESSESORS AN THUS VERIOUS WARS BECAME ,,IN WORD WHEN IT IS METIONED "THE TWO LAND" TO OF THE ANCIENTS IT IS TO MEAN "THE TWO LANDS EGYPT AND KUSH" ON HERE I HEARD A CAUCASIAN MAN FOR HE IS COME LIKE US HE REVEALED AN IMPORTANT ISSUE CONCERNING EGYPT SE SAYS:in greek the word EGYPT by the ancient greeks is meant black for it was KEMET first then EGYPT was used to depict the land" AND WHY CALL HERADOTUS A LIAR WHEN HE SAID" THE EGYPTIANS WERE DARK SKINNED AND WHOLLY HAIRED....

PHARAOH
USA - Saturday, March 06, 1999 at 09:38:41 (EST)

The Racist kill the truth just like they killed Jesus and we all know he was Black.The Bible says that He is the Bright Morning Star"Or Lucifer" With a Rod and Staff in hands,the symbols of the Pharoahs So we the Blacks are the Beginning and End of all things Alpha and Omega Wake up Black people the Bible is Our story. We are the seed of Kings you can debate all you want the first people created where Black so we are all people no matter what race. We are the G.O.DS Gomar. Oz. Dabar Beauty, Wisdom, and Strenth. All this time from 1600 to 2000 = 400yrs of slavery in a New Egypt called Amerika Thats why all Our symbols are on the back of the dollar bill. The Racist took Our own knowlege and used it against us. But there time is up. They lie because if WE find out that like Jesus that WE were meant to be Pharoahs like He was then the White rule would end and the ROD and Staff would be put back in the hands of its rightful owners . BLACK PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! The Bible promised that The Ethopians(Black people)would always have a flesh and blood King or Pharoah on Glory Seat forever and ever, so that when one Kings time was over another one would take his place for all time for as long as the Sun shall rise and set We have been here from the Begining. We are the First that were made Last and the Last that will be First again. We are the Heroes of old The Nephilm but we are not evil. Thats another lie. And thats why they hate us. Brother and Sistahs wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!from njudah I bid you Hotep....

nathaniel <njudah@home.com>
- Friday, March 05, 1999 at 20:02:52 (EST)

hey can i be in it i want to act when will the next clegg production be in service?

james thompson <pharoah52@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, March 05, 1999 at 15:47:38 (EST)

To The Avalon Man The "Daughters of Isis" is currently still in production. We hope to complete it this year. The throne-scene that you mentioned is to be a part of The Daughters of Isis. Thank you for your interest in The Clegg Series. As soon as production is complete, we shall contact you. Legrand H. Clegg II

helen
USA - Thursday, March 04, 1999 at 21:21:20 (EST)

The latest issue of MA'AT on Black Madonnas in Europe is "must reading." Keep it coming!

Rodney Jordan <raj@melanet.com>
USA - Thursday, March 04, 1999 at 13:08:18 (EST)

To those of you who are still divided on what constitutes true black or African facial characteristics (debating on broad noses, wooly hair etc.), please be aware that current developments in genetics have determined that all men & women share a common African ancestor, a black woman gave birth to all the races of the world. In Africa, you can find many variations on the universal theme. Don't look in one part of Africa and hold up one phenotype to represent the whole. It is remarkable that most of you who keep debating on facial characteristics have conveniently forgotten that if you take a look around Africa or Black America - that you find all kinds of faces...black faces...brown faces...yellow..and even white amongst them. It seems that when in discussion of Egypt and the human imagery from these peoples you mistake thin noses and various hair textures as an indication of Caucausoid. But in America where you see black people who look like this every day, you have no problem with identifying them as black. You're all hypocrites. I despise hypocrites and lies. Dividing mankind into certain groups based on facial characterisitics is stupid because all of you come from us whether you like it or not. Take any racial type from anywhere on the planet, say a chinese, and I gurantee you can find the exact replica in Africa, only with more melanin. Take a German, darken the skin, darken the hair, you will find an African that looks just like him. We of Africa are the many parts that represent the whole of humanity. There is no denying or getting away from origin - no matter what lies you perpetuate. My brothers and sisters keep truth alive.

Truth
Age: ?, USA - Sunday, February 28, 1999 at 14:10:49 (EST)

I heard some one speak of Nubia as the elder of Egypt. I want to say I agree and we don't focus on this fact. It was in this area where the foundations of Egypt were laid. The Nubia/Ethiopia area, may the Creator bless. Uhuru Sasa, Zimbabwe revisited. We africans created the civilized world. And we were and still are BLACK.

ZIMBABWE REVISITED
USA - Saturday, February 27, 1999 at 17:17:58 (EST)

TIME SHALL FORWARD ITS OWN PURPOSE

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, February 27, 1999 at 16:13:35 (EST)

of the Western Semitic languages, which are three Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic. Therefore using this Aramaic is the root language. I have a question is Ethiopic semitic enuff to you, Semitic writers?

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 17:01:51 (EST)

Although, I'm not a professor or the like, please excuse my grammatical errors that might slightly distort my message. Semitic is not spelled Semetic, excuse me for that. Also, I meant to say we need to focus on the anteriority of Nubia in comparison to Kmt. I feel if we do these people would not invade this message area and spew their opinions of white supremacy, because they can not disprove Nubia's connection to Africoid people. A question why when refering to Enia Dudu (Black peoples) some people continually used the mythical term "Negroid", Europeans are "Caucasoid" (Caucasus Mountains), Asians are "Mongoloid" (Mongolia) but we are "Negroids" like Malcolm said, "Where is Negro-land?" To use this word speaks the colonized mind state of the users with the framework of White Supremacy. Also, the indigeous inhabitants of the Pacific islands are called "Negritos or the Pacific Branch of the Negroid peoples". We are not "Negroids" or "Negroes" (read in Necro-dead, or "knee-gro"). This was a public announcement! Herodotus was right about the Eastern Ethiopian and the Western Ethiopian, the Western Ethiopian are the African and Arabian blacks and the Eastern Ethiopian comprise of the Dravidians, Melansians (Melanin people of New Guinea (New land of Blacks), Micronesians, Polynesians, Australian Aborgines, Andamanese. We as the Enia Dudu or Majority people are vast and not confined to the political or today's Africa. Respect.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 16:54:11 (EST)

For those who continue to insist Egypt is a Semetic language, I would refer you to Theophile Obenga's research on the genetic and linguistic connections of Kmt's tongue and the Semetic group. Also, many come to this conclusion of a Semetic origin based upon data recorded by turn-of the century German linguists, who themselves never placed the language of Kemet in the Semetic group. These individuals, themselves, felt Kmt was more appropriate in the Hamitic group of the Hamito-Semetic (Afro-Asiastic) language marco-phylum. Theophile Obenga, who is an accomplished linguist, compares not the lack of vowels in the Hamito-Semitic group, but the lack of consistency of these groups. For one in Hebrew peace is shalom, Arabic peace is salaam, Aramaic sm, but in constrast to these typical semetic languages peace is hetep, or htp if you will, in the Kmt tongue. Dr. Obenga, also, compares Kmt's word structures to African languages today, where you can find many forms of sun, ra, in Africa like ra, re', ru', which all mean sun in other parts of Africa. To focus on the lack of vowels is ultimately absurb in studying language affiliation. If we were to used this concept as a frame of reference, we could conclude African languages are closely associated to Indo-European. Now days, hebrew and arabic make use of vowels, are they not semetic? When applying this we have forgot, why did the German linguists place the Chadic (Black African, ex. Hausa-speaking people) group within the Hamitic language phylum and as a part of the Hamito-Semetic macro-phylum. Jumping to another issue, many want to attack so bad that their facts are misconstrued and their intrepretion of our peoples' messages are disctorted. No one said Kmt was separated from the political imaginary Middle East (read in North east Alkebulan), the brother Jwanzaa stated the Middle East is Africa. Some one, clearly with malice in their heart, misintrepreted his statement and persisted to bash, but only in essence, made their smart-alec remarks testify their lack of comprehesion. To Extreme, I whole-heartedly agree with you about Nubia, the region which started this whole thing. Many things we do not focus on other parts of Africa which can offer us as much bliss as Kmt and can also provide answer to the historical/intellectual problems concerning Kmt. If we understood Nubia more effectively, none of these "unbiased" skeptics would infest this site proving a non-Black or as these enlighten beings say "Negro" origin of civilization. We must continually stock up our arsenal and think with our ancestors' minds. Medase.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 16:34:48 (EST)

ITS OBVIOUS THE SEMETICS GOT THERE LANGUAGE FROM THE EGYPTIANS AND THE EGYPTIANS FROM THE KUSHITES IM MEAN LIKE IM NOT GOING TO ARGUE BUT HOW CAN YOU CALL HERADOTUS A LIAR WHEN HE EYEWITNESSED AND SAID (NOW THIS IS A MAN THAT SAW THE TRUE EGYPTIANS BEFORE THE ARAB FOREIGNERS ENTERED) OUR FRIEND HERODOTUS SAYS "the egyptians bore black skins and wholly ethiopian hair" WHAT MORE IS TO DISCUSS THE EGYPTIANS WERE NEGROES THEY COLORED THEMSELEVS THE COLOR AS MODERN AFRICAN AMERICAN A BROWN SKIN NOT BLACK , IM BROWN NOT BLACK BUT IM STILL OF NEGRO DECENT IF THEY WERE WHITE OR SEMETIC THEY WOULD HAVE COLORED THEM SELVES WHITE OR WHITE-ISH YELLOW, MY SISTERS HIGH YELLOW BUT SHE'S STILL NEGRO (OF BLACK DECENT) ONLY PROOVES THEY'RE OF AFRICAN DECENT ALL AROUND I MEAN YOU OPPOSERS GIVE NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER ALL YOU SAY IS THE SEMETIC LANGUAGE WELL HELL THE NUBIANS INVENTED THE SCRIPT OF LANGUAGES PASSED IT TO THE EGYPTIANS THE EGYPTIANS TAUGHT THE GREEKS AND HEBREWS THE WAY OF PENDENSHIP HEY DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE!

PHARAOH(THE EGYPTIAN-KUSHITE SOLDIER)
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:47:08 (EST)

egypt was nemed Kemit. Kemit is spelled KMT. the reason being that in one of the most defining characteristic of semetic languages is the usual omited vowel sounds in words.egypt was called black land, red land. black for the rich nile silt that gave life to the desert country, and red for the western desert that displays is ruddy color from the sun because these sand helped protect egypt from mobilizing armies in those times. feminine egyptian words were also spelled ending with the letter"t" as with other semetic languages. Also Egyptian is written right to left, a charcteristic of semetic languages. many words are similar and the sentance structure is probably closer to Hebrew or Assyrian than to any other language in the world. However Egypt carries unique characteristcs that seperate itself from any Semetic or black African language. Also some suggest influence from nubian language which ancient egypt has been in contact with. egyptian stands closer to semetic sounds also, the "kha" "qaff" and "a'yin" sounds are only found in semetic languages as well as egyptian. egypt is also geographically situated next to Judia/Israel/Palestine. The egyptian empire also extended to this region as well as far south as nubia. egypt is by ethnicity and linguistics more semetic in nature than to any other group.

egypt mostly semetic
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:12:03 (EST)

egypt was nemed Kemit. Kemit is spelled KMT. the reason being that in one of the most defining characteristic of semetic languages is the usual omited vowel sounds in words. feminine egyptian words were also spelled ending with the letter"t" as with other semetic languages. Also Egyptian is written right to left, a charcteristic of semetic languages. many words are similar and the sentance structure is probably closer to Hebrew or Assyrian than to any other language in the world. However Egypt carries unique characteristcs that seperate itself from any Semetic or black African language. Also some suggest influence from nubian language which ancient egypt has been in contact with. egyptian stands closer to semetic sounds also, the "kha" "qaff" and "a'yin" sounds are only found in semetic languages as well as egyptian. egypt is also geographically situated next to Judia/Israel/Palestine. The egyptian empire also extended to this region as well as far south as nubia. egypt is by ethnicity and linguistics more semetic in nature than to any other group.

egypt mostly semetic
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 15:09:09 (EST)

to the person that thinks egypt was landlocked: that is a lie easely repulsed. #1 egypt has something called the sinai pennensula, which is directly land linked with asia. #2 peoples including the hebrews crossed it, read your bible. #3 egypt is not locked away from asia and europe. conquring peoples have mobiled armies to egypt from the mediterrianian and red seas and also from sinai many times. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

egypt not secluded from asia
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 14:57:14 (EST)

damn this site is extremist, this site has the nerve to diss nubia and claim egypt. 2 steps back, no steps ahead.

extreme
USA - Friday, February 26, 1999 at 14:51:19 (EST)

I need help. Two questions. 1. When you what the Real Video preview for the clegg series, there's a scene in a throne room, where a pharoah and his queen are sitting on their thrones and they're discussing something. What video is this from?? It can't be from 'When Black Men ruled the world'. 2. 'Daughters of Isis' is supposed to be the next video, correct? What's going on with it. Is it still in production? I'd like to order it. Could someone email me with answers?? I'd appreciate it. Thanks. The Avalon Man

The Avalon Man <christian_exodus@hotmail.com>
Age: 21, USA - Thursday, February 25, 1999 at 20:03:55 (EST)

Thanks to my sister(Kimberly Morrison)for steering me to this wealth of knowlege web page. Questions: What evidences are there of the "Lost Civilizations of the Black Race" during the Greek and Asiatic Periods? Thanks for the Sitemaster. I find the participants pro or con are very passionate, but let there be the untold truth, as the survivorty. Because only then, will there be to have all civilization's history in course forever more. Thanks, Robert D. Tatum, Jr.

Robert D. Tatum, Jr. <rtatum@aol.com>
Age: 49, Aurora,, Co USA - Wednesday, February 24, 1999 at 19:03:26 (EST)

No one here has said a racist or derogatory word about white people. Those who came this site to be racist are racist, themselves, for pre-judging an intellectual discovery and insinuating because we assert the Kamau to be black, we are down-grading others. For the african, I know many African people, who tell me that there traditions recall migrations for Upper Kemet. No, it is not feasible for an Ugandan to proclaim his or her Kemetic heritage, just like a French or German claiming their Frank or Visigoth ancestry. I believe those who come on this site and scream, "bloody murder", should evaluate the mentacide they persist to harbour and disseminate. Also, if you believe we are producing falsehoods, why don't you debate your conclusions in a orderly way, instead of immaturely and prejudicely blurting out. I've notice you guys have false covers and you afraid to identify yourselves, its not like we will stalk you. I ask, are the supremacist "humanitarians" cowards? Are you guys cowards? Let's dialogue. E-mail me and let's talk about it.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 17:41:18 (EST)

Jambo to my Brothers and Sisters! Egypt/Mizraim is a son of Ham. The "middle-east" is really Northeast Africa. Before the Suez canal was built(1859-1869), Western Asia was land-locked to the Continent of Africa. In ancient times Northeast Africa was totally populated and governed by Black African People. "Black Afrcans not only possessed the continent of Africa, but their dominion extended into Western Asia and beyond."-Kwame. It's BIBLICAL, SCIENTIFIC HISTORICAL, and LOGICAL! Just ask yourself what the original identity of man/woman was? I think we found that we were all Black from Africa Eden. Also there are Black People that speak Semetic languages. Finally, read Herodotus, Josephus, Tacitus, and Grayzel. HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 16:34:58 (EST)

THIS SITE IS EXTEMIST AND RACIST. this site denies the fact egypt was and still is a diverse country. this site denies that egypt is located at the extreme desert north-east corner of africa rather than the heart. this site denies the fact that egyptians spoke a language very close to semetic languages. this site fails to notice there are many paintings that show the nubians were very different from the egyptians. this site fails to recognise the fact that egyptians today still practice many traditions and especially holidays that date back to their forefathers of the ancient egyptians. this site is one sided and myopic, failing to get the whole picture. this site is an attempt to claim a land that only the people who live there have a right to. this site is a step backwards, not a step foreward. this site mixes truth and lies and presents it in a way that is beleiveable. this site won't be accepted and idiology will remain in always be doubted by blanced intellectuals. this site is racist and God curses the bigot whether he is white, black, asian, or whatever.

this site is not a friend of rational
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:30:12 (EST)

it saddens me that race is such a big deal here in the USA. this site, its propaganda, disinformation and ONE SIDEDEDNESS PROOVES MY POINT. all people want to do it attempt to proove egypt was a black country and that evil white devils and arabs came and took it away from them. wrong, wrong and wrong. i am not white but i know racism and this site and idiology is racism. you will have to kill 65 million egyptians to take their heritage away from them. this site is EXTREMIST AND RACIST.

this site is extremist
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:21:03 (EST)

to call ancient egypt a exclusively black society is a serious accusation. an accusation that is not true and can be prooven otherwise.PLEASE READ THIS... nubian or true black influence obviously penetrated egyptian society when the egyptians expanded their empire, and the nubians learned from the egyptians. the vast majority of egyptians had brown, olive and yellow skins. never once with the pitch black skins of the nubians and kush. egyptians possessed pointed noses, not the flat broad noses of the black africans. hair type was fine to curly, not the coarse, kinky hair of the black africans. some mixing of course occured. but not to the extent every egyptian was black. the egytians did in fact speak a language closely knit to Semetic language; by structure, word pronouncation, and grammer. black african word worked its way into the language, but was not as near as great as egypt's true semetic roots. egyptian however is a language that has its own charateristics different from semetic or any black african language. egypt is also located in the EXTREME north east of africa, located in the largest desestin the world, far away from the rest of africa. its no wonder, though techically wrong in statement, that the world scholoars would consider it middle eastern. furthermore, we are not calling ourselves arabs. when we say "arab" we denote the people of saudi arabia. some of their decendants settled in egypt, but so what? why is that a problem? there wasn't any pilaging and raping and forced to convert to any religion or change our language. it was by our own merit. the false, racist claims against these foreigners have no basis or proove. it is down right lies to inspire hatred towards them. but egypt is not a white washed country as many would like to beleive. if you think i am lieing, please go to egypt and see how much the vast majority of people their (especially farmers) resemble those people of wall paintings. go. instead of screaming and getting all gitty, go there. go there and see the statues of the ancient egyptians in tahrir cairo museam. there you will see the pointed noses of the pharoahs, the bronze and yellow skins of the people and the thin and medium lips. go to nubia museam in the far south( i think it is open) and see the difference. go, see, experience and then write on this board.

balanced information is priority
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 13:14:19 (EST)

it is just as well, this site is extremist black propaganda. egypt as we know it was never a pure black civilization. the idiots on this site want to steal a hertitage that belongs only to egyptians. egyptians, ancient and modern are and were diverse. to claim egypt as a black as uganda is ABSURD, down right silly and a fantasy preached as fact by a small insignificant population of the human race. you won't find ethiopians saying they are egyptian, you won't find ugandans either. some afro americans, decendants of slaves from west africa, think they are egyptian which anyone in the world will laugh at, including black africans and modern egyptians. for shame!

african
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 12:53:37 (EST)

african
USA - Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 12:53:25 (EST)

Shalom Aleikum! There are Blacks that speak, and spoke Hamitic and Semitic languages...check out the Canaanim/Phoenicians. Also... "LISTEN" to what some leading historians said: Herodotus, a greek historian, called by some "The father of historians", b.484?-d.425? B.C. said that, "The Egyptians, as well as the Ethiopians, had woolly hair, thick lips, and burnt skin." Josephus a "Jewish" historian, b.37-d.100? A.D., stated that "Yahshua was a dark skinned man". Tacitus, a Roman historian, b.55?-d.117? A.D., said that "Many believe the Jews descended from the Ethiopians". Grayzel, a 9th cent. A.D. "Jewish" historian, documented the account of Eldad, an Ethiopian "Jew" or African Hebrew Israelite. HOTEP!!! Jawanza.

Jawanza
- Tuesday, February 23, 1999 at 01:41:56 (EST)

IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES TO KNOW THAT MY BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN AMERICA, THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, ARE EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT HERE. WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THOSE OLD PEOPLE ARE BEING PERSECUTED AND BANISED BECAUSE WE ARE BLACK. THEY HAVE TRIED TO STRIFLE OUR SCREAMS AND CRIES. MY FAMILY HAS LEFT FOR LIBYA, LOOKING FOR COMFORT. I HAVE READ YOUR WORDS FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS AND I LOVE TO HEAR THOSE BLACK TALKING THIS. I WILL TELL MY FAMILY, FOR TOO LONG WE HAVE LIED AND SAID OUR FATHERS WERE NUBIANS CAPTIVES AND INVADERS. WE HAD TOO AND WE FOLLOWED THE NUBIAN WAY OF LIFE. WE ARE AND I WILL ASSERT THIS, WE AER THE EGYPTIANS TRIED AND TURED. WE HAVE LIED BECAUSE THEY TOLD US TOO BUT NO MORE WE LIE. WE ARE HAPPY AND OUR OLD RELIGION STILL EXIST AS WELL AS THE PRIESTESSES WHO KNOW THE OLD LANGUAGE AND TEACH US THE OLD LANGUAGE. WE LIED TO THE WORLD AND WE LIED TO THE WHITE MAN, HE WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WE ARE AND OUR CULTURE. WE STILL KNOW THE OLD KNOWLEDGE LIKE THE SERPENT STAFFS OF MOSES, OUR PRIESTESS STILL WALK WITH SERPENTS.

A PERSON FROM EGYPT
- Monday, February 22, 1999 at 21:28:56 (EST)

Also, if you so-called Egyptians would like to refute me, do not litter this guestbook. You can e-mail me and we can dialogue, as well as, talk frankly about it. If you can not do this and accept my challenge like brave ones, like I told Dave, cease to be on this guestbook. Kwabena Adofo is the eloquent warrior and I love to debate, especially if I can be more enlighten and more knowledgeable. By presenting facts and evidence, I can only learn and learn I will. I am ready for any and all, O dabo.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 14:22:33 (EST)

Pharaoh: My brother do not try to rebuke them, you can never change an idiot's mind, I had to learn that the hard way in my debate with Dave. These individuals know the myth, that they perpetuated is crumbling to no avail, and I am not surprised that these ignorant pollute this guestbook. We, as Africans, must do all we can to make SURE "our" people are aware of the facts, forget these other people who's minds are filled with envy and hatred. I believe many of these people who are writing as "Modern-day" slav-descended Egyptians are no more than white Euro(peon) pretenders. Their words hold no validity, even if they are Egyptians, their claims are comparable to White Europeans claiming the original inhabitants of America are white. We can not agrue with people, who give no supportable evidence. Another issue, I would prefer if you stop using the word "Negro", using this word impacts the psyche and stunts true Afrikan self-determination. In the think tank I belong to, we use the Yoruba word "Enia Dudu" which translates as Black people as a more accurate term for Afrikans and Diasporic Afrikans. To all those who oppose, your day will come. Besides chew on this, Semetic languages compare little to ancient Kmt tongue or Copt, according to Theophile Obenga. Also, take it from me, I speak Hebrew. Egypt is described as the land of Ham, not Shem. To all my people, Uhuru Sasa, Freedom Now!!! and the children continue to shout. Hotep.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <Kwabena_Danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 14:13:47 (EST)

ALRIGHT ITS ENOUGH OF THE CRAP FOR ONE YOU SO CALLED MODERN EGYPTIANS WHY DOES THE WHITE MAN CALL IN HISTORY THE "ARAB INVASION IN EGPYT YOU ARABS ARE SUCKERS I JUST PUT THE WHITE MAN AGAINST YOU JUST BY USING ONE TERM AND FOR THE OTHER IDIOT THERE ARE PORTRAITS OF ANCIENT NUBIANS WHO HAVE MORE FINNER NOSES AND THINNER LIPS THAN THE EGYPTIANS THEM SELVES AND FOR ANOTHER GO TO MODERN ETHIOPIA THEY HAVE MORE EUROPEAN FACIAL FERATURES THAN THE ARAB OR MODERN EGYPTIAN YOU PEOPLE ARE ARABS YOU ARE NOT EGYPTIAN YOU NEVER WILL BE OUR ANCESTORS THE ANCIENTS HAD A TERM FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND THATS CALLED "ASIATIC FOREIGNERS" YOU ARABS SEMETICS AND ALL YOU WHITE RACIST YOUR ALL MAD BECAUSE YOU CANT BE LIKE US THE BLACKS LISTEN TO WHAT A WHITE MAN TOLD ME A NATIVE OF THE GREEK LAND HE SAID THAT "before in the ancient times the land was called KEMET that is to say the land of black inhabitans in which the man of blackness is valid , when alexander came to kemet he rename it EGYPT which means BLACK in greek , AND ANOTHER THING I AM A MAN I AM OF NEGRO DECENT I AM NOT BLACK SKINNED BUT BROWN SKIN ABOUT 95% OF THE NEGRO POP. IN AMERICA IS EITHER BROWN REDDISH BROWN OF YELLOW SKINNED HMM SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING FAMILIAR MORE LIKE THE SKIN TONES OF THE ANCIENTS ME AND MY FAMILY COULD NEVER MATCH SKIN TONES WITH THE NUBIAN BUT MORE LIKE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN THATS WHY IT IS CALLED LAND OF THE BLACKS MY SISTER LOOKS LIKE NEFERTARI SKIN TONE SAME OF FACE BUT WE AR BOTH NEGRO I FOUND AN OLD PICTURE OF MY DECEASED GRANDFATHER WHO IS IDENTICLE AND IS OF THE SAME STATURE OF PAHRAOH KHUFU AND I SOME WHAT FAVOR MENKAU-RE A LITTLE .BUT MY POINT IS THE ANCIENTS ARE BLACK AND ITS FUNNY BECAUSE WHY IS IT THAT EXACTLY WHEN THE DECLINE OF EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION AND THE ARISE OF THE ARAB INVASION THAT ROADS FROM THE NILE VALLEY TO WEST AFRICA WERE IDENTIFIED HAVING BEEN FROM THAT DATE AND ALL OF SUDDEN WEST AFRICAN KINGDOMS BEGAN TO DEVELOP BOTH BEARING TITLES ROLES AND NAME AS LIKE THERE EGYPTIAN ANCESTORS AND TO SAY THE YUROBA ARE SO MUCH A DITINCTIVE HEIRIOGLYPHIC WRITING PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE NOW SAID TO BE THE DECENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND WHY IS IT THAT ONLY THE BLACKS WEAR ON THERE NECLACES THE SYMBOL OF THE ANKH OR THE CHARM OF NEFERTITI BUT NOT WHITES OR ARABS..ITS SIMPLY BLACK ROOTS AND BESIDES IF THE YOU MODERN EGYPTIAN ARE SO CALLED THE "DECENDENTS" WHY WOULD YOU INVADE YOUR OWN LAND IN THE 7TH CENTURY AND WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO STUPID TO THIS DAY YOU ARE THE DECENDENTS RIGHT? WRONG YOU PEOPLE CAN EVEN READ HEIROGLYPHICS BUT NUBIANS CAN HOW COME YOU DONT SERVE THE NATIVE DIETIES YOU DONT BECAUSE YOU ARE FOREIGNERS ALL YOU MODERNIST YOU WILL NEVER BE US!

PHAROAH, why I know the blacks are the decenents of the ancient egyptians
USA - Saturday, February 20, 1999 at 09:49:22 (EST)

I'm glad to know that there are those who understand the nature of intellectual warfare. It is not only about the activity of war but the strategems needed to wage a battle effectively. The African-centered view has been too long overlooked and underserved by those suffering with Afriphobia. This is an opportunity for truth to be spoken to power. Hotep!

Charles E. Siler <Csiler8398@aol.com>
Age: 55, New Orleans, LA USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:51:51 (EST)

this is a racist anti- white extremist board!!!!

me
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:47:29 (EST)

TO MESSAGE BOARD MONITOR: nobody is claiming the egyptians as arabs, not even the egyptians today. SO STOP THIS DISTORTION BY ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS AND FACTS!!

a non arab
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:46:18 (EST)

The term "black" in Italian language is taken out of context when the message board monitor says that the Romans said the egyptians where "black." You are not Italian, ok? a person with a dark or deathly charateristic is called "black." the egyptians being so obsessed with death can mean this. again, you distort the meaning to fit english. "black" also means dark. a person with olive or brown skin is called "black" for simplicity sake, not because hey are of "negro" orgin. don't think you can fool everyone. and "wooly hair" can mean curly hair. "frizzy" means curly is french. don't think you can use the Italian language to distort history for your own purposes. seriously, you are using us with some gross mistranslations.

j.k. g
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:44:31 (EST)

EGYPT IS AND NEVER WAS A BLACK COUNTRY. i am willing to proove and debate this issue. you can fool everyone, but you can't fool an egyptian. LINGUSITICALLY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAD A LANGUAGE CLOSELY IS PRONOUCIATION AND CHARACTERISTICS TO OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THESE "AFRICAN" "BLACK" OR "NUBIAN" INFLUENCES WHERE JUST THAT, A MEAR FEW WORDS THAT WORKED ITS WAY INTO EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. EGYPTIAN HAS THE SOUNDS "KHA" "QAFF" AND "'AYIN"...THREE SOUNDS FOUND ONLY IN SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THE LANGUAGE CAN BE WRITTEN RIGHT TO LEFT AS WITH OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. MAERLY LISTENING TO COPTIC OR ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE WILL CONVINCE EVEN THE MOST STUBBORN AFROCENTRIST THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS LARGELY AND FOREMOST OF SEMETIC LANGUAGE. IF YOU THINK I AM LIEING, TAKE A CLASS IN THIS FIELD. AS FOR FACE FEATURES EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, HAVE COMPLEXIONS FROM A LIGHT YELLOW TO A DARK REDDISH BROWN. NEVER HAVE ANY PAPYRUS SCROLL SHOWED EGYPTIANS WITH BLACK SKIN. SCROLLS HAVE PICTURED NUBIANS WITH PITCH BLACK SKIN AND BROWN SKIN. THE EGYPTIANS HAD SKINS BROWN TO A VERY LIGHT YELLOW. THE NOSES OF THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALWAYS FINE FEATURED. THEY WERE ALWAYS POINTED UNLIKE THE NUBIAN PAINTINGS WERE THEY HAD THE TYPICAL FLAT, BROAD NOSES. THE LIPS OF THE EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, WERE ALWAYS THIN TO MEDIUM, THE BLACK NUBIANS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THICK LIPS WITH PROTRUDING JAWS, CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK. THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST PART HAD NO SUCH FACE FEATURES. WHAT CONFUSES PEOPLE IS THE FACT THAT NUBIANS AND EGYPTIANS MIXED SOMETIMES, WHICH CAUSED SOME "EGYPTIANS" TO POSSESS FEATURES IN THE MIDDLE. aS FOR HAIR EGYPTIANS HAD FINE(SOME WHERE WIGS FOR THE HEAT) TO VERY CURLY HAIR. THERE ARE MANY PAINTINGS TO INDICATE THIS. THE NUBIANS AND KUSH VISTORS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THE KINKY, COURSE HAIR CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK MAN. SO FAR THE MAJORITY OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FAILED TO REACH THE CRETERIA OF A BLACK MAN. THE NUBIANS HOWEVER DO. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS IN THE SAHARA DESERT. ITS ABSURD THAT SOMEONE WOULD THINK ONE OF THE HOTTEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH WOULD HAVE A SUN THAT DOESN'T AFFECT SKIN COLOR. MANY PEOPLE WITH LIGHT BROWN AND OLIVE SKIN TAN EASITLY, MORESO THAN THE SKINS OF THE EUROPEANS. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA, IT IS IN THE EXTREME NORTH EAST CORNER OF AFRICA, BOARDERING ISRAEL AND OTHER SEMETIC LANDS. EGYPT DOESN'T BOARDER UGHANDA FOR EXAMPLE. THE NILE PROVIDED THE ROUTE FOR NUBIANS, EGYPTIANS AND NUBIANS WOULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. HOWEVER THE CULTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL ANCIENT TRADITIONS THAT ARE PRACTICED IN MODERN EGYPT AND MODERN NUBIA THAT ARE STILL VERY DIFFERENT. THEN THERE IS THE CONCEPT OF INVADERS OVER THE YEARS MIXING WITH EGYPTIANS. THIS IS TRUE, BUT HIGHLY EXAGGERATED. ARMIES TSKE OVER LARGE CITIES, NOT SMALL TOWNS. THE MEN THAT MIXED IN THE EGYPTIAN MELTING POT WERE CONFINED TO LARGE CITIES; THEBES, ALEXANDRIA, ETC. MOST EGYPTIANS LIVED ON FARMED. EVEN TODAY, MOST EGYPTIANS ARE ISOLATED FROM THESE BIG CITIES. ALSO, DARK GENES ARE DOMINANT WHICH EXPLAINS WHY MOST EGYPTIANS LOOK LOKE THEIR ANSESTORS. MY MOTHER LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE ON EGYPTIAN QUEEN I FORGET WHAT HER NAME IS. MY COUSIN, WHO LOOKS STICKING LIKE HATSHEPSUT SAYS SHE HAS A "AJNABI" OR FOEIGNER FAR IN HER PAST. STILL THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE FOR THE MOST PART. THE MYTH THAT INVADERS RAPED AND WHITENED THE EGYPTIANS AS A WHOLE IS FROM THE LACK OF MATHMATICAL CERTAINTY. IF YOU GO TO EGYPT TODAY AND SAY EGYPTIANS ARE ARAB, THAT IS A GROSS MISCALCULATION. THE DIALECT THEY SPEAK IS SUBSTANCIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE ARABS. "ARAB" IS EGYPTIAN MEANS SAUDI ARABIAN. EGYPTIANS NEVER HAVE CALLED THEMSELVES ARABS, ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAVE ADOPTED WHEN THEY DECIEDED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. THERE IS NO ETHNIC CONNONTATION OR IMPLICATION WITH THE TERM "ARAB." IN FACT MANY WORDS FROM ARABIC AND HEBREW ARE THE SAME IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AGAIN THE NUBIAN WORDS WHICH ARE PROBABLY RELATED TO THAT OF THE REST OF ANCIENT BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES WERE INSIGNIFICANT IN THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE COMPARED TO THE UNQIUENESS AND HEAVY SEMETIC LINGUISTIC STRUCTURE OF SEMETIC LANGUAGES. ALONG WITH THE POLITICS OF AFROCENTRISM, WE EGYPTIANS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANYONE OUTSIDE OUR SOIL AS EGYPTIAN. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. MANY OTHER PEOPLES WANTED TO CLAIM OUR CULTURE AND EACH TIME, JUST WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUCCEEDING, THE EGYPTIANS JUST DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THESE DISTORTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE TRUTH. WE EGYPTIANS RESEMBLE OURSELVES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE, WHETHER A BLACK AMERICAN, EUROPEAN, ASIAN OR WHATEVER TRY TO LAY CLAIM TO OUR CULTURE AND HERITAGE. YOU HAVE TO KILL 65 MILLION EGYPTIAN MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST. don't think anyone can teach us our own history. you don't go to the Pope to learn Hinduism.

why we egyptians will never accept your claims
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:36:42 (EST)

YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO RE WRITE EGYPTIAN HISTORY JUST TO MAKE YOURSELVES FEEL LIKE YOU CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING TO HISTORY. EGYPT IS AND NEVER WAS A BLACK COUNTRY. LINGUSITICALLY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAD A LANGUAGE CLOSELY IS PRONOUCIATION AND CHARACTERISTICS TO OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THESE "AFRICAN" "BLACK" OR "NUBIAN" INFLUENCES WHERE JUST THAT, A MEAR FEW WORDS THAT WORKED ITS WAY INTO EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE. EGYPTIAN HAS THE SOUNDS "KHA" "QAFF" AND "'AYIN"...THREE SOUNDS FOUND ONLY IN SEMETIC LANGUAGES. THE LANGUAGE CAN BE WRITTEN RIGHT TO LEFT AS WITH OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. MAERLY LISTENING TO COPTIC OR ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE WILL CONVINCE EVEN THE MOST STUBBORN AFROCENTRIST THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS LARGELY AND FOREMOST OF SEMETIC LANGUAGE. IF YOU THINK I AM LIEING, TAKE A CLASS IN THIS FIELD. AS FOR FACE FEATURES EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, HAVE COMPLEXIONS FROM A LIGHT YELLOW TO A DARK REDDISH BROWN. NEVER HAVE ANY PAPYRUS SCROLL SHOWED EGYPTIANS WITH BLACK SKIN. SCROLLS HAVE PICTURED NUBIANS WITH PITCH BLACK SKIN AND BROWN SKIN. THE EGYPTIANS HAD SKINS BROWN TO A VERY LIGHT YELLOW. THE NOSES OF THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALWAYS FINE FEATURED. THEY WERE ALWAYS POINTED UNLIKE THE NUBIAN PAINTINGS WERE THEY HAD THE TYPICAL FLAT, BROAD NOSES. THE LIPS OF THE EGYPTIANS, AS TODAY, WERE ALWAYS THIN TO MEDIUM, THE BLACK NUBIANS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THICK LIPS WITH PROTRUDING JAWS, CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK. THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST PART HAD NO SUCH FACE FEATURES. WHAT CONFUSES PEOPLE IS THE FACT THAT NUBIANS AND EGYPTIANS MIXED SOMETIMES, WHICH CAUSED SOME "EGYPTIANS" TO POSSESS FEATURES IN THE MIDDLE. aS FOR HAIR EGYPTIANS HAD FINE(SOME WHERE WIGS FOR THE HEAT) TO VERY CURLY HAIR. THERE ARE MANY PAINTINGS TO INDICATE THIS. THE NUBIANS AND KUSH VISTORS ON THE OTHER HAND HAD THE KINKY, COURSE HAIR CHARACTERISTIC OF A TRUE BLACK MAN. SO FAR THE MAJORITY OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS FAILED TO REACH THE CRETERIA OF A BLACK MAN. THE NUBIANS HOWEVER DO. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS IN THE SAHARA DESERT. ITS ABSURD THAT SOMEONE WOULD THINK ONE OF THE HOTTEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH WOULD HAVE A SUN THAT DOESN'T AFFECT SKIN COLOR. MANY PEOPLE WITH LIGHT BROWN AND OLIVE SKIN TAN EASITLY, MORESO THAN THE SKINS OF THE EUROPEANS. THE LOCATION OF EGYPT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AFRICA, IT IS IN THE EXTREME NORTH EAST CORNER OF AFRICA, BOARDERING ISRAEL AND OTHER SEMETIC LANDS. EGYPT DOESN'T BOARDER UGHANDA FOR EXAMPLE. THE NILE PROVIDED THE ROUTE FOR NUBIANS, EGYPTIANS AND NUBIANS WOULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. HOWEVER THE CULTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL ANCIENT TRADITIONS THAT ARE PRACTICED IN MODERN EGYPT AND MODERN NUBIA THAT ARE STILL VERY DIFFERENT. THEN THERE IS THE CONCEPT OF INVADERS OVER THE YEARS MIXING WITH EGYPTIANS. THIS IS TRUE, BUT HIGHLY EXAGGERATED. ARMIES TSKE OVER LARGE CITIES, NOT SMALL TOWNS. THE MEN THAT MIXED IN THE EGYPTIAN MELTING POT WERE CONFINED TO LARGE CITIES; THEBES, ALEXANDRIA, ETC. MOST EGYPTIANS LIVED ON FARMED. EVEN TODAY, MOST EGYPTIANS ARE ISOLATED FROM THESE BIG CITIES. ALSO, DARK GENES ARE DOMINANT WHICH EXPLAINS WHY MOST EGYPTIANS LOOK LOKE THEIR ANSESTORS. MY MOTHER LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE ON EGYPTIAN QUEEN I FORGET WHAT HER NAME IS. MY COUSIN, WHO LOOKS STICKING LIKE HATSHEPSUT SAYS SHE HAS A "AJNABI" OR FOEIGNER FAR IN HER PAST. STILL THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE FOR THE MOST PART. THE MYTH THAT INVADERS RAPED AND WHITENED THE EGYPTIANS AS A WHOLE IS FROM THE LACK OF MATHMATICAL CERTAINTY. IF YOU GO TO EGYPT TODAY AND SAY EGYPTIANS ARE ARAB, THAT IS A GROSS MISCALCULATION. THE DIALECT THEY SPEAK IS SUBSTANCIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE ARABS. "ARAB" IS EGYPTIAN MEANS SAUDI ARABIAN. EGYPTIANS NEVER HAVE CALLED THEMSELVES ARABS, ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAVE ADOPTED WHEN THEY DECIEDED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. THERE IS NO ETHNIC CONNONTATION OR IMPLICATION WITH THE TERM "ARAB." IN FACT MANY WORDS FROM ARABIC AND HEBREW ARE THE SAME IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AGAIN THE NUBIAN WORDS WHICH ARE PROBABLY RELATED TO THAT OF THE REST OF ANCIENT BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES WERE INSIGNIFICANT IN THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE COMPARED TO THE UNQIUENESS AND HEAVY SEMETIC LINGUISTIC STRUCTURE OF SEMETIC LANGUAGES. ALONG WITH THE POLITICS OF AFROCENTRISM, WE EGYPTIANS WILL NEVER ACCEPT ANYONE OUTSIDE OUR SOIL AS EGYPTIAN. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. MANY OTHER PEOPLES WANTED TO CLAIM OUR CULTURE AND EACH TIME, JUST WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUCCEEDING, THE EGYPTIANS JUST DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THESE DISTORTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE TRUTH. WE EGYPTIANS RESEMBLE OURSELVES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE ELSE, WHETHER A BLACK AMERICAN, EUROPEAN, ASIAN OR WHATEVER TRY TO LAY CLAIM TO OUR CULTURE AND HERITAGE. YOU HAVE TO KILL 65 MILLION EGYPTIAN MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST.

somebody from egypt
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 16:31:55 (EST)

their is a big myth taken over some black american peoples. and that is the myth that they are egyptian. this can easily be prooven wrong. we egyptians don't really care what anyone thinks since most of you afro-americans are racists against egyprians. you

a boy from the nile valley
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 15:53:32 (EST)

HEY GUYS I THINKING BIGGER AND BETTER WHY NOT PRODUCTION! A SCRIPT IN THE MAKING OF OUR BLACK EGYPTIAN ROOTS IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS NOTES QUOTES OR ANY THING TO SUBMIT MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS AS SEEN SO DONT HESITATE TO WRITE

PHAROAH <PHAROAH54@HOTMAIL.COM>
USA - Friday, February 19, 1999 at 15:01:03 (EST)

this is my first time seeing your site, i plan to read all of the information. you know, for some time now, i always sort of suspected that "those people" people were up to some thing dirty.. it's the nature of those mutants... when u lack sufficient melinan, you'll do anything to give the illu- sion that you also are human. (this is why they are still sneaking around the world planting false archeological evidence in the hope that the rest of the world will be convinced someday, that they belong. check this out... i'll betcha the "dead-sea scrolls" smell like garlic by now and read the opposite of what was originally written..(i.e it's worthless!!!)

charles williams <cwilli6693>
Age: 53, USA - Thursday, February 18, 1999 at 11:23:32 (EST)

It is good to hear all of these brothers and sistas expressing positiveness. We are at the threshold of nation-building and my heart swells to be in the company of strong-minded and willed people. Could it be we are hearing the ancestors' call and responding appropriately? The best way to slay the demon of inferiority is activism and education. We are an African people, Black nationalist in perspective and Pan-Afrikan in scope. We are moving ever so freely and consciously into a new age, the Era of African Redemption. Not to copy cat, but I am, also, writing a book, "The Rise of Africa and the Decline of Europeanization". Anyone who would like to contribute any ideas or suggestions, feel free to contact me at my e-mail address. Let's defeat the dragon together. We must reclaim our legacy for the future generations to build upon. Medase.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 18:36:29 (EST)

THE PAN-AFRICAN MOVEMENT IS GETTING STRONGER EVERY MINUTE.I AM PLEASED TO SEE SO MANY OF OUR AFRICAN MEN AND WOMEN TAKING CONTROL OF OUR HISTORY AND CULTURE.EUROPEANS ARE NERVOUS AND THEY WIL USE ANY TACTICS WHATSOEVER TO DISCREDIT OUR PEOPLE ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT AND IN THE DIASPORA.THE MORE WE LOVE OURSELVES THE STRONGER THE RACE BECOMES. I AM A MEMBER OF A.S.C.A.C. ORGANIZATION.CURRENTLY,I AM WORKING ON A BOOK CALLED "THE AFRICAN ORIGINS OF FREEMASONRY AND ITS EUROPEAN CORRUPTION.IF ANYONE HAS ANY USEFUL INFORMATION PLEASE E-MAIL ME OR SEND TO 12 COLORADO AVE ,BUFFALO,NY 14211 (716)891-4825.

BURRELL MCKELPHIN <HER-EM-AHKET@WEBTV.NET>
Age: 28, BUFFALO, NY USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 16:24:48 (EST)

BURRELL MCKELPHIN <HER-EM-AHKET@WEBTV.NET>
Age: 28, BUFFALO, NY USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 16:16:51 (EST)

I am happy to hear you discuss our most honorable priest, Cheik anta Diop. I am PH.D at Temple University,and have the pleasure of studying with many people who actually knew Cheik. In addition, I am in the process of writing a book on Cheik's two cradle theory. Any suggestions or comments would be helpful.

Douglas s Thomas <dtbubbie@aol.com>
Philly, pa USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 15:53:19 (EST)

WHAT I HAVE JUST HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING. tHIS COULD HELP ENCOURAGE AND MOTIVATE YOUNG BLACK MEN ANAD WOMEN KNOWING THAT THEIR LENIAGE WAS FROM SUCH GREAT WEALTH. I THINK MANY OTHE RPEOPLE NEED TO TO DO RESEARCH OF THIS SORT.

TOSHA bARKSDALE
Age: 19, DANVILLE , VA USA - Monday, February 15, 1999 at 13:33:17 (EST)

Sister Ayanna, you are accurate in your observation and I applaud your effort. The days of darkness are almost over, but as we know before dawn, comes the darkest part of night. Many people are becoming aware of the truth, but there is also a counter-offensive arising from the Western academia, using "Black" scholars to repute the idea of Black Kemet as "racist", "narrow-minded", "anti-multi-cultural" and the like. These attempts are utilized to sway many Africans who are not aware of the evidence proving a Black Kemet. I'm not trying to throw mud, but a new book, Encyclopedia Africana, is one of the latest weapons written by "Black" writers to rainbowize Black history. Another one that comes to mind is the 1997-1998 Encyclopedia of Sub-Saharan Africa, this collection can be found in libraries and is designed to nip the budding minds of the youth. They (Western academia) are desperately seeking to destroy the Africentric logic. Picture this scenario (it only hypothetical not intend at anyone particular): "Not being familiar with African history, you heard from a brother or sista that people like Diop, George James, Dr. Ivan van Sertima and company are presently information about Egypt's black origin and establishment under the new school of "Afrocentricism", so being interested of learning more about this and Afrocentricism, you stroll to your local 'white-operated' bookstore. You go to the African-American Interest section hoping to get books of African-American interest and you find the book, Afrocentricism : Historical Fact or Myth (something like that) or Mary Leflowitz's book, "Not out of Africa", which dicussing the relevance of Afrocentricism. Not knowing anything about the writers, you decide to but it and read where Diop's theory was flawed, James' concept is "factually fradulent", and Ivan van Sertima is a racist parading as a learned man. This shatters your already lack of confidence of African writers who writes those "biasedly racist black power books", so you conclude that their evidence lacks all substance and reason." What will you now think? This is the latest white offensive attack them academically (and make our books more obtainable) while placing in their minds the un-dieing image of non-Negro Egyptians, except for the adopted aliens/foreigners or servants. We must aggressively crusade to place meaningful images for our people and pursue to push the learning of Kmt. Because one argument they do have, is the argument Arabs are not black but they too inhabit the hot desert regions of North Africa. From a white or colonized white mind, of course: "this only concludes the Egyptians are Semites and those of Egypt today are the direct descendants of the Ancient Egyptians". We know this not to be true, but how many of our uninformed brothers and sistas will also see the same thing. Many of us, whether we choose to admit or not, are informally educated thru TV, whether it be by popular movies,i.e., Prince of Egypt, Mummy,etc., or The Learning Channel. How many of us have local study groups or control over the information that enters our minds. Very little of us. So not to be cynical, but our darkest time lies ahead. One thing of learned individuals can choose not to be is arrogant and overbaering, because this turns the average person, such as myself, off. Yes, the truth is out, but one thing about a liar is he will choose to fight the truth to the death. Also, we, as Black people, are so colonized that even if we do believe the Egyptians are Black, we never ask the question what is the psychology behind the White establishment to portray them (Egyptians) as any other than? We don't ask this question and until we ask this question, we will always be controlled by European thought and relative facts.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 16:36:53 (EST)

FOREVER LIVE THE WORLD OF THE ANIENT EGYPTIANS..

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 09:29:24 (EST)

How can anyone study geography in school,look at a map of Africa, see that Egypt is part of the African continent and still in their insidious mind say that the Ancient Egyptians were not an African people! It is ignorant to waste time debating on the subject at all when the proof is literally slapping you in the face! One thing that I would like to ask any person of European descent or any person who is trying to deny the obvious truth is how could caucasians be the sole inhabitants of Egypt which is located in a hot sun filled continent, when even today they suffer from various types of melanoma, skin cancers and burning when exposed to direct sunlight for long or even short periods of time! A person does not have to be an anthro pologist or scientist to figure out the answer to that! Ancient Egyptians Adored the sun for the same reasons that I do today. I always feel energized when exposed to the hot sun, have never worn sunscreen and have never burned a day in my life! May Ra shine his light on all believers of truth and justice. The days of darkness are almost over. Peace and Blessings, Ayanna Nzingha Newele

Ayanna Nzingha Newele <pharrison@thcllc.com>
Washington, DC USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 01:41:00 (EST)

How can anyone study geography in school,look at a map of Africa, see that Egypt is part of the African continent of Africa and still in their insidious mind say that the Ancient Egyptians were not an African people! It is ignorant to waste time debating on the subject at all when the proof is literally slapping you in the face! One thing that I would like to ask any person of European descent or any person who is trying to deny the obvious truth is how could caucasians be the sole inhabitants of Egypt which is located in a hot sun filled continent, when even today they suffer from various types of melanoma, skin cancers and burning when exposed to direct sunlight for long or even short periods of time! A person does not have to be an anthro- pologist or scientist to figure out the answer to that! Ancient Egyptians Adored the sun for the same reasons that I do today. I always feel energized when exposed to the hot sun, have never worn sunscreen and have never burned a day in my life! May Ra shine his light on all believers of truth and justice. The days of darkness are almost over. Peace and Blessings, Ayanna Nzingha Newele

Ayanna Nzingha Newele <pharrison@thcllc.com>
Washington, DC USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 01:32:37 (EST)

THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION

HELEN
USA - Thursday, February 11, 1999 at 17:41:29 (EST)

"TOTALLY NUBIAN" "NUBIA: A DISAPPEARING LAND AND CULTURE" The Association of Africans and African-Americans Presents: A "Totally Nubian" Workshop/Symposium, Slides, and discussion on the plight of Nubia, past and present, to enlighten and enhance the study of Nilotic Culture: Manu Ampim, Professor "Nubia: Vanishing Evidence of Classical Africa" Patricia A. Newton, M.D., M.P.H., M.A. "Geopolitics/Affective Educational Nile Valley Tours and Cruises" Theophile Obenga, Ph.D. "The Linguistic Connection between the Nile Valley and the Rest of Africa" Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 10:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. promptly Faith Presbyterian Church, USA - 430-49th Street - (north) Oakland, CA Donation: $12.00 (lunch and beverages will be sold on premises) Vendors, please contact below Proceeds will go to the Nubian Studies Documentation Center, Cairo, Egypt,for the purchase of much-needed medical and school supplies For further information, please contact Karen: KCAMM23063@AOL.COM

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 23:11:06 (EST)

Attn: Danquah. I could find no e-mail address or URL for you, your comrades or your organization. If it is possible would you please e-mail me privately. Thank you.

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 20:02:54 (EST)

Hello all, I am Kheru Camara. A few brothers and I are members of an academically maverick non-profit research group known as Ankobia or the Vanguard. I believe many of you are probably aware of one of my comrades, Kwabena Adofo Danquah, he is the physical and cultural anthropologist of our organization, in addition, we have Omari Afi Keita (historian and sociologist), Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh (historian and psychologist) and yours truly (an writer and editor/marketing consultant) . Our main purpose is to disseminate information in our local area, but sometimes we like to debate on our areas of expertise. You may sometimes find us in guestbooks, chats or physical forums, we feel our scholars need to become visual and active. We understand many of our foremost minds are tied up with professional teaching jobs and the like, so try to fill the void of invisibility by becoming noticeable. We encourage other devoted individuals to form their own educational groups across the country. We started off as a study group, but now we are what you will call the public relations branch of our group. This is very informal, we just wanted you to know who was on this guestbook presenting info and their respective affiliation and occupation. Hotep!!!

Kheru Camara
USA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 17:25:25 (EST)

Jambo to all my Relations: Hopefully all the fierce debating is over and done. As we know this is the "infamous" month of black history, the celebratory extension of the Honorable Dr. Carter G. Woodson's brainchild Negro History Week and the time to educate the masses of our people. Unfortunately, many of us are denigrating Black History Month to the usual showcase of Martin, Malcolm, a few little known Black 1sts, parades and beauty pageants, which I feel is in direct contradiction to what Mr. Woodson had in mind. Don't get me wrong, all of this fine in it proper context but there still is a lacking in our "Black History". This void in our Black History is the homeland of our people, Mama Africa. Many times we are led astray and focus only on those periods of ante-slavery and post-slavery. Are we afraid of pre-slavery? Are we still teaching our kids that before white people and slavery, blacks were nothing but savages without any noticeable history? Are we perpetuating White supremacy? After reading Miseducation of the Negro for the 7th unprecendant time, I feel like Bro. Carter is rolling over in his resting place. He once stated that ""highly educated" negroes would rather teach European values and ideas, not African, like Classical French or Historical Spanish than African-inspired English dialect or (Ebonics). Thus many of these "highly educated" negroes are some of the heroes we celebrate during this month. Another fallacy is many of the pushers of black history would have constituted the "highly educated but miseducated" negroes of Carter's time. He said that if the focus is too much on the 1st "Black" this and the 1st "Black" that, it would still leave the world wondering what is the purpose of the Black race, except to be imitators. Why do we place so much pride on becoming the 1st officers in the very beast, that only wishes our domination and oppression? How can we be self-determining "Negroes" when we are always comparing ourselves and our accomplishments to people who have always had a "created" advantage over us? As human beings, we can not be compared to any other group of people because we constitute the "Black branch" of humanity and are therefore unique as is every other ethnic group. We never talk of Kmt and the Black Kamau, or Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Zimbabwe, Benin, Luba-Lunda states or Kanem-Bornu, is it because we still, even this late in age, suffer from some undetected inferiority that forces us to shrug off the greater part of our heritage and existence for one, minute in comparison and detail. I know I will probably be bombarded for this, maybe labeled racist, but stop glorifying whites by glorifying white-educated Blacks working for white-generated acheivements. That's what it seems like when we don't celebrate "all" our history, we didn't just come into existence 500 years ago, you know. If we are the oldest on earth, let us start acting as such. When we deny our African history for our American experience and then call our American experience Black history are we not glorifying White folks and devaluing our ancestors' legacy of life and living? Oh well, yeah we do compensate for the African by talking about Fredrick Douglass, at the same time, incorporating African dance, which the dancers rarely know what tribe the form they are dancing comes from. Why are we ashamed? We can display Bambara stylized antelope headdresses or Benin bronze but can not recall who Mansa Musa or Sonni Ali were. Where's the Black history, or did we just become Black like a 140 years ago? We are doing ourselves a supreme injustice, as well as, telling our kids if you don't replicate what whites do then "you won't be nuthin". Who enjoys Black History month the most? White folks cause it boosts them, psychologically and "highly educated" negroes cause it helps them repress their heritage emotionally, besides it socially acceptable.

Nyamekye Bonsu Sarteh
USA - Saturday, February 06, 1999 at 15:16:35 (EST)

KEMET=LAND OF BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE, THUS IN SAYING ALL OF AFRICA IS KEMET RELATED

jeron
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 15:20:38 (EST)

KWABENA ADOFO'DANQUAH'S VOCABULARY IS SPECTACULAR AND HIS HARD CONCRETE EVIDENCE, HEY THIS GUY OUTTA HAVE A BOOK COMMIN'OUT BY NOW,AND LIKE A FEW OTHERS SAID ,HEY YOU EUROPEANS WATCH YOUR HOLLYWOOD SO CALLED MOVIES OF THE "EGYPTIANS" AND WATCH YOUR TLC,HISTORY CHANNEL AND A&E SPECIALS TRYING TO DEPICT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AS WHITE BECAUSETHIS YEAR AND THE NEXT CENTURY BRINGS THE NEW AGE WHERE ALL THE EVIDENCE IS COMMIN' OUT AND ALL THE WHITE MAN LIES WILL TOTALLY BE UNCOVERED AND MAYBE EVEN MOVIES STARRING BLACKS AS THE EGPYTIANS BUT THAT'LL BE OUR SECRET FOR NOW AND TO ALL THOSE RACIST THAT ENTER HERE DAVE MAYBE TAKE A CHANCE TO LOOK UPON THE TEMPLE PAINTINGS TOMB ILLUSTRATIONS AND ARTS NOW IM NEGRO AND I CAN PERFECTLY MATCH MY SKIN TONE WITH THE ANCIENTS AND THERE ARENT TOO MANY NEGROES IN AMERICA WITH THE "EITHIOPIAN OR NUBIAN" TYPE SKIN TONE THE "ARABS" WHERE DEPICTED AS "ASIATICS" WITH A WHITE/YELLOW COMPLETION ARABIA IS IN ASIA THUS THEY WERE CALLED "ASIATIC FOREIGNERS" GOD RULES, THE ANCIENTS ARE NEGRO, KWABENA KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKIN' ABOUT SO END OF DISCUSSION!!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 15:17:25 (EST)

For all of those looking for some quotes to possibly clarify some things: "There are a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men ejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair founded, on the study of laws of Nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe."--Count Volney,"Ruins of Empires": William Flinders Petrie, an esteemed early Egyptologist," Whence came the invading race- the high caste race- who founded the dynastic history? The ancient writers considered them Ethiopians and that they came from the south, and certainly in no other quarter, Libyan, Syrian or Anatolian, can we find an analogous people."; concerning the Egyptians, George Wells Parker in his book "Children of the Sun" states, "Who were they? They themselves believed that they were autochthones of the soil. In their legends they tell how their first ancestors rose from the black mud of the Nile before the Creator finished the world, so anxious were the gods to behold their birth, and they gave their country the name of "Chemi," meaning "the land of the black people."; Dr. Rudolph Virchow, the famous founder of cellular pathology branch of medicine, was request by the German Anthropological Association to go to Egypt and study the momuments, temples, statues and other remains of the Egyptian civilization, and bring back some authoritative decision as to the racial relations of the Egyptian people. He remained in Egypt two years and on August 5, 1889, he delivered his answer: "I thought I could find by comparative examination of the living and the remains and pictures of the dead some points establishing the change of the ancient Egyptians into the Egyptians of historic times, but I have returned with the conviction that ancient Egypt and its neighboring countries have not essentially changed during these periods. If Menes really existed, then the Egyptians in his time were Negroes, since quite old mural paintings show Negroes with all their peculiarities."; French archeologist Edouard Naville had this to say, "It (Egypt) belongs to a nation formed by an indigenous stock, of African origin, among which, settled conquerors coming from Arabia, from the same starting point as the Chaldeans. This explains a certain similiarity between Egypt and Babylon. The foreign element was not Semitic. They belonged, like the natives, to the Hamitic (Black) stock; therefore they easily amalgamated with the aborigines, into whom they infused their more progressive and active spirit. The dawn of the Egyptian civilization is certainly a distinct proof of the important part played by Africa in the history of human culture." These are a few quotes given by 18th, 19th and 20th century writers and researchers, I don't claim that these men were the supreme authority on Kmt, but undoubtably, their works must be taken into consideration as pioneers of study. I ask you all, if ever you get the chance, visit Kmt yourself (with a unbiased eye) or compare the ethnological data left by the Egyptians, themselves, in K. R. Lepsius's, "Denkmaler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien", which contains a painting from the tomb of Ramses III concerning the surrounding racial types, rather, national groups. Lastly, I leave with a quote from my 'beloved' scholar, Cheikh Anta Diop: "The Black race, historically, subjugated the White race for three thousand years. Visit the tomb of Ramses III, if you dare interpret correctly its murals. Today Blacks are on the eve of a new start, after having had their turn at being sold by the pound in the West. Good luck to the racists, if they think they are the most intelligent; then what are they worrying about?" To all of those who visit this guestbook and spew hatred, why bother if Egypt was never Black or are you afraid the Blacks will finally know the truth and build another Kmt. Diop must have been on point, if not he would not have been untimely murdered I believe, cause as an anthropologist, myself, Diop did and was still on the verge of scattering the polycentric theory of Human origin.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 14:12:29 (EST)

Mr. Dave, I never took back my statement that the bust of Nefertiti was Greek inspired, because it was. There is many of pictures depicting African ancestry in this woman. You say as far as you can tell (i'm believing eyesight, which relatively little to go with), where are your linguistic, cultural, serological, body morphological evidence. You can not look at a picture of someone who lived virtually 3000 years ago and assume their ethnicity, to do so is ludricous. My grandmother who was a black woman, looked little like a stereotypical Black woman and for that matter my family. I look phenotypical Black and identify as Black but according to genotype and especially hematological results, I possess a blood type not found in typical Blacks. Actually there is no type of this on the African continent, except in very rare to none cases. We can not go by our eyes, someone recently stated that at least 70% of the whites in America are not genotypical whites. The first statement I read from you was very arrogant, if not , covertly racist, especially your suggesting Black Americans probably never visited Kmt. If you didn't know there are tours provided by a world renowned Falasha (Black Jew) historian, Dr. Josef ben Jochannon, who spend twenty-years in the Nile Valley studying the predominate Black presence, so many of my brothers and sisters are well versed in the Hapi river valley area. I also see you're not defending your stand as to why Egyptians are not Blacks except for futile squabbles without any real substance (no documented proof, whether eye-witness accounts or career researchers'). Neither did you care to notice my and my comrade's references to African migration stories from that area, which are even presented in the Encyclopdeia Britannica. I have not been proven wrong and I have not dodged any of your questions, but you, it seems, would like to dodge my points and continue to assert a non-Black origin for the Kamau, only because of eyesight. What books have you studied those written by the authors of the "BELL CURVE" and maybe some waiting for a chance contributors to The Learning Channel, History Channel or A&E. I might not have argued my stance in the most constructive way or in a text-book debate fashion, but I have presented concrete evidence, not theories, to support my theory. You disregarded biblical accounts, nineteenth century explorers and researchers, cultural standpoints and the like. There is one engraving of Nefertiti (just to mention one) with Akhenaton, where both are undoubtably Africoid (side profiles where facial prognathism is shown quite evident). Oh, your admitting that Egypt did have a few Blacks, where they royalty (not including the 24th dynasty), part of the priestly caste, commoners or servants? If only a few, why is the Sphinx, an individual showing prognathism? Don't feed me any bull about these Blacks were Nubians migrating north, until they infiltrated Upper Egypt. Why did they come so late in the game, especially since the river flowed northward? I'm not trying to bombard you with questions, I just want you to defend your stand in a logical and rational way. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, that's why I study not to believe falsehoods but to learn the truth. Actually, that's why many Blacks study, we have been lied to concerning our history and now want the truth, something Western academia has never done, except if Europeans can be shown in a particular light. Again, defend your case but going by eyesight is not going to cut the chase. Here's a easy one, ask this Dave: WHY DO YOU THINK AFRICAN GROUPS LIKE THE YORUBA AND GA POSSESS MIGRATION STORIES FROM EGYPT ALONG WITH CULTURAL VALUES SIMILIAR? Don't feed me cultural diffusion, because for the matter, why wasn't Greece closer in distanced more cultural influenced? Hetep or for you Dave, PEACE!

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 18:46:48 (EST)

Please explain to me how you know Nefertiti was black when all the evidence points the otherway.She looked no different to any modern Egyptian as far as I can tell.First you said it was Greek inspired,then you admitted that you were wrong so explain.I saw her tomb and other sculptures of her too and I still dont think she was black.I agree with you that some ancient Egypts were black but the the vast majority werent from what Ive studied and seen and tell me what did you see that was so important that it will turn western civilisation upside down

Dave
USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 11:19:44 (EST)

Man, it seems like we got some brothers and sisters, who are coming and coming hard. I feel fo all of ya'll doubters, i enjoy this site!!! If Africans were Egyptians, these brilliant minds are proof it so. Run scared Western world your time is running short and you are desperate, look at your movies ........the Mummie...what's next? your arsenal is dead.

did it happen already <voices of the masses part 1>
Age: ages, everywhere, africa the world - Tuesday, February 02, 1999 at 13:50:29 (EST)

Cheikh Anta Diop proved that Ramses II, among others, was black. He did so by testing the melanin levels, facial morphology, isolating "racial" markers and historical data. For all of you guys debating whether Egyptians were black or white, I believe it would be useful to read Diop's work, "African Origin of Civilization" and "Civilization or Barbarism: An Authentic Anthropology". These two books are classical in analyzing the ethnicity of the Egyptians, especially from the viewpoint of an assasinated African scholar. My comrade and peer, Kwabena, stated the validity of using timeline to resolve conficts, but in addition to the timeline, I encourage the use of cultural data as it relates to the surrounding people of Egypt. We can all disagree and squabble for an eternity, but without things done in proper context, that's all we will do- squabble. My mentor once said don't agrue with me, if I see a raven and you see a buzzard, no you must provide substanial evidence (wholly impartial, without stooping to name-calling and self-fulfilled arrogance) to concur with your conclusion. Otherwise, you will never change my mind, because I will always see a raven. Secondly, in this case, if you haven't proven your point, I am not wrong but neither are you. We must all gain enlightment (or as a friend says, enblackment) before we parade as authorities on any subject and after that enlightment comes we are then open to all possibilities, regardless if they conflict with our lastest theories. Understand we are all students, studying the people and life of Egypt, no one controls all the info and our theories no matter how sound and logical, could have faulty issues that need to be address. As a objective scientist, I can not allow myself to be wrap up in biases or prejudices because doing so is an injustice to my field of study. I advise all of you to become more objective and research extensively. Study the other African people and find similiarities or dissimiliarities, this is what the writers, we are quoting and defending, did. We stop being arm chairs and become the vanguard we proclaim to be. In closing, how many of you are aware of a small group in southeastern Nigeria, known as the Ekoi? The Ekoi are a numerically insignificant group, but historically and culturally-speaking, they are very valuable to Egyptologists and Kemetologists, the world over. This little Bantu speaking tribe possess a hieroglyphic legacy, so reminiscent of Egypt that many are now believing they are migrants from Egypt. Funny, huh, that the Western African empires began to rise during a period of decline in north east Alkebulan, appromixately the 1st-12th centuries C.E. Some African people have traditions of a southwestern immigration from a distant place in the northeast, while others carry linguistic connections, often overlooked. The Kikongo people of Zaire and Angola have a book known as Makongo which details their migration to their present homeland and inside, some of the words are phonetic with Meroitic speech. Look into this, because it could provide information. Also, since we use this guestbook, I encourage all to order Mr. Clegg's series, if you haven't already, shortly my study group will be owning a copy. Asante sana. Uruhu Sasa!!!!!!!

thought you might wanna know/ Omari Afi Keita
USA - Tuesday, February 02, 1999 at 13:35:44 (EST)

Unfortunately Dave, you are the one who's been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, ran amuck. Have you ever stood atop of the Great Pyramid, by the way what is the Kmt word for pyramid? Yes, Neferiti was around before the Greeks ever came, but I said their other portraits of her, that resemble her famous bust as much as you resemble a Wolof. As for my Nubian guide, you will deny but we seen images on the pyramids that are White and trust me, you would have been ashamed to see them. This white guy was nude and shivering from the cold, he had long stright hair and a pale complexion as well as the orthognatism so characteristic of the European type. In contrast, a depiction of Neferiti on the pyramids was more Africoid than this could ever been, as a matter of fact, one would be blind (because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out) not to notice the differences between the two and the similiarities of Neferiti with African people. You again fail to read your scholars' conclusions of the over-all, especially pharaonic, ethnicity of the Kamau. Among this group of scholars are likes of E.A. Wallis Budge, Maspero, Herodotus, Count Volney, Gerald Massey, Sir. Godfrey Higgins to name a few. You may as you wish, discredit their validity and question their conclusions, but interesting enough, is that these guys seen something different than the established academia and didn't fail to record these, even probably against their own 'inner conflicts', since the last thing a white person would want to do is admit to any African (Negroid?) origin of your so-called Greek "Egypt". If you like to beat up on Herodotus, especially his inconsistencies concerning culture, one thing you deny him is his eye of determining physical characteristics. I would hope not, not your illustrious "Father of History". Dave, you are dodging lots of documented evidence and research by remarking with erronous words and claims. Give up, unless you can state your reasons, I proved you wrong when you submitted faulty serological evidence, actually I wonder why are you intently falsificating fact. Until you can bring up hard facts, persist to be. If anyone wants to debate facts and evidence, you can contact me at my presented e-mail. A historian, physical and cultural anthropologist. Oh, by the way, Dave, I'm not someone who falls for anything from my Nubia resources, I do check and research my information, OBJECTIVELY!

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah45@hotmail.com>
USA - Monday, February 01, 1999 at 17:41:43 (EST)

Not all pure Africans have broad noses and thick lips or very dark skin. Africans came in all different shapes and skin tones and hair textures before the Europeans started arriving to Africa. Different conditions in Africa caused this. So just because an African may have a thin nose and thin lips, does not make him/her white or non-black. And the majority of the Ancient Egyptians were black, up until the very late dynasties of Ancient Egypt after the floods of Europeans, Asians and Arabs started invading down from the North, including the Roman invasion.

Quark
Ca USA - Monday, February 01, 1999 at 11:17:01 (EST)

Nefertiti was alive hundreds of years before the Greeks and Egyptians came into contact.I dont know how you get the impression it was Greek inspired.And she had a very straight nose, thin lips and light skin to be a Negro.As far as that Nubian guy, he was prbably telling you what you want to hear, I used to do the same thing to American tourists when I was a kid living in Ireland.Theyd come to Ireland looking for there roots.I use to bring them to an old house down the road and tell them their greatgrand parents lived there.Very gulible Americans makes very profitable business.

Dave
USA - Monday, February 01, 1999 at 08:29:52 (EST)

without Caucasoid intervention......

what i have to say
USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 17:10:11 (EST)

Mother Africa possessed all geno and phenotypes through the Black race. You can take white from Black, but you can never take Black from white. Black people are beautiful because we are the rainbow and defy any attempts to characterize us into one phenotypical grouping. Tribes of West Africa are known to have a few blonds and blue eyes among the crowd, even with Caucasoid intervention. We are the Creators, love us or hate us, yet we are.

What I have to say.......
USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 17:08:52 (EST)

Sorry, for the length, but there were some things I had to say. Maybe, I talk to much, but I love to debate, especially subjects I know and love. A historian and cultural anthropolgist.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 17:00:04 (EST)

To all of those who insist on an alien (non-Africoid) origin of the Kamau, I ask you to support your claims with real serological and anthropological evidence. Dave said the Kamau are of a B blood grouping, unfortunately, you have no real understanding of African genetics. My mother, who is a Diasporan African is of the B blood grouping and Africans possess a high incidence to this type. Myself, however, I have type A(1) which is predominate among Native Americans and is accurate since my father is Comanche. To the lady who refered to Neferiti, there are many other depictions of her that are in stark contrast to her "infamous" Greek-inspired bust, besides historical evidence provides that if any Kamau was Black, she was. Yes Dave, I have visited Egypt, several times on fact-finding missions and have explored the areas not in the retinue of many Western tourists. My guides were of Nubian origin who have provided me with authentic information of Kmt's ancient past, more than any, modern-day newly invasion Arab "Egyptian" could ever do. What I speak is fact, the things I saw with my eyes would turn Western academia into an uproar and would have shattered your wishful ideas of a non-Black Kmt. If you guys were unbiased in your claims, you would have been aware that the Kamau depicted themselves very different from the Asiatic tribes, namely the mixed group Hebrews and the like (characterize with noticeably lighter complexions, straighter hair structures, and different clothes), yet the people of the south are relatively closer in appearance, much like the differences between a Highland Scot and an Irish of Donnegan. Also, if you guys were not racist, you would have considered the continuity of African culture and the ever elaborate yet accurate details of African tribes, that are profound than the theory of cultural diffusion. That's more than we can say of Europe. It's funny, you guys pay more attention and reverance to Germanic migration stories but none to the Africans', how biased and racist is that? I ask you guys that before you speak, do your research because you are not dealing with "negroes" who can be fool by your racist cries, but independent thinking, scholarly, equally grounded and balanced, logically concluding, well-traveled, analytical, highly versed Africans like those of Kmt, whose culture you still can't understand. Why persist to be arm-chair scholars that read a few white supremacist books and view contorted images of Kmt on The Learning Channel, when you can open your eyes and become more profound on the subject of upper Alkebulan? You guys are colonized Greek thinkers because the words you use to describe your points are Greek, as well as, the thoughts that spew forth from your mind. To you scholars I have a question, "Why is the Sphinx and many other sculptures devoid of noses, while every other appendage is still intact?" Besides, you guys have yet to answer my other questions, is it because we are dodging or is it we entered the guestbook, only once, and that's to speak our hate-filled minds? Another thing stop trying to identify the Kamau as Semites, your own scholars, especially genetic linguists, have dropped this notion and the Bible states they are children of Ham. By the way, Ham means "Black", that's how your European-American ancestors conceived the concept of Africans natural inheritance of slavery through the "curse of Ham", although, that curse was implied to Canaan, the ancestor of the Canaanites or the Phonecians. All of this precludes to evidence of the Africoid presence of the whole of Africa, including the imaginary political "Middle East". These are the children of Ham, along with Cush or the Nubians/Ethiopians. There are children of Africa and Ham (Black), not Shem or Japheth, don't resist fact for ignorance and neither get mad at Africans for discovering their roots.

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 16:57:41 (EST)

To the person who posted below Nefretiti was of mixed race as far as I know her grandfather come from upper Nubia, look at her husband (i forget his Akenaten or somthihg like that) he was defenitly black.But most of the Pharohs did look like modern Egyptians as far as I can tell.Again it probably depends on where in Egypt they came from.The people of upper Egypt were much darker than the people of lower Egypt.A great majority of ancient Egypt population was not Negro and the indigenous population were more closly related to Arab and Hebrews (smetic langage) than were to Ethiopians.But you can be certain that there were any few blond haired and blue eyed Egyptians if any.

Niall Mac Carthy
Age: 27, Halifax, Canada - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 11:45:20 (EST)

I dont know how you come to the conclusion that the people of ancient Egypt were black.If you look at any statues or tomb paintings it should be very obvious that they looked more like Arabs than they look black.Egypt is much closer to Arabia than it is to Ethiopia.Have any of you ever seen the bust of Nefertiti, she looks no different to a modern egyptian.Bloodgrouping tests show that most of the mummies are blood group b, the most common blood group in the middle east.North Africa was never black and never has been, youd hardly say the Berbers were black,if someone said to you that Asia was all Mongoloid youd probably laugh at them,Youd hardly say an Iranian and a Chinese person looked the same,they dont even belong to the same race.All they share in common is that they both live on the same continent.I doubt many of you wannabe Egygtians have been to Egypt or even north Africa for that matter.Visit muesems go to a libary or even better go to Egypt and see for yourself.

Dave
USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 11:21:15 (EST)

To IBrowse: I am sorry that the only black skin you have ever seen was on a person with gangrene. The most beautiful people in the world are the graceful Wolof of Senegal, who are jet black. Here in Oakland where I am, I see folks with black skin on a daily basis. I have heard that in India, one will find the blackest. This is just to advise you that there are people with black skin who do not suffer with gangrene. You should go to Senegal some day, and feast your eyes. Forty-eight years is a long time to have not seen a person with black skin.

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 04:25:45 (EST)

Thank you so much for that insight I really enjoyed it and would like to find out more imformation on other areas espicially in the Bible that black people played important roles .I know that there is something going on in regards to Black people .I do know that we are a special group of people,which explain why we srir up so much hatred in other we are indead a blessed people.

Frances Harrison 54yrs. <cella1@webtv.net>
Age: cella1ms, Whistler, Al. USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 22:09:59 (EST)

Frances Harrison 54yrs. <cella1@webtv.net>
Age: cella1ms, Whistler, Al. USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 22:05:42 (EST)

To the person, who asked about the slaves of Kemet, do not speak with a colonized mind. Slaves in those days were varied, they could have been captives from Nubia (not racial) or they could have been Slavs sold from Central and Eastern Europe. We are not trying to divide people up by complexion, but we can never buy into the idea of a multiracial Kemet, to do so is to say France around its medival height was multi-racial. That kind of thinking is absurb and not scholarly. The reason we like to proclaim Kmt's blackness is because of the fact, European like to claim Kmt if only by an Indo-European relation as they did the Harrapan Valley civilization. We ask then if Kmt was multi-racial, couldn't the Akan nation of Bono or the middle age Yoruba state of Oyo. In the European mind set, the Negroes could never accomplish anything like Kmt, without our intervention or our extinct relations, which is racist within itself, except its disguised in the rhetorical words of multi-cultural and multi-racial society. Yes, I know you will say Kmt is multi-racial if the Slavs were, at least, slaves. Unfortunately, I'm speaking of a pre-dynastic Kmt before the Slavs and the Germans ever came down from the western steppes of Asia and Nordic area, respectively. Before the Greeks migrated from up north, we were one people and one color, the whole of Africa. Sorry, I have a meeting to attend and could not address your post, more clearly and profoundly. Hetep!!!

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 16:47:59 (EST)

theres alot of people who rigg my name but the egyptians were black

pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 11:51:10 (EST)

theres alot of people who rigg my name but the egyptians were black

pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 11:51:03 (EST)

I agree with the complaint about the name calling. Childish and unnecessary. I do have a problem with the contention of the birth place of civiliation, which has yet to be established, and probably never can truly be,but not with the possibility that Africans could be responsible for it. Please, if this is supposed to be an intellectual discourse, let's stop the basic ignorance of grouping people by colors, which are names that do not denote race, but perceptions and distinctions of separation. I am not "white", although called it. and I've yet to see a "true" "black" man. We could get a lot accomplished by using accurate desriptions. What white and black denote idn our society is opposition and separation. Being in medicine, I cringe when i see otherwise educated people write a color in the "race" box. For the record the only true black skin I have ever seen is in necrotized tissue, as in gangrene, "dead " tissue, and the same for true "white" skin, which occurs after lividity, when a deceased body has stayed in a position long enough to have all the blood seep to he bottom, again a stage of death. It boggles me to see a person like Farrakan described as a "black" man, when he's pinker than me. anyway, I do recognize the Africans, and the fact that egypt is on the continent, however, tell an egyptian that they are Africans, or Black, for that matter, they do not agree. This does however, bring up an important and significant fact. If he Egyptians were/are black,and since it has been well indicated that the most extensive and efficient,owing o all the implications that makes it heir to, use of slavery was the construction of the pyramids, then who were the slavers, and who, the slaves. I bring this up, because it seems all too often people want to claim the good stuff, without he excess baggage that goes with it. If this is the orgin of the species, it is also the orgin of the evils of the species, including slavery. All to often, I find those wanting to set history right, yet want to place blame for the uncomfortable parts with others. I've had people try to claim slavery as an American invention, of to claim it was crueller, in America, which is not borne out by research. Just as I believe proper descriptions benefit the interactions of our peoples, so does the recognition that with claiming orgins, you must accept responsibilities, that are tacit in that claim. When we realise that we are much the same in our orgins , desires, abuses, and expectations, we might be able to quit trying to lay blame, and work to rectify that which we have all allowed to go terribly awry. Thanks

S. N. <Ibrowse@webtv.com>
Age: 48, Las Vegas, Nv' USA - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 21:24:56 (EST)

S. N. <Ibrowse@webtv.com>
Age: 48, Las Vegas, Nv' USA - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 21:22:09 (EST)

EVERY BODY STOP AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHAT KWABENA ADOFO DANQUAH IS SAYING THE GUY HAS DONE HIS HOME WORK AND IT MAKES PURE SENSE AND BESIDES TO THE GUY WHO SAID "i have proof the egyptians werent white by looking at nose of ramses the second" HEY MY FATHER HAS THIN LIPS AND A POINTED NOSE EVEN SO MORE THAN A WHITE MAN BUT MY FATHER IS JUST AS NEGRO AS ANY OTHER BLACK PERSON THIS PROOVES THAT BLACK PEOPLE COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 16:44:43 (EST)

While speaking to a local elder and educator of Kemet, he asked me what's going on on the internet. I told him he would be proud of all the info and conscious people discussing ancient Kemet, but I also told him there are many hateful people, who dare admit to a indigenous Kemet. He told me when dealing with these individuals to also refer back to timeline and sequence of events that took place. He said by reconstructing the timeline, your only viable weapon, you can began to put things in their proper perspective. Start from the pre-dynastic age to Menes (Narmer) and take note, after that, go up to the time of the Hkysos invasion, piece by piece, he said. He told me,"young brother, this is your only defense against the doubters, attack them with their own information and they will dissolve all stands." After that, he told me, go up to the Greek age and learn the lessons of the time. Remember, Egypt is a Greek word given Kemet or (Kmt to satisfy all you wannabe linguists out there) and by replacing the names the Greeks to claim of the area, which rapidly increased the miscegnation of the people to form the so-called "Meditterrean sub-race?" of Caucasiods. Later, the Romans and the Semites (Semi-Black people) vied for control of our beloved country. Around the 1th thru 11th centuries, various African tribes migrated towards the west and south in a mass exodus of a land torn by the people of the "North". The Bible tells you that Ham and Shem's children remained black, while the children of Japheth went to the isles of the "Gentiles" (Europe). Also the Gentiles are those people who did not practice circumsion, contrary to the children of Ham and Shem, including today's African folks, who did circumsize. The children of Ham and Shem, according to biblical passages, readily intermixed and intertwined as family relatives should. Shem's seed eventually became more of a mixed type of people through the enslavement and immigration of Japheth's offspring. This is a short and brief half story of our people. to be continued!!!!!

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:37:48 (EST)

Masri if you are an Egyptian you must take into consideration that you do not represent the phenotype of the founders of Egypt or any other African civilization any more than modern Americans represent the indigenous peoples of North America. And to the dummy who claimed a single article of human imagery of Pharaoh whatever, you cannot choose the facial characteristics of one man to define those of an entire people. What are you idiots, stupid or what? African-Americans have every claim to Egypt to the great kingdoms of Ghana, Mali, etc.. You stupid non-intellectual racist asses should first take a trip to Africa and each and every one of you will shut the #$@^$$?$ up, because African peoples are the most beautiful and most diverse phenotype upon the planet. We are the beginning and the end of human development. As soon as you dumb asses finish destroying the ozone we will be rid of you parasites for you are defective and inferior. Your skin color is absolutely detestful. This site is not for your people anyway. Go to a Klan site or something. Why are you people so interested in black folks anyway? Is it because you always have since the beginning of time? Geez, go away you pesky little flies. Go to a site about Europe and talk about how Africans were using irrigation systems to dispose of human wastes while Europeans were throwing piss and shit out of their windows! I'm sorry my dear brothers and sisters but I just had to go there!!!!!!!!

WISDOM ETERNAL
Age: Forever, USA - Wednesday, January 27, 1999 at 18:41:42 (EST)

Hamites are not "Black" white people, they are Black People. The first people created on Earth were Black. Adam and Eve(Khavah). HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Tuesday, January 26, 1999 at 14:05:38 (EST)

I see I have no challengers, no one willing to orderly present valid information to prove their arguments of "Black" white folks or the "Hamites". Actually, how could they when Cheik Anta Diop proved beyond doubt the fantasies of white supremacist. Another note is white supremacists are not the Klan and the like organizations, exclusively, no white supremacists are those people, who fail to accept African claims to civilization, whether they be academia, arm-chair scholars, movie directors, cartoonists, talk show hosts, theologians, actors and actresses, Congress members, or even white friends. Many of the white people of the world are white supremacists, that's a fact. But that's another story and too long to explain here. I know many of the people will say that is a racist statement, but in actuality those who do not agree are only perpetuating the racist concept and mind of white supremacist. Notice the play with words on white supremacy, many Klan folks are mainly separatist and nationalist. White supremacists can not exercise supremacy by teaching separatist ideology, no white supremacists teach love, friendship, rhetoric, and false humanitarianism. Macolm X has just got a stamp (of approval) and the white masses are in an uproar. "He called white devils, should he have a stamp" is being sung like a mantra among conservative supremacists, but as an descendant of African captives I say its fair. George Washington, a slave owner and possibly "nigger killer" in his own right is an identifying emblem of U.S. democracy and freedom. How ironic a man who denied others of their freedom is the poster boy of the world's freedom machine. And what about Mr. "all men are created equal and are endowed certain inalienable rights by the Creator" Thomas Jefferson, who was incidentally himself, a oppressor and worst a child-molester committing a horrible U.S. crime statutory rape. Its funny in Mr. Jefferson's memoirs, he spoken about the innate and geneitc inequalities of the white and black races. So what, Macolm called whites "devils", from his perspective as a oppressed Black man they were. And if you deserve to fault him and bash him, then fault Webster's Dictionary and the white supremacy establishment for its entry in Webster for "Black man". I'm sure no Black man is an evil spirit, boogey man, or devil. Hey Macolm came out and called whites "devils" like a man from his mouth, more than white supremacists who hide it rhetoric and unabridged dictionaries like cowards.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Tuesday, January 26, 1999 at 13:23:17 (EST)

That's right! Hamitic and Semitic refer to languages. Ham(Kham), Shem, and Japheth(Yefet) were all Black Africans from Akebu-Lan. Hams sons are Mizraim(Egypt), Cush(Ethiopia/ Sudan), Phut(Libya), and Canaan(Canaan/Palestine). Check these books out: Family Matters, and Nile Valley Contributions To Civilization. Also, the Middle East(Western Asia), is really North East Akebu-Lan. HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Monday, January 25, 1999 at 11:48:12 (EST)

Pardon my mistakes in the previous entry. I have a question. What in the world is a "Semite" and a "Hamite"? So all of you who assert there actually are these certain people, define it and then explain the reason why you define it as such. It time we all put up or shut up, there's no need to introduce our wants and desires in a scholarly guestbook, without backing up our claims as a scholar. Afterwards, tell me why Asr was depicted as a Black man and why his sister, Ast with Hru are portrayed as the Black Madonna and child. Also, why is it the chief priestess of Amon was an Ethiopian (and Ethiopian is Greek for "sun-burnt" for those of you who want to assert they were Black white people or the so-called Hamites)? After that, why is the Sphinx nose lost to time? Why in the white supremacist linguistic grouping of the Hamito-Semitic languages or Afro-Asian is the Egyptian language categorized as Hamitic, instead of the Semitic as you claim? And why is the Hausa, a Black African group from Nigeria, language group is Hamitic, also? Thank you and I challenge you to provide answers?

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 17:34:56 (EST)

I see we have a few individuals voicing some un-founded opinions about the nature the Kamau. Frankly, to the one individual, who say Afro-Americans have used Egypt as a easy target of identification, I must tell you I am Akan and "Afro-American". I traced my heritage to Ghana and Nigeria. I practice Akan beliefs, speak the Twi language and celebrate my Akan being, but as an African, I do assert that Kmt is African and I have cultural and genetic ties to the Hapi River area. A few more African people make up my genetic bloodline, these groups are the Ga of Ghana, Ekoi of Southeastern Nigeria, the Bambara of Central Mali and the Kikongo speakers of Angola. If you knowledgeable being know anything of these groups it is that they all possess oral traditions (like those of Kmt) of migrating from the Northeast. The Ekoi are interesting because they have an ancient form of hieroglyphics, comparable to those of Kmt, and according to the annals of white supremacy, Encyclopedia Britannica, the Ekoi have a feasible claim to the Nile River area. If you study the many African groups, you will find many similiarities to Kmt, that are unlikely to have been brought by cultural diffusion. Again, many of you "scholars" overlook the relevance and validity of eyewitness reports of early European travelers. Also, if you are, indeed, speaking with some fact and not "unbiased" hatred for Blacks, you will notice the Kamau never referred to themselves as genetic different to the "sable and dusky men of the south". The idea of an traditionally non-Black Egyptian is nothing but a envious fascination in the minds of Black African haters parading as undisputable, scientific scholarly-sound fact. Until, white academia refute the claims of Diop's Black Egyptians with logically sound and well-tested trued evidence my mind will remain unswayed by the rhetoric and disguised lies of supremacist. I know like many educated people of the world the white world is decaying from its filth and is extremely desperate to hold to its throne. So you so-called scholars, I challenge you to provide real evidence from an anthropological, socio-political, cosmoslogical and symbolical frame or else shut-up, cause to disregard African's oral traditions are hogwash or invalid proves you speak your ideas with hatred and not from a scientific, objective view. Prove it or shut you pretended fantasies up!!!!!!!! Hetep!!!!!!

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 17:20:25 (EST)

times have become even more absurd. as an egyptian from the delta i find is completely absurd that afro americans want to claim a culture that is not only not theirs but to find any way to justify it such as expanding what defines a black negro to include ancient egypt. THIS IS CALLED USUARY. shame on the message board administrator for claiming most blacks have noses and lips and hair like the non blacks (caucasians and semites)! HOW SAD HE HAS TO STOOP TO THIS LEVEL OF ABSURDITY TO CLAIM A CIVILIZATION THAT HE IS NOT A PART OF. the truth is always the victim. you want to drag you're white/black american problems to my country, Egypt (masr).don't you know Kemit is spelled kmt ommiting the vowels because that how semetic languages are written! DO YOUR HOMEWORK, EGYPT IS NOT YOURS!

masri
USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 16:45:06 (EST)

http://www.desk.nl/~pdenijs/mummies/ramessesII.html this is a digital mummy photograph of ramsis II...PROOF THAT EGYPTIANS WERE NOT NEGROID. NOTE THE POINTED NOSE OF THE PHAROAH.

proof that egyptians were not black
USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 16:36:19 (EST)

Dear Wahisani, Thank you for your moderate point of view, but please allow me to examine your statements. > This would be true if we are talking about "Contemporary" history. However, with ancient history, archeology tells the whole story. Egyptian history is revealed from documents, artifacts, and tombs uncovered to give us a glimpse of the past. Western scholars did not come to Egypt claiming her civilization as their own, and the fact that black Americans are trying to do that now, is what is upsetting all of the Egyptians on this board, and many in Egypt as well. This is not about color or race, this is about claiming something that is not yours. Why don't you claim to be Moroccan or Tunisian or Algerian, or even Libyan for that matter? > I don't know if this is necessarily true. African people have wonderful heritages, all different from one another, and all splendid in many ways. Black Americans just didn't know where to look and found Egypt an easy target for their "Identity search" to save themselves the effort of studying about a whole wide variety of African cultures, which they as Americans cannot relate to now even if they tried. > The Anglo-Saxons who studied Egypt did not try to make the Egyptians anything else other than Egyptians, which is more than I could say of the Black Americans whose motives in any such study would be highly questionable. The main and most important element in scientific research is detachment. You cannot set out on a study with a presupposed idea. That would most definitely impair your ability to render an unbiased conclusion. > I'm glad you asked. According to the latest archeological finds, there is a theory that says that the original Egyptians crossed the Mediterranean sea to the Nile Valley from what is known now as Turkey. A prototype of the Egyptian cities in its primitive stage was found in a Turkish village whose ancient name is lost, but which is now known as "Catal Huyuk". This archetype of the Egyptian city is primitive but provides the basis for what was later developed into the sophisticated ones found in Egypt. That would make the Egyptians, originally, not African. HOWEVER, once they came to the Nile Valley, with their Semitic language and semetic heritage, some "Hemetic" traces surely could be found later in their culture because they were affected by the nature around them AND they surely reached deeper into the heart of Africa. This said, it must be noted that the Egyptians, being from a more knowledgeable organized society, were in a position to affect the people whom they came in contact with MORE than be affected by them. Yet, the Egyptians were extremely curious and left nothing unstudied, and hence did not treat others with disrespect or as inferiors. > Actually in all my years of study about my own civilization and culture, I've never found this to be such a great issue except with the Black Americans, and I suspect it is because they are in search of something to be proud of. Oh, sure, historians want to know the origins of each civilization, but not whether the people were white or black or purple. They want to know it stages of development and the path it took to reach its final destination. When Black Americans make is a "white/black" issue, they are simply missing the whole point behind the study of history and human civilization. They are in fact looking at the world from the very narrow perspective of race relations....which is extremely unfortunate. > Well, this is a private American issue now. Egypt has nothing to do with that. Black Americans are projecting their problems on Egypt, and I don't think this is fair. > If this board bears witness to anything, it bears witness to a group of people who are lost without an identity, refusing to accept their American identity, and finding an easy target in Egypt to make themselves proud of anything, even if they cannot legally or historically call it their own. Black Americans like Laziiza, cannot accept the fact that they are Americans, eventhough they behave in the usual arrogant American fashion, waving money as a threat if we didn't give her part of our culture and throwing the regular American slogans of "Racism" "Fascism" and all the "isms" just because the poor Egyptians are trying to reserve their history for themselves. Shame on all of you!!! Do some soul searching and leave us alone. Accept your past, your present, and look for your future as the American citizens that you are. You've earned it, so why don't you want to accept it and respect it? > Actually, Wahisani, none of the Egyptians on this board behaved in any inappropriate manner. Protecting what is rightfully your heritage and your history is not in any way stupid. What is stupid is this wild goose chase. What is stupid is stupid the title of this series of posts. It is stupid because it reflects a small mind, a small mentality, and a small aspiration. An aspiration of finding "ANY" identity for a lost people who are too lazy to make one for themselves NOW. This is not about color. This is not about race. As I've said before, if a Scandinavian claimed Egypt as part of his heritage, I would deny it just as vehemently. If Black Americans chose to see things only in terms of black and white, then all I can say to them is: "Too bad! There is such an array of colors, such other nobler ideas that you are missing out on." Best Regards,

egyptian history used by black americans
USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 16:33:08 (EST)

I believe that Africans were the frist people to walk the Earth. There is so much evidence to support this. Afrcians were also the frist people to record history. We as African Amercians have responsibility to learn and teach our history to our children and youth. This would be a paridise if every person that is of African decent knew their history. "If you know the past,you can see the future clearly" Let us learn so we can make great progress for the future. Keep learning and past along the information to others.

Yvonne Varner <michael_varner@notes.toyota.com>
Age: 39, Piscataway, N.J USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 19:54:32 (EST)

NOW THIS IS MORE LIKE IT THE ANCESTORS ARE PROUD OF OUR WORK!

PHAROAH
USA - Wednesday, January 20, 1999 at 13:59:03 (EST)

The words below are very inspiring and en-blackening. An African's point was proven beyond doubt and only an illogical being would attempt to contest, including the writers of the "Bell Curve". We, as African people, are a beautiful people. I remember as a youth asking my grandmother why white people don't like us. She replied,"Baby, because we are the rainbow of the world". My grandmother was a very light-skinned Black woman with Native American features, but you could never tell her she wasn't a Black woman. She instilled in us, even with her limited knowledge, that we were Black before we were anything else. I guess she knew the strength our people possess and the power we can harness at any moment. To further add to the preceding presentation, how many of you have read Frances Cress Welsing's "Isis Papers"? If not it is a must read, regardless if you don't agree with every hypothesis posed therein. My favorite, not particularly from her book though profound in itself, is the urge for Europeans to become sun-burnt or "Ethiopians". They persist to increase their risk for cancer by basking in the sun like a group of beached whales, how ironic when we were mis-educated that our dark-brown complexions were a Hamitic curse. Also, has anyone notice the mind-boggling admiration of black sports athletes, while at the same time the colonization and desired takeover of diasporic African music, art, language, dance, and the commercialization of Kwanzaa and proverbs by Europeans is take place. Who would have thought twenty years ago that the proverb, "it takes a village to raise a child" would resonate thru-out the world from the mouth of America's first lady as she speaks to Americans, Asians, Europeans, and even African women? Is this a case that our beautiful ladies have forgot this ancient adage and now need a white "Savior" to re-introduce African morals to them? Sounds familiar. A case of white supremacy. For more info on white supremacy and European thought, read Yurugu and process the information for an expanded consciousness. I said that to say, we are beauitful people and in the words of Louis Farrakhan, "We are the trendsetters of the world" every since our inception. Give thanks. Meda ase. Hetep.

kwabena adofo danquah
USA - Wednesday, January 20, 1999 at 13:34:17 (EST)

To Mr Paul and any interested person, Human genetics tell us that the Africans and people of the African diaspora have the most rich and diversified genetic patterns in the world. The Africans have any kind of genes and genetic patterns you can find in any part of the world. The Africans also have genes that you don't have. What does it mean ? It means that the space of possibilities, or potentialities of the Africans includes (strictely) that of the other races. It means that the Africans can do whatever the white skinned people can do, and sometimes better ! Your genes have nothing specific to you. You genes are not specialized in any kind of human activities. Your genes are just like those of the Africans. Your particularity is that you lack some genes. Your genetic patterns are relatively close to each over. You cannot be superior to the black people, in any kind of human activity. It is impossible that the black people are inferior to you, simply because any kind of genetic pattern that may appear within the white race may also appear within the black race. However, there are genetic patterns that can appear within the black race and that can never appear within the white race. All these genetic facts means that you are naturally inferior (to use the words you understand). If you are looking for the strongest or the weakest person in the world, according to any kind of human attribute or activity (religion, spirituality, mental power, physical power, politics, technical or scientific intelligence, music and arts, love or hatery, whatever you want), it is within the black race that you have the best chance. More importantly because of the richness and the diversity of its genetics, the black race is the most likely to produce extraordinary persons, that are usually so precious for human kind. You can find many examples easily, i need not to say more. Yust one example in science and technology : go to the web site http://emeagwali.com. You have a living example of an extraordinary Nigerian, who took the initiative to present himself on the web. He has no equivalent in computer science and applied mathematics, because he obtained the Gordon Bell prize in 1989(the equivalent of the Nobel prize in computationnal mathematics). He obained this prize alone! This never happened before. Usually the prize is given to many (multidisciplinary) research teams, atleast to a single team with many researchers who are highly qualified in specific domains (maths, computers, physics, chemistry, mechanics, biology, ...). He solved one of the most famous scientific problems that were identified and classified "unsolvable" a long time ago because of the uncalculable number of imminent white scientists who tried in vain to solve the problem. Philip Emeagwali is also the designer of the most powerful supercomputer in the world. His work has openned a new way for supercomputing and scientific simulation in general. The NSF has a new "huge" project framework called "Computationnal Infrastructure", that is intended to use networks of supercomputers on the Internet, for scientific simulation. The results from Philip Emeagwali offer the scientific basis for such research projects. During the 80's, researchers in computer simulation have been discouraged by the very bad results they obtained from the use of supercomputers. Many articles have been published about human genetics on scientific journals worldwide during the last year. The authors are worldwide famous (true) geneticists, nothing to see with the authors of "The Bell Curve" who really do not understand genetics, but are simply abusing of the ignorance of the average people for their own obscur objective (sell books, convince African Americans that they are inferior, political (e.g. stop Affirmative Action) .... These genetical results are in line with the general intuition of people who are really aware of the characteristics of humans, historical facts, cultural and lingistic data, and so on. Any kind of culture and language known in this world is known and practiced somewhere in Africa. It is within the black race that the most extraordinary people appear, in all domains, and all time according to the true history. You the white suppremacists and your complices know this, and you can't support it. You started your pathetic struggle about four centuries ago, to hide some facts and show the others according to what you believe is good for your ideology. You steal your results from black magicians, scientists and inventors and kill (professionnally) the authors, or atleast you hide them from the public. You assasinate black politicians. You support black musicians, sportives and you pride black dealers and criminals to convince the world that they are only capable of such things. The higly educated white people know that you are genetically limited. That's why you maximize your effort to use any kind of genetical and environmental capabilities(including humans) you can have. You are fighting permanently to get a cultural and enviromental superiority. It's only by doing this that you can get something for yourself and be sure to preserve your future. You're like students who have limited capabilities and who are whorking hard (and even cheating) to graduate. You don't even understand the questions that are asked at the exams. But keep in mind that as long as you graduate, it will be more difficult for you. You almost always drop before the good students. The good students just do the minimum necessary to graduate, and they go very far. Some of theme will have an unlimited success. You never did something important by yourself. It's only during the last 3 or 4 centuries that the white people have been able to develop something important. You have been able to do such things only by enslaving and/or destroying other humans. This is typicaly the behaviour of people who are inferior, who cannot achieve something important by themeselves. Before the enslavement of the African people you were well knows to be the world's best barbarians, civilized by Africans and (later in the middle age) by the Asians. Your technological, intellectual and cultural developpement during the last four centuries was supported by the Africans. Even until the begining of this century, most of the technologies you obtained were invented (or brougth from Africa)by your African slaves. Your prodigious technological and scientific development after the world war II was supported by the immigrant jews (Albert Einstein is the most famous example). And from about twenty years ago, your development is supported by the Asian immigrants. Everything confirm that you are inferior. After all we love you. We love the entire human kind. Our black race wonderful, a must, a gift for the human kind ! Some political leaders worldwide (particularly the arabs in North Africa) are calling their people to marry with blacks in order to preserve and enhance their genetical data !!! Excuse me for my bad English, it is not my usual language. I've yust lurned English in secondary school.

An African
- Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 20:27:59 (EST)

Greetings to all my relations: Must we argue over the question of superiority. We must'nt let our minds become embroiled over petty issues, when a real issue posed by Paul awaits us. Unfortunately, I must agree with him when he stated at the present moment our condition as Africans in America is as shaky as a swinging pendulum. We come to this guestbook and debate issues, sometimes offer praise for our ancestors, but we are still, as African-(Americans), in an uncompromising position as to our true liberation. We need to offer solutions. We admire and philosophize about the Hapi civilization and our apparent inheritance of it, but as descendants of the Kamau, we are a disgrace. We need to not only marvel at the inventions and creations but use the African genius, innate within us to rebuild civilizations. A people cannot build when they are squabbling over petty and mundane issues. By rebuilding a civilization similiar to the empires of ancestors, there is no need to argue with those who assert our inferiority. Stop re-active and become pro-active. Are we the true descendants of the Kamau or are we pitiful, re-active scum living an existence as the cultural and intellectual children of the world? My words were not intended to offend but inspire creative thought and positive actions. Meda ase. Hetep.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
Age: 23, shreveport, la USA - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 20:18:25 (EST)

Dear Paul I am not going to let your confuse Black people and others with your nonsense about evolution. The fact that white people came from Blacks does not mean that whites are supeior. All change is not progress. Some change represents DEVOLUTION (SLIDING BACKWARD). From a scientific point of view, white people are a genetic mutation to albinism. Just like the albino bunny rabit,the albino mouse, the albino tiger, etc. None of these mutations is superior to the ORIGINAL stock. In fact they are INFERIOR. So Stop lying to Black people. You know better, because you know the TRUTH. A PROUD BLACKMAN

A PROUND BLACK MAN
USA - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 19:40:55 (EST)

It saddens me more than I can even express that researchers and historians would delebrately overlook and dismiss any evidence about human origins simply because of the skin color of a particular group. It saddens me even more that we are still, in this scientific age, squabbling over such a detail. Why must everyone take things so personally? Why must everything revolve around skin color. Obviously our "civilization" is not as civilized as we thought.

krzygrl <krzygrl@hotmail.com>
Age: 19, Davenport, IA USA - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 13:53:30 (EST)

IT IS MOSTLY LIKELY THAT PAUL WILL FEAR ME HIS CREATOR !!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 12:41:05 (EST)

My dear, dear brothers and sisters: Do not let your head and hearts get sidetracked by slime that should not even affect your lives. Please read the above message from Mr. Clegg. This is a guestbooõÿaˆð.ÒÀð4`€ð4`€yone says something distasteful,õ˜¥¡öŸH“€ð0·@ðB&ÀðBä@ositive attitude and knowledge with those of us who are interested. Let's not soil this guestbook, that is not what it is for. Let us all honor and respect Mr. Clegg's request. This is the least we can do, after all that he has done for us - Shemhotep

Karen C. Aboiralor <Kcamm23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Monday, January 18, 1999 at 16:01:36 (EST)

Paul excelling in abuse, lies, murder, exploitation, oppression, hatred, theft, paganism, apostasy............... ........etc..., are not signs of a higher human form, those are the exact traits of the devil(Satan)! BE CAREFUL!!! You need to look at more than just earthly things!!! BROTHERS AND SISTERS SOON ALL THIS BARKING WILL STOP!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Monday, January 18, 1999 at 13:11:48 (EST)

No Mr Pharoah, if white man wanted to we could recolonize Africa tomorrow and send you back to the cotton plantations.You see the sad reality for you is that we rule and you are loser.

Paul
USA - Sunday, January 17, 1999 at 08:30:21 (EST)

NO PAUL THAT MEANS YOU ARE INFERIOR NOW BOW DOWN TO YOUR BLACK CREATOR!

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 16:39:33 (EST)

If the black man is the oldest race of man then this obviously means white man and all the other races have evolved from the black man which means the the black man is inferior.

Paul
USA - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 14:02:56 (EST)

Now he knows what he's talkin' about (look below)

Pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 12:03:49 (EST)

Man it is amazing how many racist ignorant asses have accessed this site. To all of you who refuse to accept truth. Genetics have proven that all human beings share a single African origin. The mitochondria dna passed on from mother to mother since the beginning of the beginning proves all of humanity derived from an African. Even you pathetic racists who are so filled with hatred that you can't think straight. Go to a bookstore and learn. The book is called African Origins and its written by a white man who is not afraid of truth. Respect your mother and father. And all of this crap about the greatness of white civilization and lalalalala, get over it. The only thing youve contributed to is the downfall of humanity with your desires to be Creator-like, God-like, or whatever you worship. Technology will be the downfall of humanity. What is surprising is those of you with the fairest skins will die out first. So don't think you guys are getting the last laugh. Meanwhile I'm just spraying aerosol into the air to get rid of you faster. The strong shall survive as does truth and knowledge. Go out and get some.

Knowledge Eternal
Everywhere, USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 19:06:19 (EST)

Johnathan, we have to look at the fulfilment of prophesy,about the prophet, and by the prophet. We have to look at their fruits. Did they go against The Word, or even their word? What about their principles, not values, but their principles? Which spirit did they have? We also have to have FAITH, read the WORD, and PRAY to ELOHIM(THE MIGHTY ONES)/God. This is also a good question for Kwame, at www.poyinc.org HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 15:55:38 (EST)

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Rodney Jordan <raj@melanet.com>
Norfolk, VA USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 12:59:54 (EST)

maat newsletter please send me some back issues of the maat newsletter. thank you your brother in the struggle for african liberation. jamar ausar allah

jamar ausar allah <allahjamar17@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 12:29:05 (EST)

the imformation pertaining to the ancient pyramids in china was some very intriguing information. In addition, this con firms that the black wasn't just confined to africa,but encompassed the entire continent of asia. In other words, this shows and proves that the black man or African were the original inhabitants of the planet earth.

JAMAR ALLAH <allahjamar17@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 12:21:40 (EST)

Hey Fam, I'm reading The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors by Kersey Graves. The problems is I'm trying to verify his assersions. He asserts that the virgin birth, resurrection, and other divine qualities attributed to Jesus Christ was borrowed from other older cultures. He says Aser, Krishna, Prometheus all share identical stories, but that these guys, are more ancient. I'm to verify Krishna now. Having a hard times wading thru all the exstainous text at the library. Can any body turn me on to some books, or other sources?

Johnathan <hardingmedia@hotmail.com>
Age: 30, USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 00:40:34 (EST)

THE TRUTH IS BEING KNOWN

PHAROAH
USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 12:37:53 (EST)

Ham, Shem, and Japheth were all black. Ham was not cursed by Noah, the curse was put on Canaan, (one of Ham's sons). Here are the sons of Ham, and the regions they went on to inhabit. Cush(Ethiopia/Sudan), Mizraim(Egypt), Phut(Libya), and Canaan(Palestine/Israel). Also, remember the Suez Canal was built between 1859-1869...what we now call the Middle East is really Northeast Africa. ELOHIM BLESS AKEBU-LAN i.e. (MOTHER OF MANKIND or GARDEN OF EDEN)!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
- Monday, January 11, 1999 at 08:59:28 (EST)

First of all, my beloved brothers and sisters, cowards like Paul are and will never be able to soundly defend their case. We, all know, it is the Yurugu who Paul refers to. Because of their own inferiority complexes and lack of self-esteem, they try to claim the so-called "dark continent" accomplishments to the European genius or the ever mythical "Hamites". My question is, if Ham is the progenitor of the Black race and we, as Afrikans in Amerikkka, are cursed because of Ham, our "fabled" father, does that mean the so-called "dark-white" Hamites are really Ethiopians? These Euro(peon) scholars are never exact with their imperialistic theories, that's why so many loop-holes come into play and much intellectual acrobatics are used to dance around the real issue. Another question is, if Egypt is in Afrika or the imaginary "Middle East" but varies different from "Black Afrika", does that mean there could possibly be a "white Europe"? And if there is not a white Europe, why is it Euro(peons) claim every other continent achievements as their own, how come they can't just be satisfied with their own pitiful piece of land (Europe)? White folks suffer from self-hatred at extreme pyschological levels, notice the need to perm (curl) hair, the need to incorporate Afrikan values of art and beauty, the need to suntan or become sunburnt people (Ethiopians). Just a thought.

Kwabena Adofo Danquah
Age: 23, Shreveport, La USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 16:15:42 (EST)

paul. Your assertion that we "Afro-Americans" believing in Black Egypt because of so-called low self-esteem is utter crap. And that continued nonsense on this red-black soil slop is losing it's creditbilty. You know deep down that you believe that the Ancient Egyptians were Black, and your closed-minded ego won't enable you to admit it. And coming in here with your censored racist crap will not change any minds. And for you Tim X, your either a non-black trying to pretend to be black, or you must hate the way you look when you look yourself in the mirror. First off, it is virtually impossible for the whites to cause such a change in the genetic stucture of african people thousands of years ago Because 1:)There were very few whites to do this, against the hundreds of thosands of blacks that were there. 2:)And let's say a bi-racial child was born, who would this child most likely marry when it grew? Another black person of course. and their child would come out as black as any other pure african. For this "mixed" society to happen, their children would have to marry the very, very, few whites and -fewer- mixed people, while at the same time, have to avoid marrying the thousands and thousands of africans that were there. And this "mixed" society would have to have a population that rivaled the africans in order for a genetic change of such porportions to happen. In which none of this happened. "Then why do some of those africans lighter-skinned and have thin noses and thin lips?" you whine. Because there are several classifications of black people. Because africa has different weather patterns in different areas. If a people arrive to a different area and stay for a very long time, there would be physical changes happening in order to adapt to the enviroment. So the thin noses and lips at that time had something to do with adaptability to new surroundings, not white people. Like there are different classifications of white people in europe, but they are still white, there are different classifications of asians in asia, but they are still asian, there are different classifications of blacks in africa, oh.... but the ones with the thin noses are white or mixed. That's so stupid. You had your pure africans who had dark skin, light skin, caramel skin and different facial features as the result of the different enviroments in africa. So even with the different classifications of black people in africa, they are all still black. And Whitney Housten is black (and broke the nose of a racist once). The Ancient Egyptians were and looked black. The soil just had worms in it.

thrash
Ca USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 15:52:23 (EST)

who asked you Paul? what do you know about the true egyptians and some of you toss that light skin bull "if your light skinned you look like an egyptian" thats HOGG WASH !!THE TRUE EGYPTIANS WERE NATUAL BLACK AFRICANS WHY WONT YOU EXCEPT IT ! i mean the white man cant have every thing ! just get over it obviously they are lying if there trying to defend there lies if they were truth tellers it would effect them none,,what led them to this site obviously they were in search to see how effective the black man is and if he did find the truth yet! the native egyptians of the years back werent even like skinned matter of fact the white man was the symbol of evil leporsy and death thats why on the scroll of the dead it showed a white egyptian cause it mean he was dead and the live egyptian formed his usual black brown or reddish-brown skin color!!! BLACK PEOPLE THE WHITE MAN FEARS YOU AND YOU ONLY IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY HE WILL GET AFRAID AND BECOME WEAKEND HE IS TRYING HIDE AS MUCH FOR AS LONG BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY WILL COME WHEN THEN NEGRO SHALL DOMANATE AS IT WAS IN THE BEGGINING SHALT IT BE IN THE END!!!!!

pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 14:49:18 (EST)

pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 14:47:58 (EST)

who asked you Paul? what do you know about the true egyptians and some of you toss that light skin bull "if your light skinned you look like an egyptian" thats HOGG WASH !!THE TRUE EGYPTIANS WERE NATUAL BLACK AFRICANS WHY WONT YOU EXCEPT IT ! i mean the white man cant have every thing ! just get over it obviously they are lying if there trying to defend there lies if they were truth tellers it would effect them none,,what led them to this site obviously they were in search to see how effective the black man is and if he did find the truth yet! the native egyptians of the years back werent even like skinned matter of fact thewhite man met leporsy and death thats why on the scroll of the dead it showed a white egyptian cause it mean he was dead and the live egyptian formed his usual black brown or reddish-brown skin color!!! BLACK PEOPLE THE WHITE MAN FEARS YOU AND YOU ONLY IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY HE WILL GET AFRAID AND BECOME WEAKEND HE IS TRYING HIDE AS MUCH FOR AS LONG BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY WILL COME WHEN THEN NEGRO SHALL DOMANATE AS IT WAS IN THE BEGGING SHALT IT BE IN THE END!!!!!

pharoah
USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 14:46:15 (EST)

Black brothers and sisters, can't we all get along? Why must we try to covet the Egyptian heritage when there is so much to be proud of from our black ancestors. Our black ancestors came from West Africa: Ghana, Nigeria, Ivory Coast and the Central Congo. If many look light skinned today, it's because many have mixed with the white man. Just look at Whitney Houston, Vanessa Williams and those grey blue eyes of Smokey Robinson. Sure, when they's light colored like that, they appear to look like Egyptians; but the true black Americans didn't come from Egypt and the lies must stop!! Let us be proud of the Kingdoms of Benin and Zimbabwe. We have more akin to Idi Amin than to the pharaohs. Maybe we had no written languages, but we had a marvelous culture. We don't need to rip off another ethnic group to be proud.

Timothy X <timX@alkhahal.edu>
Age: 43, CA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 13:50:59 (EST)

PLEASE BUDDY I KNOW MORE ON ANCIENT EGYPT THAN YOU YOUR FATHER AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY WILL I RE ACKNOWLYGED THE BLACK MANS THEME AND CULTURE MUSTAFA YOU A WHITE BOY WANNA BE ANY WAY YOU DONT HAVE NO CULTURE IN ABED-KULAN THE NAME OF OUR CONTINENT BEFFORE YOUR FOREIGN WHITE FATHERS DEFILED IT WHY DO I WAIST MY TIME ON PEASANT FORIEGNERS LIKE YOU AND THERE MY OTHER EMAIL ABOVE AND BELOW

PHAROAH- TO MUSTAFA <PHAROAH53@HOTMAIL.COM>
Age: 30, HARTFORD, CT USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 13:16:50 (EST)

WELL YOU GOT IT GUY THERE IT ALL IS YOU WANT IT YOU GOT IT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROCLAIM WHOSE WHITE ?..I PROCLAIM THAT THE EGYPTIANS SHOWED THEMSELVES AS BLACK PEOPLE AND IF THEY WERENT BLACK IT WOULD BE OBSURD TO COLOR YOUR SELF NEGRO THINK ABOUT IT NEXT WHY WOULD A PEOPLE SUCH AS THE EGYPTIANS DEVOTE AN ENTIRE RELIGION TO BLACK SOIL THATS STUPID AND THE WHITE MANS STUPID FOR SAYING THAT DAMN LIE KEMET MEANS LAND OF BLACK PEOPLES AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TO DAMN BAD HERES MY EMAIL YOU KNOW WHERES IT SEND ME THE STUPID PIC I KNOW THE TRUTH DO YOU?

PHAROAH,,SEN-RE-HOTEP-SEN-MAKAMED <PHARAOH54@!HOTMAIL.COM>
Age: 30, HARTFORD , CT USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 13:11:15 (EST)

I would say that it was eurocentrism that hid, destroy, change, stole and screwed up our history. They want to decide on what and how we should learn about where our ancestors came from, and who they were. I guess they want us to think that our history started from slavery. Afrocentrism is just a means of informing about the real truth against a backdrop of an eurocentric worldview.

egyptian black? Nope, just the Ancient ones.
Ca USA - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 11:50:00 (EST)

TO PHARAOA: FIRST IF YOU WANT I CAN SENT A PICTURE OF ME AND MY FATHER THAN YOU WOULD NOT SAY ANYMORE THAT WE ARE WHITE, BUT YOU DONT GIVE YOUR E-MAIL ADRESS YOU DONT SAY YOUR REAL NAME WHAT FOR A PERSON YOU ARE? WHAT FOR PROBLEMS DO YOU HAVE? WHAT I HAVE DONE TO YOU? NOTHING ISNT IT? I HAD NEVER SAID THAT THE ANCIENT EGYPTS WHERE WHITE. I HAD NEVER WROTE RACISICTIC WORDS ABOUT THIS THEME, THE MOST LETTERS AND ARGUMENTS ARE RACISTIC. FOR ME AS AN HALF-EGYPTIAN I LOOKED FOR MY ANCIENTS AND I FOUND THEM IN THE EASTERN-SUDAN. SOMETIMES I THINK YOUR COLOR IS BLACK BUT YOUR BRAIN IS REALLY WHITWHASED. MOST OF YOUR BROTHERS ARE LOST; LOST AFRICANS BUT MAYBE THIS DISCUSSION CAN HELP YOU TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF AFRICA. BUT YOU TALK ONLY ABOUT THE COLOR. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE (NOT PHARAOAS) IN THE ANCIENT EGYPT, HOW DO THEY LIVED; WHAT KIND THOUGHTS WERE IN THE BRAIN OF A ORDINARY PERSON IN ANCIENT EGYPT. THATS MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME, THAN TO DISCUSS AND DISCUSS ABOUT THE COLOR. WHAT THE WHITE HAVE MAN DONE TO YOU THAT YOU TALK ONLY ABOUT THIS PROBLEM? I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN USA AND I DONT WANT TO TRAVEL IN THIS COUNTRY WHY YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY THE ANCIENT LIVE? IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO FIND OUT HOW THE SOCIAL-STRUCTURE WERE ORGANIZED IN THIS TIME. AND IF YOU ARE BRAVE YOU GIVE YOUR REAL NAME AND YOUR REAL E-MAIL ADRESS. SO WE WOULD SEE WHO IS WHITE!

MUSTAFA MUSTAFA DARWISH (SAF-SAF) <DARWISH@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de>
Age: 27, DARMSTADT, GERMANY - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 09:31:38 (EST)

Afrocentrism is a pseudohistorical, political movement which claims that African-Americans should trace their roots back to ancient Egypt which, it is claimed, was peopled by black Africans. Some of afrocentrism's claims include that the ancient Greeks stole their main cultural achievements from black Egyptians; that Jesus, Socrates and Cleopatra, among others, were black; and that Jews created the slave trade of black Africans. The main purpose of afrocentrism is to encourage black nationalism and ethnic pride as a psychological weapon against the destructive and debilitating effects of universal racism.

egyptians black? i suppose the color green is too.
USA - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 02:54:14 (EST)

Lately, it seems we have been blessed to hear the uneducated and hidden agenda or shall we say, opinionated, "unbiased" ramblings of lesser minds. These individuals consistently and unwittedly smear their pseudo-intellectual thoughts on a website and guestbook devoted to the wholesome recovery of Afrika's golden heritage. It appears to this writer, these individuals I'm speaking of suffer from a crises I label, "Fear of a Black Planet or at least a Black Civilization". These lesser minds take desperate stands and oftimes revert to name-calling to prove a theory which has no concrete evidence of support. The record, regardless of how many Euro-centric arm-chair specialists disagree, is Kemet, in terms of linguistic support, equates to "Black land". Many times, these guys conveniently ignore their father of history, Herodotus, reports of Kemet as a colony of Ethiopia.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
Age: 23, Shreveport, La USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 21:39:23 (EST)

The terms "negroid" and "caucasoid" do not refer to skin color, but to physical features, such as lip thickness, flatness of the nose and relative degree of prognathism (the jutting forward of the jaws). As explained in previous posts, many African people who are described anthropologically as "caucasoid", because of their facial features, can also possess black skin, woolly hair and other attributes, commonly associated with "blackness." As for the reddish-brown skin color of the Egyptians in Prince of Egypt, you are correct in saying that it matches the color that Egyptian artists usually gave to Egyptian men, in their paintings (women were sometimes portrayed with yellowish skin, but not always). Most experts agree, however, that this skin color was an artistic convention, meant to convey a sort of "average" complexion of Egyptians, just as the black color used to portray Nubians seems to have been intended to convey an "average" or representative complexion for the typical Nubian. It seems reasonable to conclude from these portrayals that the average Egyptian may have been somewhat lighter, in complexion, than his neighbors to the south, the Nubians. However, even the Nubians are often portrayed with a lighter brown color, and so they were probably not uniform in their appearance. The same was undoubtedly true of the Egyptians. Their skin color probably varied greatly, from one individual to the next. None of this is really relevant to the question of whether or not the Egyptians were "black," since Africans vary widely in skin color, throughout the continent. The so-called Bushmen of the Kalahari Desert, for instance, have yellowish skin, but are still considered "black." The real problem with the Egyptian characters in Prince of Egypt has nothing to do with skin color (in my opinion, at least). It is that none of them look "negroid". This does not fit the anthropological evidence, which suggests that a large portion of the Egyptian population would have had unmistakably "negroid" features. Instead, Dreamworks made them look like Arabs. I believe that Dreamworks portrayed the Egyptians as Arabs, in order to: 1) Please their Arab consultants, whose favor was so eagerly courted, that Dreamworks invited them to a special pre-release screening of the movie (I am not aware that Afrocentrists were invited to any similar screening), 2) Satisfy the prejudices of Prince of Egypt's predominantly white audience, who probably would have balked at the sight of large numbers of "negroid" Egyptians.

prince of egypt--it's only a movie
Ca USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 20:44:59 (EST)

The Ancient Egyptians referred their land as the "Black Land" because they saw themselves as being black. Other African people saw them as black, the Asians saw them as black and the Greeks and Europeans saw them as black.

X-Dude
Ca USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 16:39:42 (EST)

these lies are obviously not going to fool egyptians or anyone else besides afro americans. egypt was a very mixed society and it still is. on ancient egypt the south was dominated with darker skinned people and overall more negroid looking people untill you hit nubia, where true black africans are. the northern half of egypt was lighter, and they had features that where very UN-NEGROID. this doesn't mean they're white, but it DEFINATLY means they are not negro. go to the cairo museam in tahrir, cairo and see for yourself how UNBLACK these people looked. Kemit means BLACK SOIL, NOT BLACK SKIN. anyone whoever studies linguistics of egypt can find this out. Kemet is spelled KMT, with ommited vowels sounds because like other SEMETIC LANGUAGES, vowel sounds are ommited. No intelligent person is going to believe that all of ancient egypt was a pure black race. the only people who do, do so in their own interest and false pride.

tutankhamun
USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 04:42:37 (EST)

Hows come you boys was cleanin our shitters and wipein our lily-white asses for 400 years? You surely dont look ike a race of kings. Yous gots smaller brains and lower IQ than da white cracker, Hows come?

The Klansman. <srz3096@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 22:33:43 (EST)

I agree. We must unite, coming together under ELOHIM, in a war against Satan, his demons, and his human agents. In fact we have already won. They're just barking...soon that will stop too!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
USA - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 15:08:02 (EST)

why must we spite against ourselves upon relations of the bible to all men does there religion God lives forever and he is with us we must unite and war upon those who despise us!

Pharoah
USA - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 09:55:26 (EST)

I believe that we can maintain our identity, and accept salvation at the same time. What we should ask ourselves is, Who or What started this whole thing in the first place? I mean, how did the Universe begin, (man is not alone in the Universe) Who or What made the Earth? When we answer these questions, we'll know whose manual to use. We'll be able to choose our guide, and who, or what we'll place our trust, and belief in. We'll know what, and or who will be the basis of our FAITH. We also need to understand the nature of man/woman, the human components, and human needs. My personal belief is that the human being has a spirit, soul, and a body. The spirit is the spark of life given by ELOHIM, and the spirit is also the part of the human mind that acts as a receptacle to either the HOLY SPIRIT, or Satan, the evil spirit. The spirit is the center, or root of human operation. The spirit, (being inspired/motivated by either the RIGHT SPIRIT, or the wrong spirit) directs the soul, (the thoughts, will, and emotions) which in turn tells the body(the senses/the flesh) what to do. We have the ability, (free will/choice) to choose the RIGHT SPIRIT, or the evil spirit to fill our spirit, and lead us. Remember the enemy is trying to get us off our game. Having FAITH IN ELOHIM was first an African concept, as Adam and Eve were African. We have always been a deeply SPIRITUAL PEOPLE, but with all the misinformation and miseducation coming from white supremacy, and eurocentricity, a belief in YAHSHUA MESSIAH, or even spirituality, has become distasteful for the Black Man/Woman. We must remember which spirit is behind that. White supremacy not only wants to destroy us in religion, but it/he wants to destroy us outside of religion. Let's know what we gotta know, and do what we gotta do, with THE RIGHT SPIRIT!!! THIS IS OUR HERITAGE! LET'S HAVE FAITH!!! HOTEP!!!

Jawanza
USA - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 09:37:58 (EST)

Continuing from my entry of earlier today:- A DISTINCTION WITH A DECIDED DIFFERENCE: Much of what we call education is actually schooling, training and skill-development (st&sd). Education and st&sd are not the same thing at all. The former is about perennial learning, caring and self-imposed behaviour modification for reasons having to do with the obligations of the unique human endowments. The latter has to do with "making it". An educated person who doesn't care is an oxymoron. An educated person shuns envy, bitterness, arrogance, hate and unsublimated anger, and derives no pleasure from others' misfortune, or satisfaction from the denegration of others. A person schooled, trained and having developed skill(s) can very easily be uneducated and therefore totally self-absorbed (i.e.,inter alia, narrow and uncaring). In fact, st&sd facilitates the acquisition of resources, which, without education, puts a premium on fame, fortune, power and prestige over wisdom, integrity, restraint, responsibility and obligation. Finally, no one can educate anyone else. Each individual has to educate him/her self. There is only one place from which one can obtain this education ---- the School of Life. It is not available in any man-made institution (except to the extent, of course, that such institutions themselves are a small, but integral and important, component of the School of Life). Those are the places which provide st&sd, at least in part. Given the foregoing, it is clear that the combination of much st&sd and little education is a recipe for the persistence of inanities such as notions of the fundamental superiority and/or inferiority of groups of the species homo sapiens relative to one another. Further, given what appears to be, what I will refer to as, the various distribution functions of types and quantities of st&sd and education among the various groups of our species currently, the existing human transactions and interactions, between and within the groups of the species, are not particularly surprising.

Douglas D. Glover <dwightg@grouper.batelnet.bs>
Freeport, Bahamas - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 13:56:28 (EST)

Obviously, the ancient Egyptians were similar in appearance to the Jews, as Moses, as well as other Jews and Egyptians believed that Moses was an Egyptian. If all these people could not tell the difference between a Jew and an Egyptian, then obviously the two people looked remarkably alike.

jonah <inkspot4@hotmail.com>
Age: 26, LA, CA USA - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 09:59:18 (EST)

As long as the infrastrucural underpinnings for wealth creation remain so skewed between the Afro, Asian and Euro groups of our species there is no chance for interdependence between the groups and therefore, for putting to rest, once and for all, the inane notions of fundamental superiority and/or inferiority of any of the groups relative to one another. Interdependence can only exist among groups which are first sufficiently independent, one from another. Groups so positioned relative to one another soon recognize that interdependence means survival. They will either act interdependently, in a mutually respectful way, or they will all succumb to the inevitability that seeking absolute independence, or acting in ways which imply absolute independence as a possibility, is self-destructive. The key is that for the Afro group to meet the requirement of a sufficiency of independence (currently, that is), the group needs to be far more scientifically and technologically sophisticated as producers than it is. This, in turn, requires an economy of GLOBAL significance and influence. So the question is: Where, on the globe, is there the landmass potentially available to poads (people of African descent) to build an economy of size and strength sufficient to support the birth, growth, on-going expansion and renewal of this scientific and technological infrastructure with GLOBAL significance. One guess! Well, here's the point:- if not Africa (regardless of the myriad reasons why this is just a foolish daydream), then it will be nowhere. All other continental assets are either taken or frozen. In fact, some may argue, and ligitimately to boot, as to whether Africa is available. It seems to have been balkanized, used and abused for the benefit of other groups and left on the scrap-heap of history ----- his-story. Further, if the democratic capitalist paradigm is to be the model for such an economy, then Africa cannot have (if it is ever to develop such that the Afro group becomes relatively independent) 57 countries ---- 9 in North Africa and 48 in Sub-Saharan Africa ----- while, for example, North America has 3, two of which, if not all three, come under control of the Euro group of our species. Note just two points of detail: (i) If one is a citizen of the US or Canada, one can download files, originating in the US, through the internet with deeper encryption than is possible if one is not. Although pressure from commercial interests is being brought to bear to change this, that is largely concerned with the European market. (ii) On January 1, there was the official launching of the Euro. The first of these two points is a significantly more minor point of detail than the second. Regardless, as the saying goes, "the devil is in the detail". The point is that the Euro group is at the helm of a GLOBAL economy underpinned by scientific and technological sophistication organized for production, from landmasses where consolidation seems to be the order of the day. Is there any likelihood that the contiguous 48 states of the US will become 48 "sovereign entities"? Is not Western Europe (and even now, parts of Eastern Europe) attempting a second such economy for the Euro group, despite whatever obstacles exist or arise? If a democratic socialist paradigm is to be followed, then the question becomes:- How is an economy, of such size, strength and complexity as to have GLOBAL significance and influence, to be centrally planned? Further, Marxism is more akin to a religion than it is to a paradigm of viable economic structure. Of course, we all know that NO economy really functions for the benefit of "the salt of the earth". Nonetheless, a far, far smaller percentage of the Euro group comprise the salt of the earth, than the percentage of the Afro group that does. It is, relatively speaking, our limited scientific and technological sophistication as producers which dictates that what should be obvious (Ancient Egyptians being Africans) is a point of contention. We cannot cure the neuroses of white supremacy, which exists in all groups. We can, however, do lots about our schooling, training and skill development (st&sd) and education, both as individuals and as a group. If we do a good enough job of this, then the neuroses will become, largely, a problem for the neurotic themselves. Education entails, of course, knowing OURSTORY and knowing that history is just that, his-story, notwithstanding his vile protestations to the contrary. In fact, the surer our path, the louder and more vile they will become. Exhibit A, is their ignorance, arrogance and insidious rationalizations portrayed by their entries on this site. However, as the saying goes, "never mind the noise in the market, just mind the price of the fish". Just ignore what, I'm sure, is not at all a surprise to the moderator of this site. However, it IS astounding to witness the depths of depravity to which supposedly civilized members of the species homo sapiens can stoop when ignorance, arrogance, hate and a neurosis fed by interminable mistruths combine. Finally, above I implied that there is a distinction between st$sd and education. I will elaborate on this, somewhat, in another entry.

Douglas D. Glover <dwightg@grouper.batelnet.bs>
Freeport, Bahamas - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 05:41:53 (EST)

Live and direct from the bible belt, to melt the ignorance of a lily-white assumption of a homo-sexual Christ (krst). Yashua was a revolutionary and was crucified because he challenged the authority of Rome and her puppets or (UNCLE TOM NEGROES- does Boule ring a bell). X-tianity is a mechanism based in sound spiritual traditions but perverted to enslave the minds of the masses to a cirriculum of white supremacy. We, as AFROED-AMERICANS, have always overlooked the validity of our own spiritual traditions for the ***Best belief system in the World***, the doctrine of a white savior. What ever happened to Oludamare, Kle, Nzambi, Manu-Lisa, Damballah do these undeniably Afrikan Divinites ever fit into the equation? Or are we apologists, who have yet to rescue and SAVE ourselves from the ravages of the White Supremacy-inverted Afrikan inferiority complexes introduced to us by the Yurugus. What point is it to learn about Afrikan culture and concepts to forsake it and never reclaim it? Many times, our answer because we are so comfortable within our lil pleasure zones is "All religions started in Afrika, all religions speak of the same Deity, and besides Jesus was Black". A weak reply is this, because many Afrikan people had little to no contact with the Jesus theory before their enslavement in THIS WORLD, not Afrika. Think about it? For those who insist Jesus or Yashua was Black, describe him. Did he have an afro or dreads, bald head or weaves? Now describe the white Jesus, from your mental picture. Which one do you see? Powerful, let's reclaim our heritage and let's pay more attention to the rituals and beliefs of our Pre-Slavement Afrikan ancestors. What sense does it make to wear kufis and dashikis and eat fufu and speak Swahili, when we disregard our natural and tradition spiritual customs for a Rome Catholic and Greek Freak created prison. Hotep!!!!!

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah>
Age: 23, Shreveport, La USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 21:33:43 (EST)

Jawanza, .......if you are waiting for salvation from the sky and a reward in the grave .......what good is it to learn the TRUTH of OUR history.......whatever paul told the Gallatians is not neccessaraly true for our experience now ..........stand on the principles of SELF-DETERMINATION ........we also read the bible and can interpret to meet OUR needs......it's time we leave that father , son and holey ghost bussiness alone and get with the FATHER,MOTHER, SON concept.....which is older and more natural........... .........I defy the god which comes from the sky......... .....Yahsua ben- Yosef told us the search is internal....... Yah in MAN.....without MAN, GOD is an unknown entity....... ......if there was no man........who would know GOD ? ............so Yah , Jah , ALLAH , GOD .........is in man and that is where he dwells.....and MAN must be as GOD..... when yuh sit at the bus stop waiting for GOD and salvation from the sky, you become powerless, waiting for help from the outside ......when yuh internalize the God concept the yuh begin to take charge and control of your OWN destiny.......as one walks in the confidence that the MOST HIGH is in each of us ALREADY then one can see the true value of life......each precious lifeform in this creation......has a universal RIGHT to achieve it's highest potential. The concept of the I AM ..........older than the pyramids.......

Jahreal <jahreal@bellsouth.net>
USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 18:38:43 (EST)

I just want to mention again that we must rely on ELOHIM, and HIS WORD, THE HOLY BIBLE!!! The answers that we need are there...Eve and Adam...Noah and his sons, Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Also, Babylon was probably the greatest civilization and World Power ever in ALL of history; esp. in terms of their minds, abilities, and brain power. We know that the Bablonians descended from Nimrod, who descended from cush(Ethiopia), who descended from Ham, who descended from Noah... If we must consider race, (even though there is only one human race) remember that Blacks have dominant genes, while Whites have recessive genes. Secular science suggests that the first humans were Black. Anyhow, YAHSHUA MESSIAH WANTS TO SAVE EVERYONE, just ask HIM TO PLACE A RIGHT SPIRIT WITHIN YOUR SPIRIT!!! For those of you who insist on other books than the BIBLE, you may want to read a strong historical and secular explanation in a book called, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, by Dr. Walter Rodney. An OUTSTANDING Spiritual Healing book/guide is Family Matters, by Kwame Ronnie Vanderhorst, (Hotep Productions,1997). Some more GREAT BOOKS are, The Black Presence In The Bible, by Walter A. McCray, (Chicago Black Light Fellowship,1990), and Nile Valley Contributions To Civilization, by Anthony Browder, (Washington, D.C.:Institute of Karmic Guidance,1995). BROTHERS AND SISTERS, KEEP THE FAITH, YAHWEH ELOHIM SEES EVERYTHING,AND HE'S TAKING NOTE!!! HE IS GOING TO PUNISH THE WICKED!!! NOMMO!!!

Jawanza
USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 18:32:20 (EST)

THE GREEKS AND ROMANS STOLE THE TEACHINGS OF THE BLACK MAN FROM EGYPT THUS THEY LEARNED AND BECAME CIVILIZED THE ARABS BURNED OR ERASED PRECIOUS BLACK HISTORY AND SCROLL TRUTHS AND ON THE LANGUAGE ISSUE THE REASON WHY THEY SAY THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE WAS SEMETIC WAS BECAUSE THE SEMETICS LEARNED HOW TO READ, TALK AND WRITE FROM THE BLACK MAN (THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN) OF WHOM HE WAS TAUGHT BY HIS BLACK NUBIAN ANCESTORS

PHAROAH
USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 09:14:09 (EST)

I've just finished watching this show on the discovery channel, it was about how old the spinx really was. And they say that the degradation of the spinx was mostly caused by constant rainfall (and I mean constant). The evidence they found of this is that the sides of the spinx, has clear evidence of water degradation. The sides had all these cracks that would indicate that water had continully ran down those cracks--making them bigger. And meteorolists had indicated that the last major rain weather patterns in nothern africa was about 10,000 years. Does anyone else kmow of this find? What I found odd about this show, was the the actors--playing acient egyptians--were white, but all those computer generated graphics they showed of what the spinx's face might have looked like, was clearly a black face. And the police sketch artist (who I think was mentioned in Black spark, White fire) did a sketch of what the spinx's face might've looked like. The weird thing was that they didn't showed his finished sketches on screen. I wonder why?

X-Dude
Ca USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 09:12:38 (EST)

X-Dude
Ca USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 08:50:34 (EST)

People say that the truth hurts... so every time I hear someone say that the ancient egyptians were black, I usually feel this great pain in my toe, or sometimes on my pinky. The truth does hurt.

X-Dude
Ca USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 08:16:42 (EST)

It's all in the Bible...start with Genesis. From Adam and eve to Noah...we are all in the same family! You can read the history...nations rise and fall... The only lasting and complete Revolution will occur when Yahshua Messiah returns to reward His children, (good and bad) according to Spirit that they allow to live inside their spirit/mind. There is a Right Spirit, and there is an evil spirit. Don't worry brothers and sisters, The Almighty Yahweh Elohim can see EVERYTHING!!! Even this webpage, and all the entries. Have FAITH!!! Also, Elohim is ALL KNOWING...not man...so for some of you, humble yourself, and please don't act like you know everything! THAT IS A SIN TOO! Read Galatians 5. HOTEP!

Jawanza
USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 04:22:25 (EST)

......GUNPOWDER.......A CHINESE INVENTION.......now the strangle hold has moved to the economic realm........ the tactics still used today by the melanin deficient...... divide and conquer.......control and manipulation........ but every wise one knows time and circular concepts......yet but a little while longer and ye shall not consider the wicked........360 degrees to the fullness

jahreal
USA - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 21:07:03 (EST)

If the blacks are the children of the ancient Egyptians then the ancient Egyptians represent the absolute pinnacle of black achievement. If the ancient Egyptians were white then they represent the very primative beginnings of white civilization, either way the white man is superior to the black man. Moreover, if the white man is descended from the black man it means that the white man has evolved further and thus has passed the black man in terms of intelligence and industriousness. If the black and white have evolved seperately the white has passed him up. It all seems very simple to me, the black race is inferior to the white race how else can one account for the gap between the two races. How else could the white man have enslaved the black man.

An unbiased person.
USA - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 15:13:41 (EST)

I am glad I came upon this site. Now I dont feel guilty about my family's role in the slave trade. My family grew immensely wealthy as a direct result of the slave trade and I have always felt a little guilty about my life of privilige. Now that I have learned that blacks had white slaves I feel then it is only fair for my family to have been involved. Thank you so much for liberating me. One thing though, I believeit is the jews who are perpetuating the lie that blacks had no culture. The motive for this would be to keep us whites feeling guilty and ashamed of our past, thereby keeping us from becoming racially aware and taking over the world. I will tell all my white brothers and sisters about this site. Even were we not to believe it it shows us that b lacks want to believe it or that were the circumstances different the blacks would be slave masters either way it does liberate us whites. Thank you so much for all your work and even though it was not your intention you have done more for me than 30 visits with my shrink.

Helen Dunes
USA - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 11:43:56 (EST)

looks like someone is trying to pretend to be five different people by posting five different messages in a row with different names. that's typical of someone who knows the truth about black egypt, and can't do anything about it. i hate to say this, but racists can be funny sometimes. lol...!!!!

proctor & gamble
Ca USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 23:43:35 (EST)

My daddy says negroes is feeble minded. My teacher says I should find out for myself. I decide to conduct a survey. My siste Tammy Lynn has a negro boyfriend, Tybrell. She says that he is feeble minded, but that he is well andowed( I dont know what that means). I have known three other negroes and two of them was definitely feeble minded, the other one was almost as smart as a white person possibly a negro genius. Well I was wondering if some of you negroes could write to me and then I could determine if you is feeble minded. I think it good that negroes is free. I sorry for slavery and all the whippins you took as a slave. I hopes the best for youb negroes I really do.

Billy Bob Jr. <srz3096@aol.com>
Age: 12, USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 22:15:55 (EST)

GOD! what crap I have seen on this site. None of it true. Do you afros really believe this stuff? You gotta be joking nobody with a rats ass worth of common sense can believe this. You people make up names, you make up holidays, and now you are making up history. What's next make up math 2+2=5.

Ronald Wilson
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 20:36:12 (EST)

I just watched a documentary on ancient Egypt and the drawings and statues that they made of themselves did appear to be caucasian in physical appearance. This may be to do the fact that blacks tend to select the caucasian features as more pleasing to the eye. I would direct you to the studies done in which black children pick white dolls over black ones as being more physically attractive. Also the ancient ones did not have knowledge of the wheel and they believed the heart was the source of emotion and intelligence. I for one do not think it entirely impossible for them to have been black. If they were black, they were the absolute zenith of black evolution. If they were white, they were the primative beginnings of white evolution. Peace to all black or white.

Kent Ojima
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 20:08:42 (EST)

I think you people have been watching too many movies like "Planet of the Apes". Do you really believe all this garbage? You are not a race of kings. Nobody is a "race" of kings. Did you know that Ethiopia has a military that has 9,472 Generals and 9,387 privates? What happened to your great civilization? How could it have degenerated so far? If you really were the descendants of the great Egyptian civilization what happened? Dont you think it makes more sense that the white man is the real descendants?, afterall, we are the ones who still have a great civilization. There are no great black countries today, none, WHY? could someone please explain why they faded away if they really did exist, I'm not saying that there were no great black civilizations maybe you are from ancient egyptians, just explain what happened. And please dont blame whitey, afterall he is inferior to you.

Just laughin my white ass off.
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 18:05:04 (EST)

Whenever, you as a black person begin to partake on the journey of consciousness, you are more than just studying ancient Afrika, you are, at once, reliving the glory of your ancestors and diligent studying now acts to inspire you to kujichagulia and kuumba to restablish an order of Afrikan greatness (Afrika's latest golden age- the Pan-Afrikan Golden Age). Kemet was a colony of Ethiopia and therefore acts as a conduit to the mysteries of the blameless Enia Dudu. Many nations of today's Afrika have oral traditions of migrating from the place, known as Upper Kemet. The Yoruba, in particular, have many commonalities with the Kamau. Divine kingship is strong on the Afrikan continent, as well as, matrilineal inheritance and succession. In essence, to study the culture of Kemet is to take a prerequiste for Afrikan cultures. The cultural unity of Afrika is there and will forever be.

kwabena adofo danquah
Age: 23, shreveport, la USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:34:49 (EST)

glad to see this site geared for blacks.

hello
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:28:56 (EST)

I agree that we need to look up other civilizations in africa, by doing so, we would have a better understanding about us. And I intend on looking this up--after I finish studying about the Black Ancient Egyptians.

X-Dude
Ca USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:09:50 (EST)

Akwaaba. First and foremost, all things come into existence because of Nyame, the Creator. Secondly, to the Nsamanfo, whose blood encoursing the veins of the hope of the Afrikan nation. We, the diasporic Afrikans, are children of great people. The legacy left to us is one of khutis (pyramids-houses of fire), symbols of cosmic intelligence, Khemi-stry, al-jabar, plagarized theorems, oral traditions long in tales of marvelous epics, the blameless Ethiopians, Imhoteps, poly-rythmatic artwork and acoustical sound, vitality of life and many more, far from being the creations of linear minded Caucasians and so-called "Semites". When the "shepherd-kings" invaded Kemet, these nomadic barbarians could comprehend little of the knowledge of Afrika and eventually sought to destroy, what they couldn't understand. Like the Arabs who came behind them, they feared the might of the indigenous people. The evidence supporting the claims of Black African Kamau is substanial. As a brother who was fortunate to visit Kemet a couple of years ago, I will tell you first-handedly the people greeted me as a long-lost brother, quite to the contrary the views expressed in this guestbook by so-called "Eygptians". There are still people in Kemet, who are versed in the arts and sciences of the ancient ancestors. The knowledge still left in Kemet is kept and guarded by BLACK african priestesses, not according to the movie "Fifth Element", where a white balding old man is guardian. Remember the neter Amon, was served always by an Ethiopian princess, as his wife. One question arises, "If Egyptians were not Black, why is Asr (osiris) and Ast (Auset) depicted as Black people?" Before I finish my unguided ramblings, I want to share with you the experience I had when I bathed in the Nile. It was very spiritually profound and ancestral refreshing, knowing deep down inside I, once, before enjoyed the life waters of Hapi. It was reconnecting for me. Hotep.

kwabena adofo danquah <kwabena_danquah@hotmail.com>
Age: 23, shreveport, la USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:06:39 (EST)

why is it that the egyptians displayed themselves as negroes shown in a tomb selling there white foriegn slaves they viewed the asiatic(arab) as a light or yellowish type people little red they viewed europeans with there usual whiteess skin the lybian yellow skinned, the egyptian a reddish dark brown the nubian brown and the eithiopian black we know the ancients werent yellow skinned libyans we know they werent white skinned europeans we know they werent arabs because they didnt enter egypt untill the 7th century thus means they were brown negroes who in the lapse eventually become darker in color.....................................................

contisponfilaues
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:04:01 (EST)

I have blonde hair, blue eyes, and freckles on my fair skin. I certainly do not look black, but I do have some black ancestors and therefore consider myself black. In fact I indicated my race as black on my college application and on my S.A.T. exam. I was accepted to the college of my first choice. I was undoubtedly given consideration because of my black heritage.(my S.A.T. scores were a little low and my H.S. G.P.A. left something to be desired) I am proud to consider myself black and feel I deserve the special consideration given me, my slave ancestors suffered harshly so I could be here today. I just want to let everyone out there who, like me, looks white but, does have some black ancestory to go ahead and claim what is ritefully yours be proud of your blackness.

Tammy Lynn Baker <Srz3096@aol.com>
Age: 19, Brentwood, CA USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 15:03:16 (EST)

THE BLACK CIVILIZATION IS THE MORE SUPERRIOR AFTER ALL ONLY A STUPID WHITE MAN WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS A CAUCASOID KINGDOM IN THE HOTTEST PART OF AFRICA KNOWING WELL THE ANCIENTS WERE NOT WHITE PEOPLE I'LL GIVE YOU BUT 4 OUT OF 4000 REASONS : 1. DURING THE TIME OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS THE KING OF ASSYRIA(a white man) WROTE OF AHKENATON(a negor egyptian pharaoh) CONCERNING ATENISM HE SAID: Why must my messengers stand out in the hot open egyptian sun surely they shall die out in the open sun let his people stand out in the open sun surely for they thrive of the sun thus there skin looks as black as the rays shall bring forth unto them... THIS PROVES THE ANCIENTS ARE BLACK A WHITE MAN PROCLAIMED HIS WHITE PEOPLE COULDNT SURVIVE IN EGYPT AND THE BLACK MAN CAN 2. NOW THIS ONE CONCERNS THE SEMETIC ARABS WHO CLAIM THE EGYPTIANS AS WHITE OR ARAB: WHY IS IT THAT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN CHILDREN COULD RUN NAKED UNDER THE HOT SUN SO AS LIKE THERE PARENTS BUT THE MODERN EGYPTIANS(ARAB NOT NEGRO) MUST COVER THERE ENTIRE BODY TO PREVENT SUN BURN AND DEATH 3. HERADOTUS (A WHITE MAN ) WENT TO EGYPT IN THE DAYS ITS GLORY AND HEIGHT HE SAID: The egyptians they them selves bore the constanents of an Ethiopian the egyptians have black skins and wholly hair.. HMM EVEN A WHITE MAN HAS TURNED AGAINST THE LIES NOW WHY WOULD AN EYE WITNESS LIE OF THIS 4. THE EGYPTIANS THEMSELVES PROTRAYED THEM SELVES AS BLACK PEOPLE WITH DARK SKINS YOU CANT HOLD THE SEMETIC FEATURES BECAUSE EVEN THE NUBIANS AND BLACK ETHIOPIANS PORTRAYED THEMSELVES WITH WHITE FEATURES NOW I GIVE IT TO YOU THERES MORE BUT YOU HAVE THE FIND THAT FOR YOUR SELF..

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 14:50:44 (EST)

GREETINGS, I WISH ALL AFRICAN PEOPLE, A PROSPEROUS YEAR.

moktar salek laye <alidrisi@hotmail.com>
azoure, mauritania - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 14:43:00 (EST)

Let's assume that I buy into this baloney. The great black race is living in Africa being great and inventing all kinds of technologically advanced stuff. Let's assume that this great race is living, inventing, and just generally being great right? you with me so far? Then one day a dumb, souless cracker happens by and sees all this greatness. Well being an ignorant stupid creature he does'nt understand it so he looks at it and says "DUHH". Or let's assume that he steals (cause he is a thief too) the great ideas of the superior race. What would stop the superior black race from continuing its greatness? Why would all the superior black races have degenerated into what you see today? Why has the inferior cracker race developed a higly advanceded civilization while the black race is scatching in the dirt looking for a warm place to shit, comfortable shoes, some crack, and a white woman? Why do blacks have a smaller cranial capacity than whites? Why do the lower IQ scores of blacks correspond with the smaller cranial capacities? Why is it the more pure black(less white genetic material) you are the smaller cranial capacity you are likely to have? American blacks have about 20% white genetic material in them. This white genetic material accounts for the higher IQ of the american black (over the pure african black) Why do all the black inventors have a disproportionately high white genetic contribution. I know, I know,The inferior white man would never let a pure black man invent anything (do we just not let you invent or do we steal what you invent, some of you seem to claim both, if you think about it, if you really were superior or even equal, how could the dumb cracker do either one?)I suspect that the ones of you who are really into this are the ones of you who have a high content of white "blood" therefore you are reasobly intelligent and are justifiably frustrated. I would suggest to those that they embrace their white part because it is the white part that gives them supereior reasoning and intelligence over their "pure" counterpart.

Just an inferior cracker
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 11:03:07 (EST)

Ahhh! How refreshing it is to see negroes taking pride in their race. You people are killing each other at an alarming rate. I am gald to see that not all negroes are so brutish and violent. We have given you negroes a grand opportunity to truly merge into the educated world, I would hope that at least some of you take the opportunity placed before you. Do not be discouraged by the white racists who relish pointing out the fact that negroes have never had and advanced civilization nor have been technologically advanced. This is not rlevent. The white race was also at one point uncivilized and lacked technology. You have the opportunity now to go to our universities and be brought up to speed, once there, once there your race will then start to make advances. Please take what we have to offer in oue universities it is the key to stopping the violence in your communities.

Rupert P. Mahoney III
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 10:10:44 (EST)

billy bob you dont know to many negores,,and mustafa you dont have evidence thats a clear lie, get some knowlydge on the technical differences there is dna evidence that in fact negroes of west africa and of else are decndents of the ancient egyptians ,and heres the alarming part to this day they can find any evidence of the ancient nubians having any decendency to negroes of west africa and else where..

vizier
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 09:35:37 (EST)

DO SOME READING "MUSTAFA" BECAUSE THAT MEANS TRADER IN AFRICAN PRE MEMPHITE BRA THERE ARE DNA TEST THAT CONCERNS THAT WE NEGOES OF AMERICA AND ELSE WHERE ARE DECENDENT OF THE ANCIENT PEOPLES OF NORTHERN AFRICAN AREA OF THE NILE TAINSITING FROM AVARIS TO NUBIA YOU MUSTAFA ALSO NEED TO READ THE PRE MESSAGES WRITTEN BY Dr.Clegg CONCERNING THIS MATTER..DONT LET THE WHITE MANS LIE DECIEVE YOU..YOU PROBABLY ARE THE WHITE MAN

PHARAOH
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 09:28:04 (EST)

man.......the thirty years war ....the hundred years war... world war one , two .....it's a wonder that there are any of y'all kinda "negroes" left Mr. Rupert Mojones.....all of these were certainly Black on Black VIOLENCE........ shame .....aw...you wouldn't know what I was talkin' about ......forget it........

jahreal again
USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 07:12:24 (EST)

.....true Rup...all those negroes actin' up in Northern Ireland and all those negroes in Bosnia.....they're gonna hurt themselves........

jahreal <jahreal@bellsouth.net>
Age: 45, USA - Saturday, January 02, 1999 at 06:56:48 (EST)

I am glad to see the negroes have some pride in their race. You are killing each other at an alarming rate. I would hope you stop this needless violence amongst yourselves. You have been brought into modern civilization and are poised ,as never before, at the seat of power. It would be a shame to see your race self destruct. I encourage all primative peoples to have pride in their heritage. Do not worry that your people have not, as yet, made much contribution to civilization or technology. You are in a position to start making your mark in history. Please take advantage of the opportunity we have given you. Education is the key to achievement.

Rupert P. Mahoney III
USA - Friday, January 01, 1999 at 21:44:38 (EST)

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Karen C. Aboiralor <Kcamm23063@AOL.COM>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Friday, January 01, 1999 at 15:59:33 (EST)

My comment is below. I just wanted to correct my E-mail address it is Mujakeem@aol.com Thnk you my brothers any comments will be welcomed.

Mustafa <Mujakeem@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, December 31, 1998 at 20:33:44 (EST)

Hello my brothers. It pains me to learn that my people have given up the search for our great black civilizations south of the Sahara. I believe that there was great black civilizations out there, we don't have to falsely claim ancient Egypt as ours. The ancient Egyptians were certainly not black. My brothers please give up this notion that the ancient Egyptians were black. DNA tests have confirmed that we are not descended from them. This fact does not mean that black Africans did not have great civilizations, only that we have not yet discovered them. We can not wait for whitey to do this because he doesn't want this to be discovered. If it is to be discovered it will have to be done by us. Please brothers drop this absurd notion that the ancient Egyptians were black we have a greater culture than these white devils of ancient Egypt. Our great cities, when discovered, will make whitey's pyramids look like a pile of rocks.

Mustafa <ujakeem@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, December 31, 1998 at 20:27:07 (EST)

Dear Mr. Legrand H. Clegg II: I was elated in the fact that I was able to view your work. I appreciate your continuous effort to inform the world of a "WORLD HISTORY" that has been hidden from America since its foundation. Nonetheless, thanks to the internet super-highway, your work will finally become the information that will revitalize America and the World. I'll talk with you soon, and obtain Part 1-A Deluxe for my library.

MARSHAL ARNWINE <maarnwi@usa.net>
Age: 38, Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, December 30, 1998 at 22:09:08 (EST)

Tanu, it brings me great pain to see a brother access a sight and attack fellow people of color in regards to something as unimportant as hair style. This site is to promote unity and truth and knowledge amongst black peoples of the world. I reviewed just about every comment on this site and not one person resorted to discussion of something so petty as to hairstyles - personal choices. Truth and knowledge are forever. Matters of the flesh such as hair and skin are quite temporary. The end result being death and decay. We at this site are not concerned with such trivial matters such as those mentioned in your discussion. How dare you even go there when number one not every black woman or black man cuts or perms their hair due to shame. I for one am a black woman whose hair is naturally curly. I wear it curly and sometimes I wear it straight. I am not ashamed of my hair. I wear my hair proudly whether curly or straight. In fact its ignorant people like yourself who often ask me if I have a curly perm-which only goes to show that not every black person has kinky hair. Their are FOUR VARIATIONS of the black race and as far as hair texture, everything from kinky to straight is inclusive. You are wrong to overgeneralize people (your own people) who you personally do not know. This site is about the achievements of Africans and the dispel of myth and lies. Don't come here with that please. We got enough to deal with when the white supremacists come here and talk crap. We don't need that from you. I almost hope you are some crazy white man, if you are black - what shame you bring us.

Disappointed
Ga USA - Tuesday, December 29, 1998 at 22:53:29 (EST)

I believe the isolationist perspective in anthropology will bite the dust within the next few decades. I wish I could say the same thing for the ethnocentric biases of scholars. My white brothers wrote the book on racial isolationism, no doubt, and continue to defend their beliefs with rhetoric. It disappoints me somewhat that a "master race" ideology also exists among the oppressed peoples, but I understand it as a somewhat justifiable backlash of opinion. The single human race has long been devided into sub-categories based on appearance, but these are somewhat arbitrary in a interconnected population. A person from India living in America would most likely be classified as white, while that same person living in England or Europe would be classified as black or asian. The most important biological reality associated with race is resistance to sunburn! There have never been impassable barriers seperating human populations on this planet. On the human family tree, the farthest apart any two people living today can be, are 2,000th cousins, and that is only in the most extreme theoretical case. The one human race has always been in constant genetic communication with itself. Native Ameican brothers have long been denied their common place in this picture, by the myth which still holds strong, that the so-called "New-World" and the "Old-World" maintained practically distinct populations for nearly 15,000 years. This is Eurocentric rubbish. Ancient peoples, not only in Africa, but in Asia, Europe, and the Polynesians as well, were equal or better seafarers than Columbus. People from all these places were the ancestors of modern Native Americans. This makes intuitive sense when one notes the occurance of physical traits such as grey hair and beards among the tribes of the northeast, wavy dark hair in the south, and strong asiatic features among many tribes. The journey by boat from Asia can be accomplished without losing sight of land for more than a couple hours, by following the Aleutian Island chain. There is evidence that this path was part of a continuous trade route connecting the Persian Gulf and the Silk Road to the Americas. New World plant species such as tobacco and coca have been found in egyptian tombs, and there is evidence that old world plant species such as hemp and mulberries were present in the new world before Columbus. Giving one narrowly-defined race credit for the discovery of America is absurd, weather the race is Caucasian or Asian or African. America was only "lost" to those who did not know it existed. Each sailor's discovery represents an increase in his own knowledge, or that of his people, If they were previously unenlightened.

Joseph Wilson <Japwilson@aol.com>
Age: 21, Kent, OH USA - Tuesday, December 29, 1998 at 13:37:16 (EST)

THE TRUTH IS INLAIDED THE BATTLE HAS BEEN FOUGHT THE BATTLE IS ONE ..FOREVER LIVE BLACK AFRICA'S EGYPT GREAT PEOPLE OF THE KEMET RACE AND RELIGION...

PHAROAH
USA - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 09:52:03 (EST)

I am always pleased and excited to read or hear from those of us enlightend to the truth of history. In this time of great apathy and fear amongst our people(Africans), truth is looked upon as the lie, or too radical for practical use. I am sickend by the efforts of the powers that be, to portray Kemet as other than black. Their actions are evil at best and insulting. This however, pales in comparison to the evil and distruction we doing to ourselves. Today our culture is full self- hatred, self-denial, and submission. We have created a cultured were some 98% of our women have permed hair and HATE and feel SHAME of their natural(kinky) hair. Most black women have not seen a full head of natural hair (on their heads) since early childhood. Black men, we are culturalized in the same hatred of self. Our culture tells to deal with our hair by just cutting it ALL off. Black men as a culture wear the shortest hair on the planet on the account of SHAME as a culture. We also have become content and down right proud to wear our former slave-masters name from the cradle to the grave. Names are pasted thru blood, marriage or transformation not theivory. We are in a serious self-distruct mode and loving it. BLACK MAN, BLACK WOMAN, RISE UP!!!

TANU <lfrazie1@bellsouth.net>
Age: 32, ATL., GA USA - Sunday, December 27, 1998 at 17:34:06 (EST)

MY MAMA WANTS ME TO TELL YOU ALL SHE LOVES ALL HER CHILDREN. WE ARE HER CHILDREN, BEAUTIFUL AND BLACK, JUS' LIKE HER SOIL. MANY DAYS WE LABOR AND SUFFERED UNDER THE HARSH CONDITIONS OF XENOPHOBIC PALE ARABS AND EUROP(EONS). WE WERE DRIVEN BACKSEAT, BUT NOT LIKE MISS. DAISY AND CALLED SAVAGES BECAUS EOF OUR DEEP AND COMPLEX SPIRITUALITY. WE LIVED IN AN EVER INCREASINGLY RATIONAL WORLD, WHERE OURS (INVENTIONS) WERE THEN AND NOW PERCEIVED AS THE WORDS AND NOTIONS OF A BABE. WE ARE NOT CHILDREN, FOR ALL, WHOM EXIST SPRUNG FROM THE LOINS OF A SPIRAL HEADED MAN AND WOMAN, NOW DESPISED AND DEGRADED. WE ARE BEAUTIFUL, CHOCOLATE AND CARAMEL, CURLY AND WAVY, AS WE SAY DOWN SOUTH IT'S ALL GOOD BECAUSE IT'S US WHO'S ALL GRAVY. MAN, CAN YET TO COMPREHEND THE WORLD OUR BOLD BRONZE ANCESTORS MENDED INTO A COSMOS, INTERCHANGEABLE AND DUAL. PAMOJA TUTASHINDE. I LOVE YOU, MY PEOPLE, AS A SON OF THE BLOOD. WE ARE BEAUTIFUL AND PRECIOUS, ELDER AND WISE, WE BECAUSE I AM AND BECAUSE I AM WE RISE.

a son of mother Afrika
USA - Saturday, December 26, 1998 at 17:28:08 (EST)

BLACK EGYPT STANDS SUPREME!!!THE WAR SHALL CONTINUE!!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, December 26, 1998 at 09:08:13 (EST)

thank you this my first time at this site, the info great

anthony washington 42 <akw25@hotmail.com>
los angeles, ca USA - Friday, December 25, 1998 at 15:45:30 (EST)

Excellent commentary! Also, I have read your statement on Africentricity [inclu. comments on Lefkowitz, and others who have not initiated any research,read nor traveled to the Motherland yet express negative commentaries on the facts pertaining to Africana] and wholehearedly concur (I have done the res

Belita R. T. Franklin <belita@mediaone.net>
Age: 43, Jacksonville, FL USA - Friday, December 25, 1998 at 00:57:40 (EST)

MORE POWER! I have been screaming this message about ancient Egyptians having been Black at my TV every time I see a bunch of movie "Egyptians" who look like their names ought to be Johanson and Erickson. If you had to describe ancient Egyptians you would have to say that they (1)were brown skinned people (clue!) (2)many with braided hair (also a clue) (3)with African features (seeing a pattern yet?) and (4)who lived in Africa in 3,000 BC when no white people were there. Conclusion...... Duhhhh! ......duhhhhh! They were BLACK PEOPLE!

Bill Smith <Cybiz@aol.com>
Age: 37, Silver Spring, MD USA - Thursday, December 24, 1998 at 23:36:42 (EST)

MANY WHITE SUPREMACIST AND PALE ARABIAN NEWCOMERS WANT TO PROCLAIM THE PEOPLE OF KEMET WERE NOT BLACK. WE CHALLENGED THESE IMBECILES TO PROVIDE REAL CONCRETE EVIDENCE, A PART FROM THE PETTY, SUPERFICIAL RAMBLINGS THEY PRESCRIBE TO THIS GUESTBOOK. WE LEFT OUR EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR THESE ARM CHAIR COWARDS, YET BEING THE COWARDS THEY ARE, THEY FAIL TO LEAVE ANY RETURNS. IF THEY HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF ANCIENT AFRICA, THEY WOULD BE FULL AWARE OF THE CULTURAL AND TRADITIONAL UNITY OF ALL OF AFRICA. THERE WAS AND STILL IS NOT A "BLACK AFRICA", THAT'S LUDRICOUS. IT'S COMPARABLE TO REFERING TO A "WHITE" EUROPE OR "MONGOLOID ASIA". YOU, FAKE EGYPTIANS ARE THE RACIST. YOU TALK ABOUT WE ARE INVADING "YOUR" (OUR) COUNTRY WITH RACIST IDEOLOGY BUT WE HEAR RACIST SENTIMENTS THRU-OUT YOUR STATEMENTS. WE LOVE IT, YOU ARE OUT-RAGED AND ANGRY, THAT'S MEANS THE TRUTH IS BEING BROUGHT FORTH AND YOU PHONIES FEEL THREATHEN. LONG LIVE AFRICA, AND REGARDLESS OF YOU SO-CALLED EGYPTIANS, WE, THE MOORS OF THE SAHARA (MOBT THEMIM) ARE NOT A SHAME TO CALL OURSELVES BLACK. AND LOOK OUR ANCESTORS CONQUERED EUROPE. OUR MOTHERS ARE MOORISH WOMEN FROM NORTHEN MALI. OUR PEOPLE ARE THE SO-CALLED LEMTA "BERBERS". THE SO-CALLED FAKE "HAMITES". FAKE EGYPTIANS, YOU GUYS ARE PATHETIC. IF YOU SPINELESS YELLOW-BELLIED "EGYPTIANS" ACCEPT OUR NOBLE MOORISH CHALLENGE TO PROVE YOUR NON-BLACK "LIES", AGAIN YOU CAN E-MAIL US FOR DIALOGUE. IF NOT YOU ARE AFRAID, CEASE TO REMAIN THE COWARDS YOU ARE FOR YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE MISERY'S SAKE. UNITED SANDIJAH STATES OF THE SAHARA, MOBT THEMIM (WEARERS OF THE VEIL)

omari afi keita ; moktar salek laye <omari_keita@hotmail.com; mobt themim@hotmail.com>
arguin, mauritania - Sunday, December 20, 1998 at 16:19:52 (EST)

KAREN KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT (LOOK BELOW)

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 12:38:59 (EST)

To all the "Egyptians" who want to claim they are white or close to white, why? Are you not aware that the white people want more than anything to blow you off the face of the earth, or to keep you out of western countries unless you've got oil or big bucks? Are you aware of the slurs that white people have bestowed upon you (camel jockey is just one, A-Rab is another)for nearly a century? The only thing you know about Egyptian history is what the white man has taught you from European books - that is if you were lucky enough to have gone to school. I have been to Egypt many times, and it irks me to see how the white man has "Egyptians" in fancy hotels cooking and serving pork. Even the Islamic prayers go totally ignored by the vast majority - it's business as usual nowadays. Who's providing the liquor in the bars? Why are you selling your culture to tourists? Now you claim the Africans on this "guest list" are racists, now tell me who is the biggest self-made victim of all? No white government trusts any of you in their precious countries, yet this is who you have chosen to side with, this is who you want to look like - one step further, this is who you want to be. Why? When any of you "Egyptians" travel to a western country, the white man doesn't see an "Egyptian," he sees an "A-Rab," and you are treated accordingly. Now, if you are the ancient Egyptians that you claim to be, how did you get so backward in this day and age. "Your" ancestors were geniuses, you never left the land (you have remained there until this day), according to you, but you have not progressed much further. Why is that?

Karen <kcamm23063@aol.com>
Age: ?, CA USA - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 06:21:23 (EST)

THE ANCIENTS ARE BLACK DONT BE DECIEVED BY THE WHITE SEMETIC ARABIC LIES THERE JUST MAD BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LIKE US THE BLACK EGYPTIANS

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 15:32:53 (EST)

At first I thought today's lesson would be on the Black Jews and the blacks in Russia whom are reportedly the descendants of Egyptian migrants...but instead I want to pose a hypothesis as to why most (not all) melanin-deficient people are evil. Through my various forays into libraries and book stores I've come across texts with some very interesting points. I'm dabbing a bit into religion, philisophy, archaeology, and genetics so bear with me. Someone mentioned something about the Jews being cast from Egypt because they (the Jews) worshipped the Golden Calf. Not trying to be funny, but merely pointing you into the right direction, it is true the Jews worshipped the Golden Calf. What you did not take into consideration is that the Israelites were influenced by the Egyptians religiously and culturally doing their bondage very much in the same manner as the Africans who were enslaved throughout the Americas. Peoples subject to domination by a majority population take on many characteristics and make them their own, somewhat varied, but still not original in the sense that is indigenous to them as a peoples. Anyway, the Jews, Israelites, Hebrews (whatever) were led from Egypt by whom what most English speakers know as Moses. When Moses led them into the desert and embarked upon his so-called task of writing down the ten commandments, his brother Aaron aided in the melting down of gold and building of the Golden Calf for the Golden Calf was merely their rendition of the Egyptian goddess Hathor. The Egyptians, as all Africans, are well known for the includence of animals in worship. In fact, monotheism (the belief in one god) came smack out of Egyptian temples. Prior to the introduction by Akhenaton(pardon my spelling) of sun-worship but still monotheism many Egyptians subscribed to the worship of cows, crocodiles, hippos, etc. The Jews stole or were probably just influenced by the majority that ruled them. In fact, a lot of the scriptues that were selected to be included in the most popular translation/versions of the Bible came from Africa. Anyone who is familiar with the Egyptian Book of the Dead might find it odd that the Biblical version of Christ as Savior is similiar in many ways to the Egyptian God Osiris. In fact in one tomb painting (I can't recall the name, but seek and ye shall find) a soul pleads his case before Osiris in hopes of being granted everlasting life and his words (the soul) almost read word for word like the so-called ten commandments. Now Moses reportedly "was said" (because most Christian scholars admit that Moses more than likely didn't write the scriptures attributed to him) to have been inspired by "God" to write the ten commandments, but it seems rather odd that Moses wrote a variation of an Egyptian soul's repentance before the God of Resurrection, Osiris. But if remembered correctly, Moses was educated in the temples of Egypt by African scribes, in short, he was raised as an egyptian until he discovered otherwise. Now that tells us two things. Number one-Moses did not originate the ten commandments, nor did the god he wordhipped (unless his god is a liar) and number two, most important of all- in order for Moses not to have been aware that he was the child of slaves, instead of Egyptian royalty, there could not have been any physical difference recognizeable enough for him to know otherwise. This is to say that the original Israelites must have physically resembled the Egyptians. Why else would he not have known? He was black, they were all black. ALL OF THEM. But my main point is the written fundamentals of Christian thought are solely African based. The concept of angels having human form and wings is just the jewish rendition of an Egyptian tradition. The Africans worshipped a hawk god or goddess (Sorry I forget the name) but anyway I just wanted to clear that up. I could go on and on -on the religious tip but I'm not. I'm not here to take away anyones faith. I just feel if you are going to worship the Eternal One - learn about the Eternal One - not just through reading texts delivered by the hands of men (in flesh) but by asking of the Spirit, the ability to use the mind to discern between what is powder-puff and what is real. There are so many things in this world to know and once you put them together you come up with the true story. The parts began to egual the whole. Forgive me, I've run off on a tangent - back to my original point. One must take into consideration that when words of a language are translated into another, sometimes there are no words in the other language that equal or have the same exact meaning in the original. In fact, sometimes there is no word to be found at all. So what is a tired scribe without a copier to do? Improvise. Find a word close to it. I say all this because I believe there are many answers to be found in the original Aramaic scriptures prior to foreigners mishandling and mistranslating them for their own misguided use. The English versions of these texts are tainted not only by racially-prejudiced men with a twisted agenda but that many misunderstandings are the result of lack of proper wording. The English versions miss the essence of the original language these texts (specifically refering to the writings of the old testament) were written in. Therefore, sometimes the books of the Bible seem contradictory and make no logical sense. These mistakes are not the errs of the Eternal One who is perfection, but are the results of men who are defiled in their state of flesh. I refer to the scriptures of Genesis in my hypothesis as to thegners mishandling and mistranslating them for their own misguided use. The English versions of these texts are tainted not only by racially-prejudiced men with a twisted agenda but that many misunderstandings are the result of lack of proper wording. The English versions miss the essence of the original language these texts (specifically refering to the writings of the old testament) were written in. Therefore, sometimes the books of the Bible seem contradictory and make no logical sense. These mistakes are not the errs of the Eternal One who is perfection, but are the results of men who are defiled in their state of flesh. I refer to the scriptures of Genesis in my hypothesis as to the malignancy of those melanin-deficient. I'm not going to sit here and quote Bible verses word for word, and I'm surely not going to explain all of Genesis. It is known that those writings are decipherable only by those gifted with the highest intelligence bestowed upon them only by the Eternal - I, unfortunately am limited in my capacity in some senses, not due to an inate defiency mentally, but because like most people in the state of flesh, I operate by the five senses given to me to use while in this world - but these senses do not encompass every dimension - only the four the Eternal One will allow us to know. Believe me there are more, but to be knowing of those, would be to be knoowing like the Eternal- which is Earthly impossble. Sometimes we are lucky enough to get a glimpse of those other dimensions through the fleeting uses of what some call the sixth sense, but I'm not going to go there because many of you won't have a clue about what I'm getting at. Just never accept everything you come to know through the five senses, there are things outside of our Earthly perception, and some of you know what I mean. Knowledge.Enlightenment. It is as close to the Eternal One as you can get here on Earth, not in the accumulation of temporary material possessions. Let me stop. I've run off on a tangent again. like I was saying, I'll speak generically of mankinds creation in the scriptures of Genesis - English Version. We all know the story. God formed Adam from the earth and blew life into his nostril etc.. etc.. and he thus received a soul. La la la la. What the story in the english Bible fails to convey is logic. The Eternal One created this Earth and everything upon it in a scientific mathematically based logic that most of us could never understand. He did not just blow air into the nose of a man and he got up and started walking and talking. that is the world of make-believe and fairy tales. that is the world of unicorns and fairies with siver magic wands. Let's be for real here. Unfortunately those men who wrote the original scriptures were not adept at describing the creation in the sense truest to it and the Eternal. They struggled with ideas and concepts foreign to men of their time and ours. Since the beginning of time was we know it, men have attempted to discover the reason behind life, "God" and the relationship between the two. Every religion swears they've figured it out. More power to you all. Anyway, back to Genesis. These ancient writers had a very difficult task and I feel the English (and other translations) fail to grasp what they were "inspired to". Archaeology has shown us remnants of the past. Innovations in science increase our knowledge of the world and our place in it...but I'm not going to go off on another tangent. So, the story of Genesis is not translated as effectively as it should have been. At the time the Eternal saw fit to give man soul, he did not create man out of some dirt, then blew life into him. Archaeology has shown us that althought the scriptures date back considerably thousands of years, men-like beings have walked the Earth way before then. I'm not going to dip real deep, but many people feel the Bible does not adequately explain the existence of men before the creation of "Adam". many say how come dinosaurs weren't mentioned? How come Cain was afraid to walk the Earth after murdering (or sacrificing) his brother Abel for fear others would lay their hands upon him - if Adam, Eve, and Cain were the only people on the Earth? They have valid points, but what is failed to be recognized is that the translations we've been given do not capture the essence of the language it was prosed. The scriptures establish the presence of these men-like beings. Dinousaurs, not in our sense of the word, is alluded to in the original. But what is even far more interesting in the way in which the words "life" and "soul" are used to describe the creation of man. To make a long story short, in the original meaning wording these replaced Adam was not given "life" or "soul" a better understanding would be that the Eternal through his logic, gave the animalistic beings (what we refer to as cave men) the ability with time to attain spiriituality, in that they were no longer dumbfounded in their inferior state. "Adam" is only that man-animal that received an escaape from the chains of ignorance or for lack of a better word, savagery, uncivilized, barbaric, etc...It was only through the Eternal that mankind was elevated from the animalistic state and given the opportunity to become knowledgeable in that knowledge and truth are closest to the Eternal. Cain had reason to fear others would harm him, because THEY were not alone on the Earth. Scientists find the remains of these beast like men every day. Science has also grudgingly admitted that "Adam and Eve" originated from Africa, a warm to hot climate, which produces organisms with pigmentation - not any different from the way in which all organisms adapt to their environment. But here is the clencher, Cain feared these beast-men because he knew they lacked "soul" or the ability to attain righteousness or civility. They were still trapped in their inferior animal state. Only "Adam" received the soul.What does it all mean? If Adam was the prototype of what eventually gave way to "homo sapiens" who may sciences support was a man of color -black, brown, red, yellow, whatever - the key words being - of color....Who were the descendants of the beast-men (Neanderthals?) that did not recive this "soul". Could it be those individuals who are melanin-deficient? Could their ability to wreak havoc upon the Earth, upon nature, upon mankind worldwide, be the result of their lack of "soul"? You tell me. What do you think? Is that why they are nicknamed "devils"? It seems those most detsructive of the Eternal One's creation in every aspect, would be those fartherest from the Eternal. Those who detsroy the environment in favor of technology, which is truly the curse of Cain,...those who kill and maim the children of the Eternal One. Those who tell lies to cover their attempts at the destruction of truth. Those who call themselves the carrier of a burden. The burden you see is not to promote truth, but by every means, they feel necessary, to destroy or disclaim it. Truth and knowledge are closest to the Eternal, those fartherest from those ideals worship materialistic accumaulation of those things (like money) fall short of the glorious meaning of life. Perhaps they are still living in the animalistic state, cursed...for they have no souls.

Sophia
USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 18:46:07 (EST)

To whoever it is that keeps talking all the mumbo jumbo about coptic this and coptic that! What the hell does the language a people speak have to do with physicality? Regardless of if a person speaks Spanish or English, if they are black, they're black period. When did we start defining race by language? Please make like a ghost and just DISAPPEAR!

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USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 17:02:21 (EST)

To J.J. from one who is far more learned than you. I don't think your point about the Dreamworks animated production "Prince of Egypt" has any validity whatsoever. You say even Hollywood knows etc....Dreamworks Productions is owned by Steven Spielberg. He is a white man, who knows everything about being white and nothing about Africa or Africans. Your words only illuminate the fact that you sit in total ignorance. I dare you to first consider evidence that proves prior to foreign invasion the racial types depicted were a black pepoples. Commenting on Arabs and whites is besides the point. Black peoples have melanin, or shall we use a politically correct term such as people of color. You are the descendant of those who have little or no pigmentation thus we get the word "white". When we use the term "black" understand that this word is used to describe people with complexions ranging from black to yellow-hence, color. Arabs fall under the category of "people of color". Native Americans fall under the category of "people of color". Africanss fall under the term "people of color" Indonesians, Tahitians, etc fall under the term "people of color" and so on and so on and so on. What you should see by now is that white peoples, especially those whose ancestors hail from Northern Europe, are the only people upon the face of the Earth whom seem to lack nature's gift of pigmentation to protect human beings from the harm of solar wind (radiation). The physical trait most shared by peoples of color are dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin. Of course there are some slight variations because other phenotypes were introduced to the genetic pool. Why is it that everyone shares this common trait of "darkness" ecxept for whites? I often wonder. Perhaps you are an abomination upon the face of the Earth? Maybe. Maybe. One thing is for certain, yelling about thick lips and wide noses is the least common trait amongst peoples of color. Thus, for you to emphasize theses physical nuances as the few deciding factors of what makes someone black or not is illogical. Peoples of color are the majority worldwide. Always have been, always will be. Whether our hair is straight, whether our hair is curly, whether our nose bridge is narrow, or whether our nose is wide, the one trait we possess -all possess- is melanin. Where is yours?

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USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 16:57:32 (EST)

I was truly honored to be mentioned among such esteemed company in your "Black Scholars" section last issue. Thank you very much, and God Bless. So long for now.

Shearwood "Woody" McClelland III <smcclell@fas.harvard.edu>
Age: 20, Teaneck, NJ USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 00:32:03 (EST)

do you that the US-Army have attacked the irak again? OK. Do you know where Babylon is? Alright! In a historical context, and you could not deny this fact, the egypts and the babylonians have a long, long realation before the white man that means the man from europe knew how to walk. this white man who took the people from nigeria and the ebony-coast into a cruel slavery, this man who says we are the owner of the truth we are the founder of a rational-science we do always right, every step. do you belief this man? excuse me when i say that the people of northafrica and asia fight since thousand of years a war against the white man, and please you should understand that the boundary between all this tribes is a traditional boundery maybe like a chain. i am not a friend of saddam hussein. this man you call him a dictator, he was the best friend of the USA before 10 years. in that time you called him a president. first: all presidents in this part of the world are dictators. the friends of the USA are presidents or you call them presidents, also Anwar el Saddat. Do you kow when this tragedy began? the ancient egypts dispeled the jews because they danced around the golden cow! gold, gold, money, money, you call this dollars, hollywood, pop-music (also rap), television, information, power, power. the battle against the irac is one of the first sign, a sign what happens to afica in next time, also to egypt. you should know that israel describes a cleft in this region. this country claims the control in this region. egypt is a central country the only country who can fight and to consist again the power of the white man and you especially know that, when i say against the USA and GB (Europe). Egypt is under control of the USA, so Israel is the only power. israel can use atomic-bombs, gen-bombs, with no doubts, they can kill every time every man, the USA claims the oil in this region. who poesses this oil-companis? oil is money, remember! all human-history were a history of power and slavery and the people in the western world you call it first-world have reached a point of wealth and in the same time of illnes in the heads of people. when the egypt-people make a revolution against the government, than beware! a big war will come a war when you black man from america should ask, what is my postion, who are my brothers. a questuion which you can't deny. the time will come.!!! we dont fight the iraki people (how hypocritical). the ey will obeserve and strike again.

you know it
enterprise, mars - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 20:12:25 (EST)

THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS ARE BLACK AFRICANS. THIS IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY TRUTH OF THIS WORLD. THESE BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE FOUNDERS OF ANY KIND OFFUNDAMENTEL KNOWLEDGE THAT IS USED IN THE WESTERN WORLD TODAY. THE AFRICANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE EDUCATORS OF THE WESTERN WORLD, EVEN IN RELATEVELY RECENT TIMES. IN FACT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST WORLD KNOW FAMOUS UNIVERSITY WAS IN TOMBOUKTOU, MALI, IN WEST AFRRICA. THIS UNIVERSITY WAS BUILT BY BLACK MAURS WHO LIVED IN THE SAHEL (UNDER THE SAHARA), A FEW CENTURIES AFTER CHRIST. HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT THE INVASION OF SPAIN BY ARABS IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND THE TRANSMISSION OF MANY TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE TO EUROPE VIA SPAIN ? THESE ARABS CAME RECENTLY IN NORTH AFRICA. THEY WERE MAKING ISLAMIC WAR, TRADE OF ANY KIND (INCLUDING SLAVERY). IT IS THESE ARABS WHO BROUGTH THE KNOWLEDGE TO SPAIN, AFTER THE INVASIOn. THEY DID NOT INVENT THE KNOWLEDGE, THE LEARNED IT FROM THE BLACK MAURS WHO WERE LIVING IN THE SAHARA. THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK AFRICANS, LIKE SENEGALESE, GUINEANS, MALIANS, GHANEANS, NIGERIANS, CAMEROONESE, CONGOLESE, SOUDANESE, KENIANS, .... THEY WERE NOT BLACK WHITES, NOR BLACK CAUCASIANS, NOR BLACK AYRIANS, NOR BLACK YELLOWS, NOR ANY SUCH STUPID MIND MASTURBATION.

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 19:47:43 (EST)

MY BLACK SISTERS AND BROTHERS. DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WHITE PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU. THEY WILL NEVER TELL YOU THE TRUTH. THEY WILL ALWAYS TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL CONDITION YOU MIND. PHYSICAL SLAVERY, AS IT WAS KNOWN IN THE LAST CENTURIES, IS FINISH NOW. BUT THEY FOUND SOMETHING ELSE : THE MENTAL SLAVERY. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DISCOVER THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MOST oF THE WHITE HUMAN BEING, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DEFEND YOUR INTERESTS, YOU WILL BE ENSLAVED IN SOMEWAY. BECAUSE THERE IS A STRONG BELIEF THAT ENSLAVING BLACK PEOPLE (IN PARRTICULAR) IS NECESSARY CONDITION FOR SURVIVAL !!! I DON'T THINK I'M KIDDING. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE MOST TERIFIC THING FOR MOST OF THE WHITE - CAUCASIN LIKE PEOPLE IS TO ENCOUNTER A BLACK MAN WHO IS CONFIDENT, WHO DOES NOT ACCEPT TO PLAY THE TRADITIONNAL ROLE OF THE NEGROE. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR INTELLIGENCE, YOU MENTAL AND PSYCHLOGYCAL POWER, YOU, OUR ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS FOR MOST OF THE WHITE PROPLE, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEIR CONSPIRATION FOR MAINTAINING YOU IN A CERTAIN ROLES DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU. DO YOU UNDERTAND THIS ?

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 19:26:11 (EST)

ONE OF THE SAVAGES SAYS THAT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT HE CALLS THE EGYPTIANS LANGUAGE (COPTIC) AND SEMITIC OR ASSYRIAN OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE SPOKEN BY THE WHITE SKINNED IS AN EVIDENCE THAT THE EGYPTIANS ARE NOT BLACK AFRICANS. IF YOU BILIEVE THIS YOU ARE IGNORANT. COPTIC IS NOT THE ORIGINAL EGYPRIAN LANGUAGE. COPTIC HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN THE COUNTRY AFTER THE INVASION. PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING WEB PAGE : http://www.stshenouda.com/coptlang/copthist.htm#ShortHistBC THE COPTIC PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE TELLING THE THRUTH. THE COPTIC LANGUAGE HAS BEEN INTRODUCED FOR THE WHITE INVADERS. THIS LOGIC ALSO HOLDS FOR THE DEMOTIC SCRIB, WHICH HAS BEEN INTRODUCES TO REPLACE THE HIEROGLIPH. THE HIEROGLITH WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR THE WHITE FOREIGN PEOPLE! THEY COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND IT. SO IT IS NORMAL THAT THE COPTIC LANGUAGE HAVE SIMILARITIES WITH THE LANGUAGES SPOKEN IN THE ORIGINAL COUNTRY OF THESE INVADERS. IF YOU FIND THAT THERE IS SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIAN LANGUAGES AND SCRIPTS AND THE ARAB/SEMIT/GREEK OR WHATEVER FOREIGN WHITE SKINNED SCRIPTS, DON'T BE SURPRISED. THIS IS NORMAL BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EDUCATED BY THE ANCIENT BLACK EGYPTIANS A FEW CENTURIES AGO. THEY LEARNED ANY KIND OF KNOWLEDGE : WRITTINGS, RELIGION, SCIENCE, ENGINEERING, MEDECINE, ARCHITECTURE, AND SO ON.

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 19:12:10 (EST)

THE INVADERS (GREEKS, ROMANS, PERSANS, ARABS, ...) ARE THE BEGAN TO RULE IN KEMET IN -639. THE PROGRESSIVELY DESTROYED THE ORIGINAL BLACK PEOPLE WHO WEER THE AUTHORS OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF ANY KIND OF KNOWLEDGE AND CIVILIZED HUMAN ACTIVITIES WE KNOW TODAY. THE WHITE SKINNED PEOPLE DISCOVERED THIS LATRER (AFTER THEY WERE ADUCATED BY THE ANCIENT BLACK EGYPTIANS). THE WHITE SUPPREMACISTS STARTED A FEW CENTURIES AGO TO HIDE THIS FACT TO. BECAUSE THEY CANNOT CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU ARE INFERIOR IF YOU KNOW THIS FACT

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 18:44:46 (EST)

THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK PEOPLE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WHERE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY ATLEAST 4,500 YEARS BEFORE THE MULTIPLE TENTATIVES TO INVADE THEM BY WHITE WHITE SKINNED PEOPLE SUCCEDED IN - 639. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INVADERS? WHO ARE PRESENTED AS THE TRUE EGYPTIANS. MY BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OPEN YOUR EYES. THEY ARE TRYING TO ERASE YOUR HERITAGE, AND ENSLAVE YOU FOREVER.

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 18:35:39 (EST)

EDUCATE YOURSELF ! THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE ABSOLUTELY BLACKS PEOPLE AS ANY OTHER BLACK PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AFRICAN CONTINENT THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THIS, IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT, WHITE SUPPREMACISM CAN NEVER TRANSFORM THE TRUTH. Of Course the Ancient Egyptians were black. There are so many evidence ! In fact there is no basis for such a discussion. The Ancient Egyptians could only be black, nothing else. Either you are very ignorant or you are a big big liar (like the white supremacists). > EGYPTIANS WERE NEVER BLACK NEGROIDS. WHERE IS YOUR > EVIDENCE? YOU HAVE EITHER NONE OR SORRY LEADS. You are > beliving a lie that is perpetuated by Anti white afro > centrists. and yes I HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE WORLD > AGAINST YOUR CLAIMS. you haven't had any education on the > mathmatic figures of invaders, their locations and who > they intermarried, at what time intervals so you're not > listening to reason. What mathematical figures are you talking about. If you are not ignorant, you know that at the time all knowledge, including writting systems came from Egypt. The invaders have been educated by egyptians. They came back later(after they have been educate !) and tried multiple times to take power in Egypt. They didn't bring any knowledge the Egyptians did not know. Be careful about what you are saying. Let me tell you that Egypt have been attacked and invaded during about 1,000 years, the last invasion was that of the arabs in 639 AC. So the invaders had all the time to eliminate the original Egyptians, and it is well know that is was teir intension to eliminate them. They was so powerful that the invaders could not give them the chance to come back once again ! The Afrocentrists are not anti-white people at all ! The Afrocentrists are simply people who are worried about the conditions of the Africans, and who believe that telling the truth will help them to rise. They are right. It is not only Afrocentrist who say that Ancian Egyptians were black. You also have many very honorable white people who says that. These white people are only interested by the truth, nothing else. Maybe you can find a few people among the Afrocentrists who are anti-whites but this is mailly because they are suffering too much, due to the lies and the philosophy of white supremacists. It is understandable to find black people who are anti-white. In fact, I would say that it is extremely remarkable that only a (very) few black people are anti-white. Do never forget what white people have done to black people, especially these last centuries. I'm sure sure that white people would not support such problems, atlast they could never forgive ! The Afrocentrists are not racists or anti-whites. The racists are the white suppremacists and their complices. They are so racists that they believe systematically that any statement that is related to the so called "race" is automatically racism. No, you cannot forbid to tell the truth, just because the subject is related to race !!! You have a very big problem. In fact, who formalized the nocion of "race" ? You have a real problem, either you are afraid that the Africans will do the same thing as you, or you would like to perpetuate the lies that have been propagated by white supremasism. In any case you are totally wrong ! The Africans love people. We have many things else to do, we have no intension to invade people or take them in slavery. You are very lucky you know ! If you want to perpetuate the tradition, let me tell you that your time is finish, and this will be fatal for you. Africans will be back one day, you should better keep cool. The Africans are nice people. Let me tell you that for us it is much more difficult to hate someone than to love him. You will never have many occasions to se an African hating someone without a serious reason, and we really have serious reasons. > #1 all the invading armies invaded the large cities, not > the countryside where most egyptians lived past and > present. This is a historical fact in any agricultural > society. #2 When a country is invaded the whole country is > NOT washed by intermarrage. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MYTH. > Intermarrige is limited to the elite families as the > reminices of the turco-circassians suggest. This happened > in the major northern cities, not the countryside. When > you take a country, you don't go for the little towns, > you go after THE BIG CITIES.How can the armies of several > thousand in which a insignfiicant number of them could > possibly wash the entire country with their genes? THIS IS > MATHMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Ancient Egypt have been totally invaded more than 2,500 years ago (663BC). Also there were many many sucessive invasions, the last one is that of the Arabs. You really have no idea of what happended. The invaders was so hostite to the original Egyptians that many of them migrated into central, east and west Africa. If you go to west Africa, you will find tribes that are the authentic descendants of Ancien Egyptians. You have many tribes in west, east and central Africa who can attest formally their origins. Of course, you don't know all these things. Most of the Ancient Egyptians who resisted have been progressively killed or absorbed by successive meltings. If you don't know, let me tell you that in the Lile valley, killing or capturing a Negro is a traditionnal sport. Where do you think this sauvagery against black people comes from ? Do you think that the invaders were there to cohabit with the original Negro Egyptians ? If you went the the Nile valley a few years ago (maybe today), you would find that the invaders are in any place they can live. I'm sure you don't know what is happing in North of Sudan and south of Egypt. The primary objective of the arab invaders is to kill or enslave as much Negroes as possible. Remember, this started atleas 13 centuries ago ! Of course the invaders began with the large cities because the centers of power are there. But after they invaded the large cities they had all the time to populate all the country and destroy the original people. > #4 The egyptians language is of Afro-Asian subfamily > called Copt. This is a Semetic branch of language closely > related to Hebrew and Assyrian. How? First of all Egyptian > is written RIGHT TO LEFT JUST LIKE THE OTHER SEMETIC > LANGUAGES. Many words are the EXACT SAME OR VERY SIMILAR > to Assyrian, Hebrew and even Arabic which never even > arrived in Arabia untill later on. The SENTENCE SRUCTURE > OF EGYPTIAN IS RELATIVELY THE *SAME* AS THE OTHER SEMETIC > LANGUAGES...VOWEL SOUNDS ARE OCASSIONALLY LEFT OUT...THESE > ARE MAJOR DEFINING TRAITS OF A SEMETIC LANGUAGE!!! BLACK > AFRICAN LANGUAGES DON'T SHOW THIS AT ALL. IN FACT MOST > COULDN'T EVEN WRITE. The Egyptian were never invaded at > this point in which they establised language. THEY > OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM THE EAST and in the south, only > **partially** from black Africa...***CASE CLOSED*** You really don't undestand. it is normal there are similarities between the semitic and Assiryan and whatever middle east languages. there are atleast two reasons for that : first, it is the Egyptians who educated these peopple long time before they came back and invade the Egyptians. So, it is normal that there as similarities. It is the Egyptians who transmitted the knowledge to these people. Second, the coptic language (which you call copt) is not the original Egyptian language. It has been created after Alexander the Great invaded Egypt (332 BC) in order to educate the invading people and open their eyes to the world of knowledge. The coptic language is "soft" version of the original egyptian language (with adaptation that are easy to the invading barbarians). The coptic language replaced progressively the original language. The coptic is not the original Egyptian language !!! Even with this distorsion, the fundamentals of the coptic language are the same with many African languages. This is normal because the invaders could not develop a fundamental linguistic concept. They concentrated on what they could change easily. You have many languages and writings in Africa, but of course you don't know this. Africa is probably the most reach continent in linguistics and writtings. What is true with writtings ans languages is also true for the belief systems (probably one of the most significant points with regard to traditions). If you take the gods of the middle east and greece/rome ... in ancient times, you see many resemblance with the Egyptian gods. Do you think that it is the invaders who brougth the concept of god to the Egyptians ? No !!! viewed from the barbarian world, these goods came from Egypt !!! In fact, the white skinned world did not really understand the fundamentals of the belief systems (even today, they don't understand). You don't understand the concept of polymorphism (just this example). Polymorphism means the possibility of multiple apparence of one god ! that's what you have many gods of any kind (people, animals, phenomenum, different usual objects, ...). You don't understand this, you call this "annimism" !!! you see ... If you go to Africa and if you have a certain ability to understand, you will find that polymorphism is everywhere, in our religions, languages, rituals, ... > #5 You claim that Nubians are pure Egyptians...Tell me do > you know ANY?!!! They NEVER SPOKE EGYPTIAN, THEY SPOKE > NUBIAN!! THIS IS A FACT. They don't look Egyptian let > alone speak it! THIS IS FACT! #6 You complain about white > men not wanting you to discover your roots. OPEN YOUR > EYES. The ONLY PLACE whos talking black vs white is in > America. No such thing in Egypt! We got sick of invaders > and kicked the English out and all the foreigners over and > over again but nobody is calling white people the devil or > any other of that bull crap. Egyptians have always embraced > Greece. They are our brothers. We love them and > Afro-centric racism movements won't create this racist > tension you so desire. Black vs White battles have no place > outside of the U.S. so keep your racist tendencies AT HOME. Nubians are Nubians and Egyptians are Egyptians. But all these ancient people are black people, with some specificities. It's comparable to French and Italians, Germans and Polonese, whatether you want. Egyptians and Nubians had a great common history, they belong to the same family. Did you hear about the unification period, which was done by a Nubian ? Unlike the barbarians, the objetives of the Nubians was not to destroy the Egyptians. After Egypt was invaded by the barbarians, many Egyptians went to Nubian. One of the major differences between Nubia and Egypt is that Nubia has not been invaded ans whitened by barbarians. Once again, the invaders did not build Egypt, they destroyed Egypt. When they came, everything that made the greatnees of Egypt existed already. About racism, what world are you living in ? Open your eyes, racism is everywhere ! Racism is not the matter of the USA, it's mainly the matter of whate supremacists who are in the USA, in Europe, Southern Africa, Australia, ..., and also in the middle east and North Africa. I don't think the americans are especially racist. What is particular in this country is that they racists really declares themeselve, and express their racism. The result of white supremacisms is that almost in the entire world, most of people act and react according to the race of people. No one can deny this fact. I'm not saying that people are racist in the same way as white suppremacists, e.i, do everything to make white race appear or be superior. I'm saying that their philosophy have cause so much damage that most of the people have problems of this concept of race. Racism causes one of the biggest social and cultural problems in the world. > #7 I went to Egypt last summer and saw all the statues in > the Cairo Museam. The Egyptians have these racial > features: long noses, many hooked...skin tone that ranged > from white to olive to dark brown, straight to curly hair, > thin and moderate lips Now i saw Nubian portriats: broad > noses, pitched black skin, full lips in almost every case, > coarse hair That is the characteristics of a negro. The > typical ancient egyptian had long noses, thin to moderate > lips and a bronze complexion with long hair (some shaved > and wore wigs because of the heat). The egyptians were > lighter. Do you possibly think that the HOT SUN OF THE > DESERT has no impact on non-black skin?!! THE EGYPTIANS > FOR THE MOST PART SHOW NON-NEGROID FEATURES!!!! Of course you can see different of colours ranging from pure black to pure white (or the inverse of you prefer). This is normal because Egypt have been invaded by foreign barbarians. But if you take the picture of people in Ancient Egypt before the fatal invasion (663 BC) you will only see black people !, with (maybe some white immigrants from time to time). It is not a question of racial fighting or whatever !!! it's a question of telling the truth !!!! Any kind of document before white suppremacists (including the worldwide reference history document), any quind of biological (blood groups, melanin dosage test, DNA tests), the bible, archeological and anthropological, tribes in Africa, ..., confirm this fact ! Even if you considere that the testimony of ancient historians is not liable, you stell have multiple evidences. You will never overcome all these evidences !!! You know, if you don't want to believe in the world you are living in, you can always say that all these billions humans are dreaming !!! You know that it's impossible that we all dream of the same thing at the same time but you are just interested in any phantasmatic argument! > #8 you misunderstand Nubians even more. The Nubians DID > MIGRATE TO BE CALLED NUBIANS. but BECAUSE they live in > Egypt we call them EGYPTIANS!! This doesn't mean they are > Egyptians. Like when blacks were enslaved in the USA. > They could be called Americans but they were different by > looks and language. We don't have a race problem in Egypt, > lets keep this disease away from the rest of the world. > #9 Kemit is Egypt. Kemit means black Nile soil...the SOIL > WHICH GAVE LIFE TO THE COUNTRY. Stop looking at things so > racially and look logically my friend. We Egyptians were > never black Negros, you won't know my hertitage unless you > open your eyes to the truth and learn from lingustics and > rational thinking to arrive at level conclusions. There are > many egyptians who are part african(negro) but they have > ansestors from Sudan and Ethiopia. If you want to know how > a ancient (Kemitic) Egyptian looks like go to the Egyptian > countryside or take a look at me. peace Kemit does not mean the black Nile soil !!! this is one of the distorsion techniques used by the white supremasists, in the same way that the curse of Ham to be a servant has been distorded into the enslavement of sub-saharan black Africans. The bible teachs that Kemit is populated of descendants of Ham (Cush, Mitsraïm, Puth and Canaan). All these are black people, what you call today the Negroes. The Egyptians are the descandants of Mitsraïm. In fact Egypt comes from the greek world Aegyptus. Do you know what does Aegyptus means ? If you don't know, go and take a good greek-english dictonnary. You will find that it talks about black people !!!! > the egyptians NOT BLACKS > USA - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 23:09:27 (EST)

An African
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 18:20:55 (EST)

ANY OTHER BLACK PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AFRICAN CONTINENT THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THIS, IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT, EDUCATE YOURSELF ! WHITE SUPPREMACISM CAN NEVER TRANSFORM THE TRUTH. Of Course the Ancient Egyptians were black. There are so many evidence ! In fact there is no basis for such a discussion. The Ancient Egyptians could only be black, nothing else. Either you are very ignorant or you are a big big liar (like the white supremacists). > EGYPTIANS WERE NEVER BLACK NEGROIDS. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? YOU HAVE EITHER NONE OR SORRY > LEADS. You are beliving a lie that is perpetuated by Anti white afro centrists. and yes I HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE > WORLD AGAINST YOUR CLAIMS. you haven't had any education on the mathmatic figures of invaders, their locations and who > they intermarried, at what time intervals so you're not listening to reason. What mathematical figures are you talking about. If you are not ignorant, you know that at the time all knowledge, including writting systems came from Egypt. The invaders have been educated by egyptians. They came back later (after they have been educate !) and tried multiple times to take power in Egypt. They didn't bring any knowledge the Egyptians did not know. Be careful about what you are saying. Let me tell you that Egypt have been attacked and invaded during about 1,000 years, the last invasion was that of the arabs in 639 AC. So the invaders had all the time to eliminate the original Egyptians, and it is well know that is was teir intension to eliminate them. They was so powerful that the invaders could not give them the chance to come back once again ! The Afrocentrists are not anti-white people at all ! The Afrocentrists are simply people who are worried about the conditions of the Africans, and who believe that telling the truth will help them to rise. They are right. It is not only Afrocentrist who say that Ancian Egyptians were black. You also have many very honorable white people who says that. These white people are only interested by the truth, nothing else. Maybe you can find a few people among the Afrocentrists who are anti-whites but this is mailly because they are suffering too much, due to the lies and the philosophy of white supremacists. It is understandable to find black people who are anti-white. In fact, I would say that it is extremely remarkable that only a (very) few black people are anti-white. Do never forget what white people have done to black people, especially these last centuries. I'm sure quite sure that white people would not support such problems, atlast they could never forgive ! The Africentrists are not racists or anti-whites. The racists are the white suppremacists and their complices. They are so racists that they believe systematiclly that any statement that is related to the so called "race" is automatically racism. No, you cannot forbid to tell the truth, just because the subject is related to race !!! You have a very big problem. In fact, who formalized the nocion of "race" ? You have a real problem, either you are afraid that the Africans will do the same thing as you, or you would like to perpetuate the lies that have been propagated by white supremasism. In any case you are totally wrong ! The Africans love people. We have many things else to do, we have no intension to invade people or take them in slavery. You are very lucky you know ! If you wants to perpetuate the tradition, let me tell you that your time is finish, and this will be fatal for you. Africans will be back one day, you should better keep cool. The Africans are nice people. Let me tell you that for us it is much more difficult to hate someone than to love him. You will never have many occasions to se an African hating someone without a serious reason, and we really have serious reasons. > #1 all the invading armies invaded the large cities, not > the countryside where most egyptians lived past and present. This is a historical fact in any agricultural society.#2 When a country > is invaded the whole country is NOT washed by intermarrage. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MYTH. Intermarrige is limited to the > elite families as the reminices of the turco-circassians suggest. This happened in the major northern cities, not the countryside. > When you take a country, you don't go for the little towns, you go after THE BIG CITIES.How can the armies of several thousand > in which a insignfiicant number of them could possibly wash the entire country with their genes? THIS IS MATHMATICALLY > IMPOSSIBLE. Ancient Egypt have been totally invaded more than 2,500 years ago (663BC). Also there were many many sucessive invasions, the last one is that of the Arabs. You really have no idea of what happended. The invaders was so hostite to the original Egyptians that many of them migrated into central and west Africa. If you go to west Africa, you will find tribes that are the authentic descendants of Ancien Egyptians. You have many tribes in west, east and central Africa who can attest formally their origins. Of course, you don't know all these things. Most of the Ancient Egyptians who resisted have been progressively killed or absorbed by successive meltings. If you don't know, le me tell you that in the Lile valley, killing or capturing a Negro is a traditionnal sport. Where do you think this sauvagery comes from ? Do you think that the invaders were there to cohabit with the original Negro Egyptians ? If you went the the Nile valley a few years ago (maybe today), you would find that the invaders are in any place ty can live. I'm sure you don't know what is happing in North sudans and south of Egypt. The primary objective of the arab invaders is to kill or enslave as much Negroes as possible. Remember, this started atleas 13 centuries ago ! Ouf course the invaders began with the large cities because the centers of power are there. But after they invaded the large cities they had all the time to populate all the country and destroy the original people. > #4 The egyptians language is of Afro-Asian subfamily called Copt. This is a Semetic branch of language closely > related to Hebrew and Assyrian. How? First of all Egyptian is written RIGHT TO LEFT JUST LIKE THE OTHER SEMETIC > LANGUAGES. Many words are the EXACT SAME OR VERY SIMILAR to Assyrian, Hebrew and even Arabic which never even > arrived in Arabia untill later on. The SENTENCE SRUCTURE OF EGYPTIAN IS RELATIVELY THE *SAME* AS THE > OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES...VOWEL SOUNDS ARE OCASSIONALLY LEFT OUT...THESE ARE MAJOR DEFINING > TRAITS OF A SEMETIC LANGUAGE!!! BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES DON'T SHOW THIS AT ALL. IN FACT MOST > COULDN'T EVEN WRITE. The Egyptian were never invaded at this point in which they establised language. THEY > OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM THE EAST and in the south, only **partially** from black Africa...***CASE CLOSED*** You really don't undestand. it is normal there are similarities between the semitic and Assiryan and whatever middle east languages. there are atleast two reasons for that : first, it is the Egyptians who educated these peopple long time before they came back and invade the Egyptians. So, it is normal that there as similarities. It is the Egyptians who transmitted the knowledge to these people. Second, the coptic language (which you call copt) is not the original Egyptian language. It has been created after Alexander the Great invaded Egypt (332 BC) in order to educate the invading people and open their eyes to the world of knowledge. The coptic language is "soft" wersion of the original egyptian language (with adaptation that are easy to the invading barbarians). The coptic language replaced progressively the original language. The coptic is not the original Egyptian language !!! Even with this distorsion, the fundamentals of the coptic language are the same with many African languages. This is normal because the invaders coul not develop a fundamental linguistic concept. They concentrated on what they could change easily. You have many languages and writings in Africa, but of course you don't know this. Africa is probably the most reach continent in linguistics and writtings. What is true with writtings ans languages is also true for the belief systems (probably one of the most significant points with regard to traditions). If you take the gods of the middle east and greece/rome ... in ancient times, you see many resemblance with the Egyptian gods. Do you think that it is the invaders who brougth the concept of god to the Egyptians ? No !!! viewed from the barbarian world, these goods came frome Egypt !!! In fact, the white skinned world did not really understand the fundamentals of the belief systems (even today, they don't understand). You don't understand the concept of polymorphism (just this example). Polymorphism means the possibility of multiple apparence of one god ! that's what you have many gods of any kind (people, animals, phenomenum, different usual objects, ...). You don't understand this, you call this "annimism" !!! you see ... If you go to Africa and if you have a certain ability to understand, you will find that polymorphism is everywhere, in our religions, languages, rituals, ... > #5 You > claim that Nubians are pure Egyptians...Tell me do you know ANY?!!! They NEVER SPOKE EGYPTIAN, THEY SPOKE > NUBIAN!! THIS IS A FACT. They don't look Egyptian let alone speak it! THIS IS FACT! #6 You complain about white men not > wanting you to discover your roots. OPEN YOUR EYES. The ONLY PLACE whos talking black vs white is in America. No such > thing in Egypt! We got sick of invaders and kicked the English out and all the foreigners over and over again but nobody is calling > white people the devil or any other of that bull crap. Egyptians have always embraced Greece. They are our brothers. We love > them and Afro-centric racism movements won't create this racist tension you so desire. Black vs White battles have no place > outside of the U.S. so keep your racist tendencies AT HOME. Nubians are Nubians and Egyptians are Egyptians. But all these ancient people are black people, with some specificities. It's comparable to French and Italians, Germans and Polonese, whatether you want. Egyptians and Nubians had a great common history, they belong to the same family. Did you hear about the unification period, which was done by a Nubian ? Unlike the barbarians, the objetives of the Nubians was not to destroy the Egyptians. After Egypt was invaded by the barbarians, many Egyptians went to Nubian. One of the major differences between Nubia and Egypt is that Nubia has not been invaded ans whitened by barbarians. Once again, the invaders did not build Egypt, they destroyed Egypt. When they came, everything that made the greatnees of Egypt existed already. About racism, what world are you living in ? Open your eyes, racism is everywhere ! Racism is not the matter of the USA, it's mailly the matter of whate supremacists who are in the USA, in Europe, Southern Africa, Australia, ..., and also in the middle east and North Africa. I don't think the americans are especially racist. What is particular in this country is that they racists really declares themeselve, and express their racism. The result of white supremacisms is that almost in the entire world, most of people act and react according to the race of people. No one can deny this fact. I'm not saying that people are racist in the same way as white suppremacists, e.i, do everything to make white race appear or be superior. I'm saying that their philosophy have cause so much damage that most of the people have problems of this concept of race. Racism causes one of the biggest social and cultural problems in the world. > #7 I went to Egypt last summer and saw all the statues in the Cairo > Museam. The Egyptians have these racial features: long noses, many hooked...skin tone that ranged from white to olive to dark > brown, straight to curly hair, thin and moderate lips Now i saw Nubian portriats: broad noses, pitched black skin, full lips in almost > every case, coarse hair That is the characteristics of a negro. The typical ancient egyptian had long noses, thin to moderate lips > and a bronze complexion with long hair (some shaved and wore wigs because of the heat). The egyptians were lighter. Do you > possibly think that the HOT SUN OF THE DESERT has no impact on non-black skin?!! THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST > PART SHOW NON-NEGROID FEATURES!!!! Of course you can see different of colours ranging from pur black to pure white (or the inverse of you prefer). This is normal because Egype have been invaded by foreign barbarians. But if you take the picture of people in Ancient Egypt before the fatal invasion (663 BC) you will only see black people !, with (maybe some white immigrants from time to time). It is not a question of racial fighting or whatever !!! it's a question of telling the truth !!!! Any kind of document before white suppremacists (including the worldwide reference history document), any quind of biological (blood groups, melanin dosage test, DNA tests), the bible, archeological and anthropological, tribes in Africa, ..., confirm this fact ! Even if you considere that the testimony of ancient historians is not liable, you stell have multiple evidences. You will never overcome all these evidences !!! You know, if you don't want to believe in the world you are living in, you can always say that all these billions humans are dreaming !!! You know that it's impossible that we all dream of the same thing at the same time but you are just interested in any phantasmatic argument! > #8 you misunderstand Nubians even more. The Nubians DID MIGRATE TO BE > CALLED NUBIANS. but BECAUSE they live in Egypt we call them EGYPTIANS!! This doesn't mean they are Egyptians. Like > when blacks were enslaved in the USA. They could be called Americans but they were different by looks and language. We don't > have a race problem in Egypt, lets keep this disease away from the rest of the world. #9 Kemit is Egypt. Kemit means black Nile > soil...the SOIL WHICH GAVE LIFE TO THE COUNTRY. Stop looking at things so racially and look logically my friend. We > Egyptians were never black Negros, you won't know my hertitage unless you open your eyes to the truth and learn from lingustics > and rational thinking to arrive at level conclusions. There are many egyptians who are part african(negro) but they have ansestors > from Sudan and Ethiopia. If you want to know how a ancient (Kemitic) Egyptian looks like go to the Egyptian countryside or take a > look at me. peace Kemit does not mean the black Nile soil !!! this is one of the distorsion techniques used by the white supremasist, in the same way that the curse of Ham to be a servant has been distorded into the enslavement of sub-saharian black Africans. The bible teachs that Kemit is populated of descendants of Ham (Cush, Mitsraïm, Puth and Canaan). All these are black people, what you call today the NACK! I love you all. As Francis Welsing says..."IF BLACK PEOPLE WOULD START TO JUST LOVE ONE ANOTHER..RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY WOULD END TODAY". tHIS IS THE TRUTH. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THESE BARBARIC TRAILER TRASH SAVAGES THINK! AGAIN, IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT WE THINK OF OURSELVES! THAT IS WHERE OUR REAL CHALLENGE IS. tRAILER TRASH PRETENDING TO BE eGYPTIAN IS JUST THAT -----TRAILER TRASH! wE ARE bLACK....OF ANCESTORS (ANCIENT EGYPTIAN WERE BLACK)....AND THEY ARE NOT! I know in my heart that they will not mind, so I now repeat a previously sent message by another BLACK brother/sister. This is awe inspiring and I just can't help it! Here goes................................ Greetings to People of Color around the world and Enlightenment to those without the blessing of melanin. First I would like to inform you of a great step in the right direction of unification of all Africans worldwide. Against the wishes of the European-dominated United Nations, the majority of African nations united and approved flights once again into Libya. No longer are Africans accepting the delegations of the Europeans and West. Africa will be one. Africans from North Africa to South Africa to West Africa to East Africa to the Americas to the Caribbeans etc. Unite. The Divide and Conquer tactic is slowly loosening the yolk around the necks of black peoples. I and my African friends from all over are thrilled. It is time black peoples to stop warring against yourselves. Discover truth. Do not let these malignancies upon the face of Earth cause us strife. Their wickedry is fast failing. We shall rise once again. To those who fill this site with lies, deceptions, and hatred for the truth and achievements of people of color around the world, be not troubled. This is only the beginning. For years your people have taught black people to hate black people and to despise blackness (all shades of color) while you lay out in the sun and visited tanning booths trying to attain the one thing you claimed to despise - color. Let me teach you about yourselves. Egypt. Nubia. Ethiopia. South Africa. Oh great Africans! Everywhere. Unite and listen. Today we will learn several things. First. Abandon this term NEGRO, NEGROID, etc. The Portuguese coined this term in describing the Africans whom they enslaved and sold to Europeans worldwide. Negro is derogatory. Africans never called themselves by this name. White men did. This is part of their scam to divide and conquer black peoples. Take into consideration the ridiculous practice of Western and European scholars, ethnologists, and archaeologists, of defining North and Eastern Africans as Caucasian. Woe to those black people who allow themselves to fall victim to this insanity. Black "white people"? You've got to be kidding. trying to divide Africa not only racially, but culturally as well....You abominations before the grace of God should be ashamed. African peoples are one regardless of their varied physical appearance. Again I stress to you who refuse to accept truth to take a look around at black peoples. We are as varied in physical appearance in America as those in Africa, yet we are still BLACK. This term is used to merely identify the wide range of phenotypes that encompass the black peoples of the world. You take one physical variance -like nose width or hair texture- and try to create a separate race "Dark-skinned Caucasians"!!!!One might as well believe in leprechauns. Fallacy at it's best-or is it your refusal to acknowledge truth. African peoples are no longer falling for your mind games. They are uniting. We African-Americans are uniting with all African peoples. What are you going to do now? Create another figment of your racially-biased imagination. Let us select a single phenotype of Europeans. Let's choose something they idealize anyway. How about blond hair and blue eyes. Slavic traits, which incidentally gave birth to the term slave. Slavic peoples were often sold into slavery in North Africa and abroad. But that's besides the point. Anyway, let us choose this physical type to be the sole identifying trait of a white person. Blond hair. Blue Eyes. Now how many white people no longer fit the laymen's ideal of who is white? This would discredit red-heads, brunettes, etc... This makes no more sense to identify all white people by a single physical variance such as hair color and eye color - anymore than your pathetic attempts to classify Africans according to nose width or hair texture. It is absurd. My grandmother used to say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you can look at Africa in this ignorant manner and use two or three physical variances to define (or shall I say divide) who is black and who is not, do the same for your people, and you the one who is yelling the loudest about thick lips and Afros might not be "white" in the phenotype I ascribed to define who is white and who is not. Your attempts at insult are so misguided. Do you people even know that if you refer back to ancient literature of the Greeks and Romans and Indians that blond hair and blue eyes were thought to be physical traits of those individuals who lacked intellectual capacity due to slowed mental response because of cold climate. The Southern europeans referred to you Northern Europeans as savages. No wonder we hear the words "dumb blond". You use these words and don't even know where it stems from. Know yourself before you try to know Africa. In fact, black skin was looked upon favorably, if at all, by Southern Europeans wh wrote the Ethiopians were intelligent people. It was only during the terrorization of Hitler and other Neo-Nazi fascists that the tables got turned. Even Hitler knew the truth about Germany's barbaric past. He was ashamed of it. Read his diary. The Egyptians painted you barbarians as the savages you were in the tomb of Seti. Tatoos and spears that you continue to sport today, only the spears you carried in your hands in the past are now the hatred you carry in your heart for black peoples. Know yourself! You are the descendant of those neanderthals and Cro-Magnon phenotypes that managed to hide in the European jungles when Black men warred against you. They killed off most of your ancestors but some got away. Then you return, angry and defeated, causing strife amongst peoples of color. We can't be blamed because you are recessive and against nature -an abomination upon the Earth. Mankind originated from Africa. Black peoples come from Africa. Not white. Take biology you ignorant savages. Take European history and learn the truth about where you come from. Stop crying out that African - Americans have no right to claim Egypt or any part of Africa , when your people -the descendants of barbarians- always claim the histories of the Greeks and Romans who despised you Northern ice-dwellers. You may have everyone else fooled, but I know YOU. Everything about you is falsified. The Greeks and Romans learned from Africans -BLACK MEN. There is no way around this truth, except maybe trying to call North and East Africans white people when they are black. You ever heard of Muleta Seraw. He was an ethiopian (a Northern African) who was killed back in 1987 by skinheads. You know why they killed him? They said he was a nigger to use your racist term. How is it that these white skinheads got an Ethiopian "white man" mixed up with a black man?!!!BECAUSE AFRICANS ARE NOT WHITE PEOPLE! When they saw Seraw they did not say ,"Hey, there goes a white "black" man,", they said, "Hey, there goes a black man. Let's kill him." You know thith a black man?!!!BECAUSE AFRICANS ARE NOT WHITE PEOPLE! When they saw Seraw they did not say ,"Hey, there goes a white "black" man,", they said, "Hey, there goes a black man. Let's kill him." You know that racial classification shit you have going in dividing Africans up is bullshit. Africans are one. You just want to do everuthing you can to deny the truth. Egyptians were black people. Egyptians were African - which is something you cannot take away from any African ANYWHERE!!!!!!! In our next lesson, we will learn about the Black Jews. Find it funny? don't believe it. Do your homework. There are also Black Russians and pyramids in Japan. Damn. Black brothers and sisters. Isn't it beautiful? We are just everywhere!!!!!!!!!! Sophia "Wisdom" Age: forever, of truth, USA - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 14:55:16 (EST)

Thutmos Turner
Age: 40, Los Angeles, CA. USA - Monday, December 14, 1998 at 12:06:05 (EST)

HOTEP TO ALL: THIS WEBSITE IS A DEFINITE MUST, NOT ONLY CAN VALUABLE RESEARCH BE OBTAINED BUT NETWORKING, TOO. WE, AS THE DESCENDANTS OF AFRIKANS, MUST COME TOGETHER AS IN UMOJA (ESPECIALLY DURING THIS SEASON) AND BEGIN TO BUILD ANOTHER KEMET TO REALLY AMAZE THE WORLD. IF OUR PRE-EUROPEAN HISTORY ANCESTORS DID IT, SURELY WE, THEIR GENETIC EXTENSIONS, CARRY THE TORCH OF CORRECT THOUGHT AND LIGHT TO BE PLACED UPON A PLANE OF TRUTH. WE NEED ALL OF US TO BECOME MORE VOCAL AND TEDIOUS TO COUNTERACT THESE LATEST OF ASSAULT UPON OUR PEOPLE (PRINCE OF EYGPT MOVIE, FOR ONE), TO BRING THE TRUTH OF OURSELVES TO OUR BROTHERS AND SISTAS AFFECTED BY THE SOCIALIZATION IN THE YURUGU'S WESTERN WORLD WHITE SUPREMACY DOMAIN. WE CAN ALWAYS SPECULATE AND AMAZE OURSELVES ABOUT OUR ANCESTORS' GREATNESS BUT WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN, IF WE CANNOT EMULATE THEM AS THEIR MODERN REPRESENTATIVES, (BREAK THE SHACKLES OF INFERIORITY AND SELF-HATRED DOUBT) AND USE THEIR CIVILIZATION AS A BLUEPRINT FOR A RESURRECTED AFRIKA AND REUNITED GLOBAL AFRIKAN PEOPLE. WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF KEMET, OUR YORUBA, BAKONGO, WOLOF, SHONA, ETC., ANCESTORS HAVE PROVEN THAT THRU OUR "BELOVED" ORAL TRADITIONS. WE ARE THE ONES WHO AMAZE AND CONTINUE TO AMAZE THE WORLD WITH OUR REMARKABLE CONTRIBUTIONS, EVEN IN CAPTIVITY. EUROPEANS DO NOT FEAR THE FACT BLACKS WERE ANCIENT KEMITES, REGARDING TERMS OF HISTORY, THEY FEAR THE FACT AFRIKANS WILL LEARN THE FORMER FACT AND BUILD UPON ITS INVIGORATING REVELATION TO FORM A WORLD RIVAL, IF NOT, SUPERIOR TO EUROPA. KWANZAA HAS BECOME SEDATED TO PREVENT THIS EPISODE FROM HAPPENING, KWANZAA HAS NOW BECOME COMMERCIAL AND IMPOTENT. THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE NATION-BUILDING AND PLANNING AT MOST KWANZAA AFFAIRS, JUST REPEATED MEMORIZATION OF "PAST" HISTORY. WE MUST USE OUR ALL TO CATAPULT FORWARD TOWARDS THE NEXT CENTURY, BY ANY MEANS NECCESSARY. WE MUST EDUCATE OURSELVES, OTHERS, THEN NETWORK TOWARDS NATIONBUILDING NEW KEMET. HOTEP.

omari afi keita <omari_keita@hotmail.com>
Age: 24, shreveport, la USA - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 17:37:15 (EST)

Greetings to People of Color around the world and Enlightenment to those without the blessing of melanin. First I would like to inform you of a great step in the right direction of unification of all Africans worldwide. Against the wishes of the European-dominated United Nations, the majority of African nations united and approved flights once again into Libya. No longer are Africans accepting the delegations of the Europeans and West. Africa will be one. Africans from North Africa to South Africa to West Africa to East Africa to the Americas to the Caribbeans etc. Unite. The Divide and Conquer tactic is slowly loosening the yolk around the necks of black peoples. I and my African friends from all over are thrilled. It is time black peoples to stop warring against yourselves. Discover truth. Do not let these malignancies upon the face of Earth cause us strife. Their wickedry is fast failing. We shall rise once again. To those who fill this site with lies, deceptions, and hatred for the truth and achievements of people of color around the world, be not troubled. This is only the beginning. For years your people have taught black people to hate black people and to despise blackness (all shades of color) while you lay out in the sun and visited tanning booths trying to attain the one thing you claimed to despise - color. Let me teach you about yourselves. Egypt. Nubia. Ethiopia. South Africa. Oh great Africans! Everywhere. Unite and listen. Today we will learn several things. First. Abandon this term NEGRO, NEGROID, etc. The Portuguese coined this term in describing the Africans whom they enslaved and sold to Europeans worldwide. Negro is derogatory. Africans never called themselves by this name. White men did. This is part of their scam to divide and conquer black peoples. Take into consideration the ridiculous practice of Western and European scholars, ethnologists, and archaeologists, of defining North and Eastern Africans as Caucasian. Woe to those black people who allow themselves to fall victim to this insanity. Black "white people"? You've got to be kidding. trying to divide Africa not only racially, but culturally as well....You abominations before the grace of God should be ashamed. African peoples are one regardless of their varied physical appearance. Again I stress to you who refuse to accept truth to take a look around at black peoples. We are as varied in physical appearance in America as those in Africa, yet we are still BLACK. This term is used to merely identify the wide range of phenotypes that encompass the black peoples of the world. You take one physical variance -like nose width or hair texture- and try to create a separate race "Dark-skinned Caucasians"!!!!One might as well believe in leprechauns. Fallacy at it's best-or is it your refusal to acknowledge truth. African peoples are no longer falling for your mind games. They are uniting. We African-Americans are uniting with all African peoples. What are you going to do now? Create another figment of your racially-biased imagination. Let us select a single phenotype of Europeans. Let's choose something they idealize anyway. How about blond hair and blue eyes. Slavic traits, which incidentally gave birth to the term slave. Slavic peoples were often sold into slavery in North Africa and abroad. But that's besides the point. Anyway, let us choose this physical type to be the sole identifying trait of a white person. Blond hair. Blue Eyes. Now how many white people no longer fit the laymen's ideal of who is white? This would discredit red-heads, brunettes, etc... This makes no more sense to identify all white people by a single physical variance such as hair color and eye color - anymore than your pathetic attempts to classify Africans according to nose width or hair texture. It is absurd. My grandmother used to say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you can look at Africa in this ignorant manner and use two or three physical variances to define (or shall I say divide) who is black and who is not, do the same for your people, and you the one who is yelling the loudest about thick lips and Afros might not be "white" in the phenotype I ascribed to define who is white and who is not. Your attempts at insult are so misguided. Do you people even know that if you refer back to ancient literature of the Greeks and Romans and Indians that blond hair and blue eyes were thought to be physical traits of those individuals who lacked intellectual capacity due to slowed mental response because of cold climate. The Southern europeans referred to you Northern Europeans as savages. No wonder we hear the words "dumb blond". You use these words and don't even know where it stems from. Know yourself before you try to know Africa. In fact, black skin was looked upon favorably, if at all, by Southern Europeans wh wrote the Ethiopians were intelligent people. It was only during the terrorization of Hitler and other Neo-Nazi fascists that the td spears that you continue to sport today, only the spears you carried in your hands in the past are now the hatred you carry in your heart for black peoples. Know yourself! You are the descendant of those neanderthals and Cro-Magnon phenotypes that managed to hide in the European jungles when Black men warred against you. They killed off most of your ancestors but some got away. Then you return, angry and defeated, causing strife amongst peoples of color. We can't be blamed because you are recessive and against nature -an abomination upon the Earth. Mankind originated from Africa. Black peoples come from Africa. Not white. Take biology you ignorant savages. Take European history and learn the truth about where you come from. Stop crying out that African - Americans have no right to claim Egypt or any part of Africa , when your people -the descendants of barbarians- always claim the histories of the Greeks and Romans who despised you Northern ice-dwellers. You may have everyone else fooled, but I know YOU. Everything about you is falsified. The Greeks and Romans learned from Africans -BLACK MEN. There is no way around this truth, except maybe trying to call North and East Africans white people when they are black. You ever heard of Muleta Seraw. He was an ethiopian (a Northern African) who was killed back in 1987 by skinheads. You know why they killed him? They said he was a nigger to use your racist term. How is it that these white skinheads got an Ethiopian "white man" mixed up with a black man?!!!BECAUSE AFRICANS ARE NOT WHITE PEOPLE! When they saw Seraw they did not say ,"Hey, there goes a white "black" man,", they said, "Hey, there goes a black man. Let's kill him." You know that racial classification shit you have going in dividing Africans up is bullshit. Africans are one. You just want to do everuthing you can to deny the truth. Egyptians were black people. Egyptians were African - which is something you cannot take away from any African ANYWHERE!!!!!!! In our next lesson, we will learn about the Black Jews. Find it funny? don't believe it. Do your homework. There are also Black Russians and pyramids in Japan. Damn. Black brothers and sisters. Isn't it beautiful? We are just everywhere!!!!!!!!!!

Sophia "Wisdom"
Age: forever, of truth, USA - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 14:55:16 (EST)

THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS ARE BLACK CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!LIKE IT OR LEAVE !!!!IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD THE TRUTH HURTS

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 11:40:12 (EST)

to all of you against egyptians being black let me ask you a question why did Herodotus ( a white man a great white man) say "the ancient egyptians were black and whooly haired this should solve the races wars that consume this room.

Seti
USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 15:38:19 (EST)

i have never seen a scribe with blonde hair and blue eyes that is clearly a lie because that type of being is scarcely found in europe its self only in the easten parts which is far from africa a blonde hair blue eyed person in africa goes totally against the laws of physics and the human body due to the atmosphere of one land why do you lie with great haste you only afraid if the negro people find out about there true egyptian herritaige you (the white and arabs)will become inferrior and non visable you fear you will be turned into slavery and the black man will sit upon the egyptian thrown of his ancestors shame on your ignorance

minmankape
USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 15:22:02 (EST)

SO I SEE RAGE ASSEMBLES ONCE MORE ANS WHOSE THE IDIOT THAT WROTE ANA MIN MASR WA ELBI MIN MASR BIG DEAL THAT PROVES NOTHING AT ALL BESIDES THE ANCIENTS SPOKE NOTHING OF THAT AND FAR FROM IT I COULD MAKE UP SOME STUPID WORDS AND SAY SEE IM EGYPTIAN BIG DEAL THE WHITE MAN WILL EVEN CALL YOU A LIAR FOR THAT ONE ALL YOU ARABS AND CRACKERS WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO COME HERE EITHER WAY THE BLACKS ARE RIGHT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT SAY ALL THE BULL YOU WANT ALL YOU PEOPLE CAN DO IS TALK BUT THE BLACKS HAVE POOF JUST LOOK AT THE STUPID WALL PAINTINGS THEY DESCRIBE THE WHITE MAN AS BIENG WHITE THE ASIAN OR ARAB AS YELLOW AND THE EGYPTIAN A DARK BROWN THE NUBIAN AS BLACK IM THE SAME SKIN TONE AS THE EGYPTIANS ON THE WALL PAINTINGS THE SAME FEATURES HAIR AND ALL SO DOES MY SISTER SHE'S THOUGH A LITTLE LIGHTER THAN ME SO DOES MY FATHER HE NEGRO BUT HAS CAUCASIAN FEATURES THE ANCIENTS ARE BLACK THE END CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 15:10:24 (EST)

Peace to all the Brothers and sisters who are standing up to those who for their own personal gains or in many instances "out of pure ignorance"try to deny the Original People of the Planet Earth, their Heritage and Accomplishments. As a people we have the responsibility to learn all that we can about our history so that we can teach our youth the truth that this European thought dominated world would like to keep sheltered. We should not exert all of our energies into trying to change the mindset s of those who are not ready for the truth. We need to use every resource possible to make sure that this information is disseminated. I have to go to class now, but I'll be back. To Brother Clegg & all others who have contributed to the tape newsletter and this message Board. Keep up the good work I will do my best to tell as many people as possible about you . And to all of you revisionist Barbarians a day of judgement will come, and you will be dealt with by a power higher than us all.HOTEP!!!!!!

Uhuruu
Age: 22, New Orleans, La USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 12:08:02 (EST)

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just at some Afrocentric sites and I noticed many of seemed to be hijacking the history of the ancient Greeks Alot of these websites claim the Greeks stole there knowledge of science etc from Egypt.There is no evidence for this and even if that was true most of the knowledge the Egyptians knew was handed down from the ancient Sumerians.On the subject of the Egyptians being black or white they were neither they looked like modern Egyptians.Infact they might of been lighter skined, because during the the the middle ages and before there were many Arab invasions.You just have to look at any Egyptian sculpture of a person, the vast majority of them dont have Afroid features.I have even seen a statue of an egytian scribe with blond hair and blue eyes.Some mummys were also found with fair hair too. Also if you look at hyroglyph with Nubians in it you can clearly tell that the native Egyptians compared Nubians are clearly not black Africans. On the other hand I have seen statues of Egyptians that clearly show that they were black Africans and we musn't forget that the Nubians sdid at one stage conquer Egypt and rule for a number of years until they were in turn conquered by the Assryians.There is no doubt that Egypt was not a black nation but a multicultural one and perhaps we can learn from them. Celt USA - Saturday, April 18, 1998 at 06:22:06 (EDT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Egyptian language evolved between two important linguistic families: the Semitic languages of the Near-East (Akkadian, Hebrew, Arabic, ...) and the Hamitic languages of Central- and North-Africa (Somali, Galla, Berber, ...). It is thus not surprising that the Egyptian language shows some similarities with both the Semitic and, to a lesser degree, the Hamitic languages. In general semantics, it shares with the Semitic languages the peculiarity that its word-stems are combinations of consonants, as a rule three, which are theoretically unchangeable. Grammatical inflection and minor changes of meaning were either contrived by changing the internal, unwritten vowels. More important differences of meaning are created by whole or partial duplication of the word-stem, or by placing a special consonant before or after the word-stem: words beginning with s often denote a causative verb; for instance, the verb mn means "be established" and its derived form smn means "cause to be established", hence "establish"; qb means "to be cool", sqb means "to refresh", ... words beginning with m often denote a place; thus sDr means "to lie down" and msDr means "the place of lying down" hence "the ear"... This, however, does not imply that all words beginning with an m denote a place. the ending t is used for feminine and abstract words in Egyptian, Arabic and many other Semitic languages. There are also many similarities in the vocabulary itself. The following is a list of some similarities between Ancient Egyptian words and words in several Semitic languages. Please note, however, that the representation of the Ancient Egyptian words is but a consonantal skeleton of the words. The Ancient Egyptians didn't write any vowels. Any character in the list below that is a vowel in our language, is either added by the modern-day Egyptologist to facilitate reading of Egyptian texts, or a representation of a consonant unknown in western languages, but common in Semitic languages. English Ancient Egyptian Semitic languages to count Hsb Hasaba (Arabic) eight khemenu shemoneh (Hebrew) I (1st person singular) ink anoki (Hebrew) stone vessel ikn akunu (Babylonian) skin mskA mashku (Assyrian) to fall kher khur (Arabic) colour iwn lawn (Arabic) Sometimes such semantic similarities are obscured by unobvious consonantal changes or by a changing in the order of the consonants. Thus the Ancient Egyptian word snb "be healthy" is related to the Arabic word salima where the Egyptian n has been transformed into the Arabic l and the b into m. This, however, does not mean that the language of the Ancient Egyptians was a mere combination of linguistic and semantic elements of the Semitic and Hamitic languages! It shows many of its own peculiarities that belong to neither of the two linguistic families, that can only be explained if it were part of yet another linguistic family: the Hamo-Semitic languages. to all you idiots that claim egyptian is kush language USA - Saturday, November 28, 1998 at 23:27:15 (EST)

all you idiots sterotype ancient egyptians
USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 11:57:05 (EST)

how it is only blacks that wear the anhk and nefetiti chain charms and white and arabs dont this only means that blacks were the decendents of the ancient egyptians

nefertiti
L.A, USA - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 16:38:37 (EST)

Thismessage is exclusively to my BLACK brothers and sisters! As I have written earlier, the savages that are writing negative comments about Black people and ancient Egypt being a Black land with Black people ARE NOT EGYPTIAN! I don't believe they are Egyptian for one moment! They are just some ignorant barbarian savage that is trying to jerk our chains! Again, it does not matter what the trailer trash thinks of us or our ancestry! It does not matter at all! THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT WE THINK OF "OURSELVES"!!!!!! This is where the real battle lies.....only in what we think of ourselves. This is the purpose of the never ending media attacks on the Black image and psyche in general! Again, the trailer trash savage that is calling himself Egyptian is most likely not even human. Why should the trailer trash savage barbarians care about what we think and say about our ancestry? Think about it my BLACK brothers and sisters! Do they or we go to Chinese, Japanese, European, etc. sites arguing about their ancestors color? Hell no. They have a right to think of themselves in any fashion they choose. WE BLACK PEOPLE ON THIS BLACK ORIENTED WEB SITE ARE DOING TE SAME. WE ARE EXPRESSING WHAT WE THINK OF OURSELVES AND NOBODY ELSE! THE SAVAGE THAT IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS EGYPTIAN IS NOTHING! IT IS NOT FROM EGYPT, IT IS NOT EGYPTIAN....IT IS NOT HUMAN. AGAIN, THIS THING ENTERS NEGATIVE COMMENTS UNDER MANY DIFFERENT NAMES! THEY ARE SIMPLY JERKING YOUR CHAIN TO DIVERT FROM THE REAL GLORIOUS PURPOSE OF THIS MAGNIFICENT WEB SITE. THAT MOST HINORABLE PURPOSE IS TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND TEACH US (BLACK) PEOPLE ABOUT WHO AND HOW MAGNIFICENT WE REALLY ARE, WHO WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, AND WHO WE ALWAYS WILL BE! WE ARE MAGNIFICENT AND INDESTRUCTIBLE BLACK. I would like to now repeat an earlier comment from a previous message from one of our sisters: To those of you who commented earlier Thurs. Nov. 26. Get a box of crayons. Pull out a black one and pull out a brown one. Mix the two colors together. What color do you get? Brown! Add a little more of the white crayon and you'll get very close to yellow, add a little bit of black, and it gets darker. My point is in order to obtain any shade of brown, you must mix with black. Black being the basic color. Stop trying to play word games with "colors". And stop defining yourselves in terms applied to you by the white man. Negroe is a ignorant word. A white man made it up. We are all people of color. Have you ever heard of the one-drop rule? One drop of African blood and your ass is BLACK! I hate to use this word, but it's the only word you people seem to understand and misunderstand at the same time. Africans from the North to the South are Africans. The history of Africans is unified by the very tie that binds them that none of you can deny-AFRICA. So you Europeans study your own barbaric banana-skin eating history. No one is rewriting history! We are uncovering lies! Stop defacing the reliefs in the tombs and attempting to lighten the pigmentation the Egyptians themselves documented. White people do not come from Africa. HOTEP, OKAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thutmos
Age: 40, Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, December 03, 1998 at 11:59:34 (EST)

Egyptian language evolved between two important linguistic families: the Semitic languages of the Near-East (Akkadian, Hebrew, Arabic, ...) and the Hamitic languages of Central- and North-Africa (Somali, Galla, Berber, ...). It is thus not surprising that the Egyptian language shows some similarities with both the Semitic and, to a lesser degree, the Hamitic languages. In general semantics, it shares with the Semitic languages the peculiarity that its word-stems are combinations of consonants, as a rule three, which are theoretically unchangeable. Grammatical inflection and minor changes of meaning were either contrived by changing the internal, unwritten vowels. More important differences of meaning are created by whole or partial duplication of the word-stem, or by placing a special consonant before or after the word-stem: words beginning with s often denote a causative verb; for instance, the verb mn means "be established" and its derived form smn means "cause to be established", hence "establish"; qb means "to be cool", sqb means "to refresh", ... words beginning with m often denote a place; thus sDr means "to lie down" and msDr means "the place of lying down" hence "the ear"... This, however, does not imply that all words beginning with an m denote a place. the ending t is used for feminine and abstract words in Egyptian, Arabic and many other Semitic languages. There are also many similarities in the vocabulary itself. The following is a list of some similarities between Ancient Egyptian words and words in several Semitic languages. Please note, however, that the representation of the Ancient Egyptian words is but a consonantal skeleton of the words. The Ancient Egyptians didn't write any vowels. Any character in the list below that is a vowel in our language, is either added by the modern-day Egyptologist to facilitate reading of Egyptian texts, or a representation of a consonant unknown in western languages, but common in Semitic languages. English Ancient Egyptian Semitic languages to count Hsb Hasaba (Arabic) eight khemenu shemoneh (Hebrew) I (1st person singular) ink anoki (Hebrew) stone vessel ikn akunu (Babylonian) skin mskA mashku (Assyrian) to fall kher khur (Arabic) colour iwn lawn (Arabic) Sometimes such semantic similarities are obscured by unobvious consonantal changes or by a changing in the order of the consonants. Thus the Ancient Egyptian word snb "be healthy" is related to the Arabic word salima where the Egyptian n has been transformed into the Arabic l and the b into m. This, however, does not mean that the language of the Ancient Egyptians was a mere combination of linguistic and semantic elements of the Semitic and Hamitic languages! It shows many of its own peculiarities that belong to neither of the two linguistic families, that can only be explained if it were part of yet another linguistic family: the Hamo-Semitic languages.

to all you idiots that claim egyptian is kush language
USA - Saturday, November 28, 1998 at 23:27:15 (EST)

PREPARE TO DIE PHAROAH. MAY GOD SWALLOW YOU TO DEATH IN WATER. THE PHAROAH WAS THE WORST OF PEOPLE..THE HITLER OF THE ANCIENT WORLD THAT ENSLAVED MANY NUBIANS, KUSH, HEBREWS AND EVEN HIS OWN PEOPLE. DON'T SLEEP

..
USA - Saturday, November 28, 1998 at 14:14:51 (EST)

To those of you who commented earlier Thurs. Nov. 26. Get a box of crayons. Pull out a black one and pull out a brown one. Mix the two colors together. What color do you get? Brown! Add a little more of the white crayon and you'll get very close to yellow, add a little bit of black, and it gets darker. My point is in order to obtain any shade of brown, you must mix with black. Black being the basic color. Stop trying to play word games with "colors". And stop defining yourselves in terms applied to you by the white man. Negroe is a ignorant word. A white man made it up. We are all people of color. Have you ever heard of the one-drop rule? One drop of African blood and your ass is BLACK! I hate to use this word, but it's the only word you people seem to understand and misunderstand at the same time. Africans from the North to the South are Africans. The history of Africans is unified by the very tie that binds them that none of you can deny-AFRICA. So you Europeans study your own barbaric banana-skin eating history. No one is rewriting history! We are uncovering lies! Stop defacing the reliefs in the tombs and attempting to lighten the pigmentation the Egyptians themselves documented. White people do not come from Africa. OKAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Age: ?, USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 11:57:17 (EST)

The Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations in Symmetry with Laney College and Wo'se Community Church Presents the 1998 ASCAC Western Region Conference "BUILDING FOR ETERNITY: Raising the Pillar - Organizing for the Future" Friday, December 4, 1998 - 7-10 p.m. Wo'se Community Church 8924 Holly Street Oakland California Saturday, December 5, 1998 Laney College 900 Fallon Street Oakland California Sunday, December 6, 1998 Wo'se Community Church (see above) Confirmed scholars include: Dr. Charles Alum - Contra Costa County College, Richmond, CA Dr. Jacob Carruthers - Northwestern Illinois University, Chicago, Illinois Dr. Joye Hardiman - Evergreen College, Tacoma Washington Dr. Leonard Jeffries - City College of New York, N.Y., New York Dr. Wade Nobles - San Francisco State University, S.F. California Dr. Theophile Obenga - San Francisco State University, S.F. California Professor Vulindlela Wobogo - San Francisco State University, S.F. California Dr. Artee Young - Evergreen College, Tacoma Washington Other confirmed presenters/participants from the western region include: Minister Greg Hodge - Wose’ Community Church, Oakland, CA Nsoa Chionesu - Oakland, CA Micheal Essien - Oakland, CA Matata Mwilu - Oakland, CA Chief Agboola - Oakland, CA Dr. Lawford Goddard - Oakland, CA Khari Toure - Oakland, CA Dr. Pamela George - Oakland, CA Brother Ptahotep - Oakland, CA Dr. William Cavil - Oakland, CA Manu Ampim - Oakland, CA Lazima Tutashinda - Sacramento, CA Rev. MeriKara Byrd - Christ Unity Center, Los Angeles, CA Thelma Cameron - Los Angeles, CA Brother Nigel - Los Angeles, CA Jamie Thomas - Los Angeles, CA James Thomas - Los Angeles, CA AdisaAjamu - Howard University Salim Faraji - Claremont College Workshops include: Spritual Development; Creative Productions Research; Education; Science and Technology; Health; Nutrition; Language; and the Institute for Youth Please visit our African Market Place !!! Saturday evening Cultural Entertainment includes: Wobogo Jazz Ensemble The African Queens The Final Poet The Circle of Learning Orators N2Wishin There will be plenary sessions and workshops, as well as the special acknowledgement of our recent ancestors, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Brother Muntu Bushongo and Brother Kwame Ture. Donations: Members $20 / Visitors $25 - Elders / Students $15 Addd $5 after November 27, 1998 Vendors: Members $50 - Non-Members $65 Add $10 after November 27, 1998 For registration information, please call Naeem Deskins (510) 658-5966 or (323) 730-1155 Looking forward to seeing all of you there!

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@AOL.COM>
Age: ?, Oakland, CA USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 04:36:36 (EST)

to the man who calls himself an egyptian first i want to say my father comes from egypt and a: he is colored b: he is no white c: how can you explain that nowadays so many egypts have a dark color kinky hairs or african bodies to the black afro-americans: please be careful if you talk about the egyptian culture it is not good to use the name pahraoa if you want to use an eyptian-name use a normal name (that means not an arabic name) last night i had a dissusion with my friends from eretria about the pharaonics at last we came to the conclusion that is not so easy to say who exactly have this blood and the right to call him an real egyptian also a white egyptian can have african blood because 10 generations one part of his family were colored please understand when i don't use the words black, nigger and so on these words are the words of the white man, the words of slavery be carefull! mussa

mussa <darwish@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de>
germany - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 17:18:17 (EST)

To Lakisa as far as your comment about Egyptians calling Black Americans "Niggers", you must understand the Egyptians today are not the Egyptians of the past when to be of color was to be of beauty instead of the tendency of thought today. nigerians have a term for Black Americans as well, it is akata (Forgive my spelling I am not familiar with the language) and it means "cotton-picker". We must take into account that ignorance and self-hate does exist amongst ourselves. it also exixts in other groups of people as well. Whites from Ireland during their immigration to the US in the earlier part of the century were also subject to racial slurs by other whites. this is nothing new under the sun. There are traitors among us. Chaka Zulu lost his fight to control his land because his brother and others devised a plot to kill him out of jealousy. That's the only reason the Europeans gained control of the last great powerful nation of African peoples, by finding the weak link in the chain. What we as African peoples must do is love and accept one another and free ourselves from this "white tide" of oppressive thinking. We are all beautiful - the black as night, the cinnamon brown, the sienna red, the creamy caramel, and the sunny yellow. we must stop discriminating amongst ourselves. I'm not going to go into the color-complex but you know what I'm talking about. From Lauryn Hill to Lela Rochon to Tatianna Ali to Vanessa Williams to Mariah Carey (and thank the Supreme Being she remembered who and what she was) we are all beautiful, and the same goes for our men. Why do you think the foreign women want our men? They're gorgeous and so many phenotypes to choose from.....Uhmm-mmmmmm. Anyway, we need to love each other - All Africans- and stop defining ourselves in the terms of what other groups say. And all those Arabs, Semites, etc. Don't worry about them. they know what's really up. It is only that they are trapped in the thinking of the white man that they resolve to their similiar insulting behavior. They have adopted the surefire - self-destructive thought of If-you-can't-beat 'em join 'em. At this time, people of color all over the Earth are subject to the whims of those in dominance which truthfully aren't us. they have the power now as we once did, and it was only by setting us up against each other, did they succeed in putting us under their rule of thumb. If we people of color do not unite ourselves we will continue to be dominated and subjugated until the end of time as we know it. They had the sense to unify themselves to conquer the globe - why can't we. Sadly, I fear before we ever see people of color in power again it will only be temporary for they will unleash upon the world -NUCLEAR & BIOLOGICAL WARFARE. So really what we must desire is a unity amongst ourselves as people of color and a unity based on respect, even with them. They have the upper hand right now - around the globe- do you think they are going to give that up to once agagin return to the barbaric conditions that plague some european countries today? Don't bet on it. The world will end before that happens. I pray the Supreme Being will have mercy on us and spare us this imminent disaster, but if indeed, it is to transpire - than at least let it be written that we were a unified people prior to this fearful event. Die proud or die a coward, purported to be the wretched of the Earth. Let's not go out like that, if at all. Fellow people of color, Native American, Asian, Hispanic, Indian,etc. Let us unite. Do not hate your own kind. We all share one unifying biologicaal trait - melanin. Don't discriminate amongst yourselves. It is how we remain immobile and powerless. Melanin is a blessing given to us by the Almighty. It is part of the natural design given birth by it's infinite being. Just as the molten lava inside the Earth enables the planet to have a magnetic umbrella to protect it from the lethal solar winds (the Sun), we have been given melanin to protect us as well. Fear should be in those who do not possess this trait, not those that do. we are blessed. We are selected naturally for survival. Be grateful for the Eternal One errs not. Nothing is hidden from the Eternal One and all will answer, it is when the Eternal hides its face from us shall we be afraid....and in hiding your face from your own kind likewise may be done to you, but fear this more my lost brethren. Our pains and strife will not go unrewarded. The traitors among us will be known. Call us "niggers". Call us akata. But know that you whom spite your own, spite yourselves, and inturn spite the very work "created by the hands of the Eternal One". I will comment no further on those among us who are against us. It is a waste of precious time. let me adress those of you who seek truth in a world of lies. Educate yourselves. Go far and beyond perceived limits. Knowledge my dear friends is power. Don't let Western and European scholars dictate our "history". Discover how beautiful the people of Africa are from top to bottom. I have many African friends and I never fail to recognize the essence of their beauty, their culture....I am overwhelmed when I consider my own stolen legacy. I the descendant of a great queen, who whispered to me when I was a mere child, to seek her out. Do not forget where you come from, she said, or you will never move forward. I understood and my soul searches for the past that was torn from my bosom. The greatness of my ancestors goes unrealized - submerged under millions of lies told by those who wish to hide the truth. I know. I am knowing and knowing more and more every day. i am rising above your lies and glowing with the knowledge and light given me by the Eternal One. Sophia you must not rest. I plunder through text after text, sorting through their lies and discarding them like yesterday's trash, winning the war with every tid-bit of knowledge I soulfully digest. As long as I have breath in this body I will aid in the disclosure of truth not just for people of color -although they are my priority - but to all. Ignorance is bliss. The great number of you that allow yourselves to remain ignorant are only afraid of the truth. Seek and ye shall find. It's there as it has always been forever and ever and ever. Be proud and be strong my brethren, for we have began THE JOURNEY.

Sophia "wisdom" Part ii
- Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 16:40:08 (EST)

I am so sick and tired of this supposed stereotyped Negroe race. First of all, it was a white man who came to Africa and designated that term to apply to African peoples who by the way have varied physical appearances. No African came up with this term. No African prior to the foreigner identified himself or herself by this term. if anything, they were simply a human being OF COLOR who recognized a physical and cultural difference as did the Native Americans, indians, Chinese, etc. who were infiltrated by these foreigners. The Chinese painted humorous charicatures of the Europeans upon their entry into their country. As I take a look at the continents of the world, there is not one place left untouched by the wickedness of these foreign peoples. Look at America. the way they beat the native American groups that had lived here for thousands of years was to first befriend them, claiming to come in peace and seeking refuge from persecution in England. The Native Americans just as the Africans (Egyptian, Nubian, whatever,a long time ago, trusted them and allowed them to occupy certain territory. With time greed arose, and these foreigners devised a plan that continues to cause ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR TODAY to war amongst themselves-DIVIDE AND CONQUER. In setting one black man against another, they are able to control and manipulate affairs in Africa (as they do today) while planting the seed of self-hate. Prior to the foreigners entry into Africa I'd bet not one African thought himself or herself to be superior to the other due to physical variances such as nose width and hair texture. neither did the Indians (In India for those who are ignorant) discriminate amongst themselves according to complexion hue, nor the Asians, etc. To do so would be illogical for physical variances among the same phenotype(within the same group of people) would be acceptable, the resemblances are only cast into subjectivity when an outside group enters. Though there was warfare amongst groups of people of color this warfare as implied between the wall paintings in the tomb of Seti were not the result of a group of black men who felt a need to distinguish themselves from another group of black men because of physical variances, but these were merely the Egyptians distinguishing themselves culturally from the other Africans as would a Zulu distinguish himself from a Nigerian, but they are still black, regardless of the color of their skin. When we can find ourselves intelligently capable of dismissing this need to identify ourselves by this wide umbrella of a term, the better off will be. Why not just say we are African. Africa gave birth to mankind, the majority of scholars and archaeologists agree the first human as we know it was out of Africa. warm environments give rise to dark-pigmented people, not those without melanin. It would be against nature. Egyptians as white? Only if Egypt had been located in the cold terrains of Europe. Melanin is a rarity in cold climates. Look at the animals in the arctic region of the world. Do you see black bears? Do you see any color whatsoever that is indigenous to those type of environments? No. You see white white white blue-eyed white. White rabbits. White bears. White snow. certain phenotypes are dictated by nature to rise in certain environments. Africa, dependent upon which region and epoch were talking has a warm to hot environment. Without melanin very few phenotypes could exist their. pigmentation and curliness of the hair are the body's way of adaption to the physical environment. White-skinned Egyptians as a dominant phenotype would be incomprehensible to the design set by nature. The sun would do fierce damage to their skin, only through mingling with the melanin present in the original phenotype could such a thing as a White Egyptian exist, and in that as we apply racial standards today would still constitute a "black" Egyptian. With the gene soup you can get just about any combination going through the mixture of varied types, but the phenotype of Africa is dominant "black" not recessive "white". To whiten out the original Egyptians, a massive onslaught of Whites would have had to copulate with the indigenous phenotype. The dark traits, nonetheless, still prevail today. My question to you is this, Not were the Egyptians Black (The sooner we rid ourselves of the usage of this term the better off we will all be) but did they look like people from Scandinavia and other parts of Europe? You know you'd be telling a damn lie if you said they did - especially the original people who inhabited that area. Unless Africa was once bombarded with a cold climate and Egypt was founded by peoples of this climate, then there is no way in hell you could make the argument for their existence in Africa. it makes no sense biologically. And let us stop holding up the culture of Egypt as the sole civilization of Africa, the Nubians had great achievement as well. Classical Africa exists in the n.eastern portion and in other areas. Seek and ye shall find. I'm not going to say there were never any whites in egypt. Certain pharaohs did allow groups of them to abide in the Delta region, but they made the classic mistake as did every other man of color on the face of the Earth in his dealings with them - trust. The Chinese and Japanese were smart. Although the Europeans tried to move in and culturally destroy them as well, the Asians only let them live in certain ports and finally when they saw the true intent of theses foreigners, they told them to get the hell out, and thus saved themselves to an extent. the biggest mistake the rest of the great civilizations did like those in Africa is to turn amongst themselves. As long as african peoples allow themselves to be divided and categorized by foreigners she will never be the great Queen she once was. We must stop identifying ourselves by these derogatory terms assigned us by the foreigners. ALL OF US. We are all Africans including those lost in the U.S. To claim the history of great Africa requires not that you be born in one part of africa over another, but that we all revel in our Africaness regardless of location. West Africa, North africa, East Africa - We are all african! Don't let them use that slave mentality house nigger deception they use to divide descendants of Africans in the U.S. What you people who say we descendants of West Africans have no claim to Egypt, you're mistaken. We are all African. If we have no claim to Egypt than you have no claim to Graeco-Roman civilization, particularly those whose ancestors hail from Northern Europe.If you dare try to cut Africa in half and claim one group has no right over another, then stop teaching Greek and Roman history in the schools. Let's talk about your ancestors, the barbarian savages who ran throught the wilderness of Europe. When you really want to talk, let's talk. Let's speak truth. And one more thing. Herodotus drew a map of ancient Africa, and even admitted that he didn't know if there were any people below the Sub-saharan region. As I turn my interest not just to Northeast africa but to the entire continent of Africa, would it be erroneous to conclude the great majority of early africans resided in the upper portions of Africa - all variances of african phenotypes? could it be that only after secessive foreign infiltration did many of these groups spread to the rest of Africa? It sounds a little like white flight, only it would be us trying to get the hell away from them.

Sophia "Wisdom"
Age: 2?, Atlanta, Ga USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 14:59:50 (EST)

Seldom have I seen such infantile trailer trash behaving in such a SAVAGE manner! Take note....at least the last five entries are from the same trailer trash person/thing! Many of the other entries are from similar fools trying to fool someone into believing they are Black with names like Latanya Jones and Lakisha Reilly, etc. Latanya Jones, Lakisha Reilly, Lea, Me, and True Egyptian are all the same person. Look at the way the fool deliberately tries to mis-spell words to make you think they are Black. The bafoonish ignorant piece of rotted trailer trash is obviously too stupid to realize that we Black people are extremely intelligent in reality. This is also proof of how RACIST BIGOTRY MAKES PEOPLE STUPID! Imagine....trying to pretend to be Black. These are all the same brainless person, and I hope everybody is laughing at the impotent trailer trash as hard as hard as I am. It is so very obvious my great Black people that these savages care very deeply about WHAT WE THINK OF OURSELVES!!!!!!!! They are fighting a losing battle because we are coming to greater knowledge every single day. The baffoons can only stand on the sidelines and make tralier trash fools of themselves with these FUNNY letters......they CAN'T get into our wonderful and powerful Black minds. Keep trying trailer trash SAVAGES! You make us laugh!!! Our ancient Egyptian ancestors were BLACK AFRICANS....and you are not! I can smell you stinky flesh through this computer! Take a bath you filthy animal. While our ancestors were embracing the banks of the nile.....yours were still living in bats crap (in the caves).....and drinking the blood from the skulls of your conquered dead. You call this civilization. It is not! This is simply the best you barbaric savages can come up with. They stole all our arts and sciences from AFRICA! The world is indebted to us for all. We mapped the stars (with pencil and paper) more precisely than the feeble minds that created these so called computers! We (BLACK PEOPLE) had libraries the size of cities! The leaders were all mathematicians, doctors, scientists, etc. Rule by pure knowledge and wisdom. In contrast....look at what the SAVAGES have created: Pure decadence (Jewish Jerry Springer); exploitation of the masses or anybody weak or poor; Rule by anything other than wisdom........rule by politicial lawyers; Rule by money! Turn on the television and watch the gun shooting, killing , killing , killing, lying; murdering, cheating etc. Showing the true nature of the SAVAGE. SAVAGES LIKE THE TRAILER TRASH THAT WROTE THE PREVIOUS NOTE ARE ABSOLUTELY PRACTICING SELF HATE IN ACTUALITY. Our ancient Egyptians ancestors are BLACK AFRICANS.....and you are not!

Thutmos
Age: 40, Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 02:04:01 (EST)

i think Egypt should matter to Egyptians. Not to black Americans. if they were black they would have all said that. but the only ones who are calling them black is us black people. it makes us look foolish. is so STUPID YOU AFROCENTRIC IDIOTS WANT TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY ARE. WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR BELOVED EAST AFRICA WHERE OUR REEEEEAAAAAAL ANSESTORS CAME FROM. STOP LOOKING UP NORTH AND LOOK TO THE SOUTH...the place where YOU CAME FROM...BLACK WEST AFRICA.

latanya jones
mississippi - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 19:14:39 (EST)

to the idiot who calls himself "pharoh" and to the other fool "ron." number 1 i am first generation egyptian. number 2 the egpyians spoke cotic not kush. the kush were a completely different race. if you want a lesson from the egyptians on this matter speak to an egyptian coptic christian...THEY SPEAK EGYPTIAN. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DISERVE CREDIT FOR EGYPT ARE EGYPTIANS, NOT AFRO-AMERICANS, NOT ZULUS, NOT CANADIANS AND SURE AS HECK NOT WANNABE EGYPTIANS THAT CALL THEMSELVES "PHAROAH." THEY DON'T HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVE IN EGYPT. AFRO-AMERICANS ARE DECENDANTS OF SLAVES FROM WEST AFRICA. MOST EGYPTIANS ARE NOT BLACK AND SPOKE A SEMETIC TYPE OF LANGUAGE. I AM WILLING TO DEBATE ANYONE. EGYPT IS AFRO-ASIAN IN LINGUISTICS. FOR ANY IDIOT WHO DARES TO CHALLAGE EGYPTIANS--DO IT AND SEE HOW BAD YOU LOSE.

true egyptian
USA - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 18:49:46 (EST)

i am very sad that so many people fight about the egypts and question of their color i think that many people have no reflection about the words that they write. that's pure racism!!! and remember why are the people (white or black) wants to claim the truth? because the old-egypts had build a civilisation which is the base of our modern cicilisation? in what kind of civilsation do we live? crime, racism, terror, poornes and so on...who is proud about this? what kind of discussion is that black or white? i also can say the egypts are afro-asians but i am sure the other part say no they are zulus and the others say again they come from sweden or norway what a mad discussion in africa the people have really other problems accept that we are all humans and don't forget it! and at last, depends love of the criteria of color? think about it! mussa

darwish <darwish@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de>
Age: 27, darmstadt, germany - Monday, November 23, 1998 at 14:08:27 (EST)

Mr. Clegg, Ma'at did a wonderful interview with a scholar in your WAS JESUS BLACK article a while back. His name escapes me and I can't locate your archives. He made a reference to Jesus being born in a cave in Ethoipia. He also can two person to which this idea was attributed. I'm having a difficult time tracking that reference down on the net. Could you give me some leads or advice. I'm already going to check J.A. Rogers.... Thanks. JCH

Johnathan Harding <khard55295@aol.com>
Age: 30, Philadelphia, PA USA - Sunday, November 22, 1998 at 11:28:00 (EST)

THIS ONE GOES TO THE GUY WHO CALLS HIM SELF TRUE EGYPTIAN :HOW CAN YOU CLAIM YOUR A TRUE EGYPTIAN WHEN YOU DONT EVEN LIVE IN EGYPT WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE IS SOME WHITE OR ARAB FREAK WHO WANTS TO SCREW SOMEBODY ELSES CULTURE UP NOW YOU CANT SAY THAT I'M AGAINST THEM BUT BEING A WHITE CULCASIAN MALE I HAVE LEARN THE ART AND HISTORY OF THE EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION IM NOT SAYING THEY WERE BLACK BUT THEY SURE WERENT WHITE SEMETIC OR ARAB THEY WERE A PEOPLE WHOSE COLOR RANGES WENT FROM BLACK TO REDDISH BROWN TO YELLOW BUT NOT WHITE I THINK YOU OH THERE DECENDENTS (NOT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EGYPT TODAY) BUT THE PEOPLES OTHER WISE WHO WE HAVE PERSECUTED DURING THE SLAVE TRADE AND MANY RACIST MANNOR OF SUCH AND ON THE LANGUAGE THEORY THEY FELT CLOSELY TO THE SOUTH THAT WHICH IS THE KUSHITES WHO WERE THERE FOR FATHERS THEY SPOKE THE LANGUAGE OF KUSH AND ITS ABOUT TIME WE GIVE THEM THE CREDIT THEY ARE DUE

RON SHAEFER
Age: 41, USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 11:38:39 (EST)

WHY DO YOU ARABS AND WHITE FORIEGNERS KEEP COMMING HERE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT COMEBACK OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE BLACKS ARE SAYING IS TRUE IF ITS BOTHERING YOU SO MUCH AND I ADMIT WHAT YOU WHITE PEOPLE AND ARABS ARE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL YOU PEOPLE TALK AND THEN GIVE NO "REAL" PROOF BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORD SAYING THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE ARABS INVASION SO THERE FORE NEGRO DECENDENTS PAY NO MIND TO THESE WHITE AND ARAB LIARS THEY NO NOTHING OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HISTORY

THE MAN
USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 10:08:31 (EST)

TO THE IDIOT WHO ISNT A TRUE EGYPTIAN ANSWER THIS HOW COME TUTANKHOMON HAS A BLACK MAN'S STATUE GAURDING HIS TOMB AND WHY DID SUCH PHAROAHS SUCH AS MENTUHOTEP THE SECOND AND DJOSER COLOR THEM SELVES BLACK SKINNED NOT BROWN WHY DID RAMSES THE SECOND AND FIRST COLOR THEM SELVES THE NEGRO TYPE PIGMENT WHY DID SETI THE FIRST FATHER TO RAMSES THE GREAT ORDER HIMSELF COLORED AS A NEGRO WHY DID DJOSER ORDER TO HAVE HIS STATUE LOOK LIKE THOSE OF A NEGRO AND WHY DOES IMHOTEP THE FATHER OF MEDICINE HAVE A STATUE OF HIMSELF FOUND IN THE STEP PYRAMID BAREING THIP LIPS AND A "NIGGER " NOSE HMM SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE PLAIN OLD TYPICAL NEGOES AND WHY LIKE SISTER SOPHIA SAID WHY WOULD THEY WORSHIP BLACK GODS AND COLOR THEM SELVES NEGRO THAT DOESNT SEEM LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT INHABIT EGYPT TODAY JUST FACE IT YOUR FIGHTING A LOOSING BATTLE THE ANCIENTS WERE BLACK GET OVER IT DONT GET MAD BECAUSE YOU ARAB FORIEGNERS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING TO CIVILIZATION AND WE AND THE BLACKS DID!!!

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 10:01:34 (EST)

Sistah Sophia , ........I man am feelin' yuh to the fullest .........yes Queen,......more euro-centric skintone hysteria ...........One Unity, Forward Strong Together.

jahreal
Age: 45, USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 08:23:52 (EST)

Just at some Afrocentric sites and I noticed many of seemed to be hijacking the history of the ancient Greeks Alot of these websites claim the Greeks stole there knowledge of science etc from Egypt.There is no evidence for this and even if that was true most of the knowledge the Egyptians knew was handed down from the ancient Sumerians.On the subject of the Egyptians being black or white they were neither they looked like modern Egyptians.Infact they might of been lighter skined, because during the the the middle ages and before there were many Arab invasions.You just have to look at any Egyptian sculpture of a person, the vast majority of them dont have Afroid features.I have even seen a statue of an egytian scribe with blond hair and blue eyes.Some mummys were also found with fair hair too. Also if you look at hyroglyph with Nubians in it you can clearly tell that the native Egyptians compared Nubians are clearly not black Africans. On the other hand I have seen statues of Egyptians that clearly show that they were black Africans and we musn't forget that the Nubians sdid at one stage conquer Egypt and rule for a number of years until they were in turn conquered by the Assryians.There is no doubt that Egypt was not a black nation but a multicultural one and perhaps we can learn from them. Celt

most Egyptians aren't black
USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 00:41:28 (EST)

EGYPTIANS DONT CALL THEMSELVES ARABS(this is to the idiot named "pharoah" on this list) They are not negroid. PUT THE PICTURES OF THE NUBIANS AND KUSH NEXT TO THE EGYPTIANS AND STUDY THE SKIN TONES AND FACIAL FEATUES...The VAST MAJORITY OF EGYPTIANS AREN'T BLACK!!!!

true egyptian
USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 00:37:09 (EST)

EGYPTIANS ARE NOT BLACKS!! DUH!! THEY DON'T HAVE BIG NEGROID LIPS, FLAT NOSES AND PITCH BLACK SKIN! THEY SPEAK COPTIC WHICH IS RELATED CLOSELY TO SEMETIC LANGUAGES SUCH AS HEBREW AND ASSYRIAN: EGYPTIAN is WRITTEN LEFT TO RIGHT, SENTENCE STRUCTURE IS VERY CLOSE TO HEBREW, EGYPTIAN IS WRITTEN OFTEN WITHOUT VOWELS(LIKE HEBREW AND OTHER AFRO-ASIAN LANGUAGES), AND Many Words are SImiILAR!! you all should do your homework before you jump to conclusions that is was Kushitic. Open a BOOK AND READ, ASK, AND RESEARCH. I CHALLEGE YOU.

true egyptian
USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 00:34:48 (EST)

HELLO PEOPLE ITS ME AGAIN YOU KNOW THE BLACK EGYPTIAN WELL BASICALLY MY FAMILY ORIGINATED IN GEORGIA BLESSED BE THIS DAY FOR SOPHIA WISDOM IS AN EGYPTIAN QUEEN COMMING TO MINISTER AMOUNGST US FOR SHE SPEAKS THE TRUTH I HAVE A HOOKED NOSE AND THIN LIPS SO DID MY FATHER BEFORE ME BUT WE ARE BOTH NEGRO AND THE EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK BLESSED BE US ALL (THE BLACKS DECENDENTS OF THE EGYPTIANS&KUSHITES) I LOVE YOU ALL AND YOU ARABS AND CRACKERS CAN BURN IN THE HELL GOD MADE FOR YOU FOR STILLING ANOTHER MAN CULTURE AND YOU KNOW WHY THE SPHINX FACE IS DESTROYED IS BECAUSE NAPOLEAN DID IT BECAUSE HE DIDNT LIKE ITS NEGRO FEATURES WELP PEOPLE I GOTTA RUN SEE YA AND BLACK EGYPT LIVES FOREVER

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 16:14:29 (EST)

As a child while most kids my age craved the latest toys, I sought knowledge. I read and read and read more books than most kids eat candy. At ten years old I came across Egypt in an Encyclopedia. I found the topic interesting, mainly because the people in the human imagery of various periods were brown-skinned like me, black-skinned like my friends, yellow-skinned like my mother, etc. I saw all colors representative of the African-American people I lived with every day. I was perplexed by the map in the encyclopedia because it never mentioned that Egypt was in Africa. in fact, even the textbooks we had in school never mentioned the location of Egypt. Therefore, I concluded that they just looked like me. But now i know better. let me tell all of you, how angry I am at one particular incident in my life concerning the ancestry of Egypt. In the fifth grade, a white woman came to my class and showed a predominantly black group of children, paintings, reliefs, sculpture, etc. I raised my hand after viewing the selections of art, and dared to ask one question. "What color were the Egyptians?" Do you know what this white ignorant bitch told me and the rest of the class? They were white, and they just painted their skin that color. Hmmmmmm. White people just painting their skin that color. Last time I checked, most societies idealize their characteristics to some extent. I'll give those of you who argue this that to some extent, but why would a bunch of white people want to be my color which is a reddish brown - the same reddish brown color that has caused so much ink and idiotic thought to flow - Why would these white people idealize themselves in this manner? Did they want to be this color? Why would white people worship Black-skinned Gods? And don't give me that crap about the color black represents "death". That's utter bullshit. Unfortunately, that white woman was spreading lies, lies that have been spread for centuries in an attempt to cover the contributions of PEOPLE OF COLOR to the founding of civilization. Splitting Africa in half and calling Africans above the Sahara Caucausian and those below Negroid, are just stupid labels some European with a fucked up agenda came up with. African peoples are one. Their common link is their African-ness something the rest of the world just can't seem to comprehend. And this thing with negroid features....Take a look around Black America. We come in all colors, from Coal-black to bright yellow. All of us do not have broad flat noses, some have hook noses like the actor/dancer Gregory Hines, some of us have noses like Iman the model, some of us have Asian-like eyes, some of us have thin lips (In fact, I love my mother to death, but she has no lips. when i put lipstick on her lips I just laugh and laugh because she has very thin lips), some of us have fine curly hair, some of us have thick wooly hair, some of us have wavy and straight hair, some of us have green eyes, some of us have blue or hazel, or whatever. My point is for every depiction of physical characteristics you see in Ancient Egyptian art, i gurantee you can find a black person who can fit it exactly. See the problem is that when we say Egypt was "BLACK" we are only affirming that they were a people as varied in physical appearance as "BLACK" people in America. We are not defining them as Negroid, Caucausoid, or -oid anything. They were a people of color, just like me, and all the rest of us that have color. I am not racist. i just love truth and knowledge that's all. It is true that the Persians, the Romans, the Greeks, and everybody goddamn else had sexual relations with African men and women (no one evr said they had to be married -excuse my french-in order to fuck) and these relations more than likely produced the various phenotypes you see in Egypt's past and modern Egypt. And for all those scholars who keep holding up Cheop's blond-haired blue-eyed daughter as proof of a white Egypt, i'm sorry but look at actress/former Miss America Vanessa Williams. She identifies herself despite her light hair, skin, and blue eyes as a BLACK WOMAN. GGGAAAWWWDDDD! Why can't you people just be honest!!!The Creator knows the truth, and the truth will come to light and eventually set you free. Egypt was is and always will be African and to be African my friends is to be a person of COLOR!!!!And on a final sarcastic note -those of you who hate black people or people of color - STOP FUCKING TRYING TO GET A TAN THEN! STOP TRYING TO BECOME STEATOPYGIC WHICH FOR YOUR DUMB ASSES MEANS - TO HAVE A BIG ASS- STOP TRYING TO PUMP YOUR LIPS UP WITH FAT FROM YOUR THIGHS!!!!PLEASE BECAUSE IF THERE IS ONE THING I HATE MORE THAN A LIAR IS A HYPOCRITE! I am a beautiful black woman of color and I just wish we all could get along and you know how we can accomplish this? KNOW WHO WE ARE-NOT WHAT YOU WANT US TO BE. KNOW THE TRUESTORY NOT HISTORY! MY BEAUTIFUL "BLACK" BROTHERS ANS SISTERS DON'T LET THEM CONTINUE TO LIE TO OUR CHILDREN. PLEASE TEACH THEM. PLEASE. For all of you who are like stupified by my anger, I can't help it. My mother is African-American and my father is Choctaw (native american). One side of me was beaten and robbed of history and the other beaten and robbed of land. So when you KKK people yell out GO BACK TO AFRICA, remember you are not indigenous to North America NOR AFRICA FOR THAT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sophia "Wisdom"
Age: 2?, Atlanta , Ga USA - Thursday, November 19, 1998 at 19:15:58 (EST)

All I know is that my last name is Clegg and It's a very nice last name. Be very proud if it's your lastr name!

liz clegg <liz318@juno.com>
Age: 12, Charlotte, NC USA - Sunday, November 15, 1998 at 22:46:00 (EST)

I think this site is great. My family will be visiting it often.

Eleanor Clegg
Atlanta, GA USA - Sunday, November 15, 1998 at 10:21:09 (EST)

To the "Egyptian" of Arab descent. Take a look at the United States as a model. Are all the folks in the countryside Native American? The early "colonist" were much less than an "invading army" and that was a mere 300 years ago and a much greater distance from the european shores. I think with all the other evidence from reliable sources, you should re-think your position. Prior to the 7th century, the Arab population in "Egypt," which was minimal, was contained mostly to the north.(lower Egypt)

Shabaka Tecumseh
USA - Sunday, November 15, 1998 at 10:13:20 (EST)

THIS LAST MESSAGE IS CORRECT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE NEGRO LOOK AT THE WALL PAINTINGS YOU DONT SEE A STUPID WHITE MAN YOU SEE A BLACK MAN YOU STUPID ARABS YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT EGYPT LIKE THE NEGOES DO YOU YOU ARABS ARE BIG LIARS YOU HAVE TO NO PROOF YOU IDIOTS THOUGHT KARNAK WAS A GOD INSTEAD OF A CITY SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU AND THE WHITEMAN KNOWS

PHAROAH
USA - Saturday, November 14, 1998 at 09:24:49 (EST)

The following was posted by "a person from egypt," and I would like this "person" to respond to my questions: " When you take a country, you don't go for the little towns, you go after THE BIG CITIES.How can the armies of several thousand in which a insignfiicant number of them could possibly wash the entire country with their genes? THIS IS MATHMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE." If the invasions only took place in the "big cities," how did the entire country become Arabized. In every country in the world, those who have remained in the countryside are the folklorists and the keepers of the history and traditions. If these people are decendants of such a great civilization, how did it get eradicated? I have traveled to Egypt many times, and the Arabs there tell me they are decendents, yet they know little or nothing about their history, except what they learn in school. What I am asking is how can a people remain on the land for all these centuries, yet have no recollection of their ancient history. The Nubians still know their ancient history and so do the Ethiopeans. What happened in Egypt that all the so-called "descendents" suffer amnesia? Is it because they are not really descendents after all?

Karen C. Aboiralor
Age: ?, USA - Saturday, November 14, 1998 at 02:55:49 (EST)

The EGYPTIANS WERE OBVIOUSLY CAUCASIAN LIKE. YOU IDIOTS DON'T WANT TO REASON WITH THE EGYPTIAN PAINTINGS!!! THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE NEVER BLACKS!!!!!!

ssss
USA - Saturday, November 14, 1998 at 01:58:06 (EST)

You are beliving a lie that is perpetuated by Anti white afro centrists. and yes I HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE WORLD AGAINST YOUR CLAIMS. you haven't had any education on the mathmatic figures of invaders, their locations and who they intermarried, at what time intervals so you're not listening to reason. #1 all the invading armies invaded the large cities, not the countryside where most egyptians lived past and present. This is a historical fact in any agricultural society. #2 When a country is invaded the whole country is NOT washed by intermarrage. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MYTH. Intermarrige is limited to the elite families as the reminices of the turco-circassians suggest. This happened in the major northern cities, not the countryside. When you take a country, you don't go for the little towns, you go after THE BIG CITIES.How can the armies of several thousand in which a insignfiicant number of them could possibly wash the entire country with their genes? THIS IS MATHMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. #4 The egyptians language is of Afro-Asian subfamily called Copt. This is a Semetic branch of language closely related to Hebrew and Assyrian. How? First of all Egyptian is written RIGHT TO LEFT JUST LIKE THE OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES. Many words are the EXACT SAME OR VERY SIMILAR to Assyrian, Hebrew and even Arabic which never even arrived in Arabia untill later on. The SENTENCE SRUCTURE OF EGYPTIAN IS RELATIVELY THE *SAME* AS THE OTHER SEMETIC LANGUAGES...VOWEL SOUNDS ARE OCASSIONALLY LEFT OUT...THESE ARE MAJOR DEFINING TRAITS OF A SEMETIC LANGUAGE!!! BLACK AFRICAN LANGUAGES DON'T SHOW THIS AT ALL. IN FACT THEY COULDN'T EVEN WRITE. The Egyptian were never invaded at this point in which they establised language. THEY OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM THE EAST...***CASE CLOSED*** #5 You claim that Nubians are pure Egyptians...Tell me do you know ANY?!!! They NEVER SPOKE EGYPTIAN, THEY SPOKE NUBIAN!! THIS IS A FACT. They don't look Egyptian let alone speak it! THIS IS FACT! #6 You complain about white men not wanting you to discover your roots. OPEN YOUR EYES. The ONLY PLACE whos talking black vs white is in America. No such thing in Egypt! We got sick of invaders and kicked the English out and all the foreigners over and over again but nobody is calling white people the devil or any other of that bull crap. Egyptians have always embraced Greece. They are our brothers. We love them and Afro-centric racism movements won't create this racist tension you so desire. Black vs White battles have no place outside of the U.S. so keep your racist tendencies AT HOME. #7 I went to Egypt last summer and saw all the statues in the Cairo Museam. The Egyptians have these racial features: long noses, many hooked...skin tone that ranged from white to olive to dark brown, straight to curly hair, thin and moderate lips Now i saw Nubian portriats: broad noses, pitched black skin, full lips in almost every case, coarse hair That is the characteristics of a negro. The typical ancient egyptian had long noses, thin to moderate lips and a bronze complexion with long hair (some shaved and wore wigs because of the heat). The egyptians were lighter. Do you possibly think that the HOT SUN OF THE DESERT has no impact on non-black skin?!! THE EGYPTIANS FOR THE MOST PART SHOW NON-NEGROID FEATURES!!!! #8 you misunderstand Nubians even more. The Nubians DID MIGRATE TO BE CALLED NUBIANS. but BECAUSE they live in Egypt we call them EGYPTIANS!! This doesn't mean they are Egyptians. Like when blacks were enslaved in the USA. They could be called Americans but they were different by looks and language. We don't have a race problem in Egypt, lets keep this disease away from the rest of the world. #9 Kemit is Egypt. Kemit means black Nile soil...the SOIL WHICH GAVE LIFE TO THE COUNTRY. Stop looking at things so racially and look logically my friend. We Egyptians were never black Negros, you won't know my hertitage unless you open your eyes to the truth and learn from lingustics and rational thinking to arrive at level conclusions. There are many egyptians who are part african(negro) but they have ansestors from Sudan and Ethiopia. If you want to know how a ancient (Kemitic) Egyptian looks like go to the Egyptian countryside or take a look at me. peace

a person from egypt
USA - Saturday, November 14, 1998 at 01:55:52 (EST)

THIS JUST IN!!!!! WE'VE JUST GOT WORD FROM THE CAIRO MELANIN TEST THAT THE EGYPTIAN PHAROAHS OF ROYALTY HAD DEEP AMOUNTS OF MELANIN WHICH MEANS THERE SKIN WAS EITHER BROWN OR BLACK AND I'VE EXAMINED THE TOMB WALLS AND IF YOU SEE YOU SEE NEGROS BLACK BROWN NEGOS FIELDIN CAUCASIAN AND ARAB SLAVES!!!!! THEY HAD NEGRO FEATURES AND HAD A NEGRO KEMETIC LAND OF BLACK PEOPLE WAY OF LIFE TO BAD THE ARABS AND WHITEY'S COULDNT COVER IT UP TOO BAD SUCKERS

PHAROAH
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 18:12:39 (EST)

FROM WHAT IVE SEEN FROM THE PREVIOUS LETTERS I to must send my appologies in a book I read I discovered the negro characteristics and SEMETICS& ARABS NEVER SEEN EGYPT TILL THE 7TH CENTURY A.D I shall never be the same again

A person from Egypt
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 18:07:07 (EST)

WELL PEOPLE I DISCOVERED FOR MY SELF THAT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE NEGRO IM SORRY FOR BEING SUCH AN IDIOT THEY WERE NEGO NEVER ARAB OR CAUCASIAN NEGROS EVERY WHERE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE

EGYPTIAN NEVER BLACK
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 18:03:51 (EST)

WELL PEOPLE I DISCOVERED FOR MY SELF THAT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE NEGRO IM SORRY FOR BEING SUCH AN IDIOT THEY WERE NEGO NEVER ARAB OR CAUCASIAN NEGROS EVERY WHERE FORGIVE MY IGNORABCE

EGYPTIAN NEVER BLACK
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 18:03:33 (EST)

STOP RE-WRITING HISTORY!!!!YOU ARE NOT EGYPTIANS AND EGYPTIANS WERE NEVER BLACK!!! OPEN YOUR EYES AND LEARN EGYPT FROM THE EGYPTIANS NOT FROM AFROCENTRISTS WHO CONTINUE TO LIE!!!

EGYPTIAN NEVER BLACK
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 00:30:32 (EST)

EGYPTIANS WERE NEVER NEGRO AND I CAN PROOVE IT!!!KEMET MEANS BLACK LAND BECAUSE OF THE FAMED RICH NILE SOIL, EGYPTIANS WERE *NEVER* NEGROS!!!!!!!! The country was named after the SOIL THAT GAVE THEM LIFE AND A CIVILIZATION NOT AFTER SKIN COLOR!! THEY WEREn'T BLACK NEGROS!!!!! STOP RE-WRITING HISTORY!!!!

A person from Egypt
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 00:11:31 (EST)

A person from Egypt
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 00:11:12 (EST)

The ancient Egyptian Were never Negro: Like the Egyptians of today, skin color ranged from white to dark brown. Hair ranged from straight to curly. EGYPTIANS DIDN'T WALK AROUND WITH AFROS!!!!!!! Egyptians are purer in race than people afrocentrists would want to admit. when invaders intermarried, only a small percent in the main northern cities had greeks, romans or arabs in their families. NOBODY TRIES TO CONQUER THE COUNTRYSIDE( WHERE MOST EGYPTIANS PAST AND PRESENT LIVE). We EGYPTIANS are not Blacks, there are MANY paintings to proove this. If you evaluate the paintings you will find the Egyptians past and present have caucasian features. This doesn't mean they're European, but they are surely not Negros either. The only ones anything of this should matter to is to Egyptians, not Afro-Americans.

A person from Egypt
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 00:08:04 (EST)

A person from Egypt
USA - Thursday, November 12, 1998 at 00:07:09 (EST)

LOVE THE WORK!

ERIC JONES <FATHERALLAH@YAHOO.COM.>
Age: 23, ATLANTA, GA. USA - Wednesday, November 11, 1998 at 18:47:14 (EST)

GOD IS GOOD AND I LOVE BLACK EGYPT

PHAROAH
USA - Friday, October 30, 1998 at 16:02:26 (EST)

Iwould like info on to obtain some tapes or books.

Blair lamonte Daniels III <dan4u@iname.com>
Age: 30ish, PDX, Or USA - Wednesday, October 28, 1998 at 23:22:41 (EST)

My interest in our history has continued to grow. It seems that we have been denied so much about "who we are," that many of us (people of African-Heritage) have begin to assume that there is nothing. Your work continues to keep the mind from shrinking to the point that even when we discover how rich our past is, we find it hard, if not impossible to believe it. The system has been working so hard to keep us from discovering the great lies that have been told and are continuing to be perserved through looking at the world only throuth European eyes (lies). It would not be so bad and possibly forgiving, if there we're not such "collusions" to keep us from learning the truth. Today I discovered the true stroy behind the Statue of Liberty-that the women was originally a "black women," and represented the pivotal role black soldiers played in winning the Civil War. The documentation was so factual. Anyhow, please continue to counter the historical lies that keep so many people of all backgrounds, cultures and races ignorant of their past and enslaved to only Eurocentric perspectives. If anyone believes that this arrangement is not about controlling minds and destinies, they have been poorly mislead. Continue your work. We need to continue working to free the countless minds from the mental slavery that continues to keep us from awakening from the deep slumber. May the Blessing from above continue to fall upon your paths and guide you. Derrick

Derrick L. Williams <gid4you@aol.com>
Age: 50, San Antonio, Tx USA - Wednesday, October 28, 1998 at 00:34:25 (EST)

It truly kills me for b people to not base there assumptions without facts. Fact 1 is that those paintings look like the color of a COLORED people. Fact 2 is that on Ramses III tomb he shows the four types of man and he shows the Egyptian looking any other African in africa. Plese perform more verbal acrobatics. I really enjoy your frustrations. You always show your true colors, or should I say lack there of.

Alvin Tousant <rectemp3@rw.com>
Age: 26, new york, ny USA - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 20:16:18 (EST)

I am a senior in high school and I have just recently started learning alot of things about egypt. I for one am very proud of african history. Being young and being black is very very hard. I am not talking about hard as far as violence or crime but just hard "being". I as well as my peers have alot of anxiety and stress put on us by societies fears,prejuduces, and expectations. I always hear about black people saying this and that about our past and everything but why is it nobody's taking actions to have african history taught in schools? At my school, we have black history courses but they are not required. I strongly belive that african american history should be a requierd class because african american history is american history! and thats what really makes me mad is that alot of people, even black people, know little or nothing about Africas past and the greatness that was Africas past. I am 17 and if I had the means I would make a change to all I have spoken. but that is very unlikely without the aid of a more wise and experianced adult. is there anyone who can help my people? I so get in contact with me.

x <X_danho@animalhouse.com>
Age: 17, denver, co USA - Monday, October 26, 1998 at 16:05:55 (EST)

I'm a history major My dilemma, If in all your studies you keep finding the pull between dominance and suppine, how do serious scholars continue to fund their truths when the HNIC mentality, with random violence leaves a person seemingly undesirable by the society at large when his overall objective is to be able to provide for himself before beginning a family under unhappy circumstances. Trying to finish my master's and possibly my doctorate on the notion that young black Americans could feel a sense of belonging if the society agree to put a Blackman face on some form of currency, not a rable-rouser by someone on the likes of a Benjamin Banneker to show a Pact,acknowledging the flaw of slavery, the redemption of lost souls, and link to save this country from the babylon,rome malaisse. If you can help email me please, JSC

Jeffrey S. Collins <BigBuddy@jazzandjava.com>
Age: 35, Hammond, IN USA - Monday, October 26, 1998 at 12:34:46 (EST)

Hello Legrand, I discovered you site. It looks very interesting. My little boy, Christopher, has a copy of you tape and really enjoyed watching it. When we got to this site he said "Now, this looks like a real Egyptian." Keep up the good work. Regars, Philip and the family, including Christopher.

Philip Nelson Lee <cwble@webtv.net>
USA - Sunday, October 25, 1998 at 10:23:09 (EST)

IM SORRY I FOUND OUT I WAS WRONG THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS REALLY WERE BLACK NEGROES I AND THE ARAB NATION FEEL A DISGRACE PLEASE FORGIVE MY SAVAGE LIKELY HOOD

true egyptian
USA - Friday, October 23, 1998 at 16:32:23 (EDT)

The Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations Presents: The 1998 Annual Western Region Kemetic Studies Conference - "BUILDING FOR ETERNITY: Raising the Pillar - Organizing for the Future" Dedicated to the memory of Dr. John Henrik Clarke - Hosted by the ASCAC Western Region and Wo'se Community Church - December 4-6, 1998 - Oakland, CA - Registration Fees: Members: $25.00 - Non-Members: $30.00 - Elders/Students: $15.00 - Vendors (members): $50.00 - Vendors (non-members): $65.00 - Nzinga R. Heru, International President - Naeem Deskins, Western Region President - For further information, please contact (510) 658-5966 - Kcamm23063@aol.com - Vendors: Please contact (510) 653-9152

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063@AOL.COM>
Oakland, CA USA - Thursday, October 15, 1998 at 03:52:37 (EDT)

great newsletter;great website.

hotep
USA - Tuesday, October 13, 1998 at 11:57:40 (EDT)

I decided to pull some information off of the internet and subsequently remembered the name of the slave who traveled with Lewis and Clark. His name was York and sad for the sake of history, there isn't a whole lot about him because as we all know, white americans did not keep detailed records of blacks after slavery (kept greate sales records prior to emancipation though!) and our importance in history is yet to be uncovered.

Andrea Miller <AMiller@gglaw.com>
Age: 38, San Francisco, Cr@gglaw.com">AMiller@gglaw.com>
Age: 38, San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, October 12, 1998 at 12:09:18 (EDT)

To Mr.Clegg It would mean very much if you would e mail me corncerning the related topics and the future release of "EGYPT HISTORY" closed to being famed huger than "ROOTS" its to be mwa's production email me soon as possible you are needed in this area

Gerald Colbert <Pharaoh54@hotmail.com>
Hartford , Ct USA - Saturday, October 10, 1998 at 12:08:55 (EDT)

I hate you arabs you arent Egyptian your just grezzy fuk wanna bees we the blacks are the true egyptians and kushites you arabs never saw the inside of egypt till the 7th century go to help you stinkin arabs because of you us negros lost are home in egypt thanks alot for destroying are KEMETIC religion OF WHICH YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND and Mr Clegg keep up the good work you are a no doubt decendent of an egyptian pharaoh

mekaure <pharoah53@hotmail.com>
Age: 44, ####, ### USA - Saturday, October 10, 1998 at 12:04:23 (EDT)

mekaure <pharoah53@hotmail.com>
Age: 44, ####, ### USA - Saturday, October 10, 1998 at 12:02:16 (EDT)

i would like to recommend to all scholars, black and white, to review volumes 1 & 2 of E.A.WALLIS BUDGE "OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION". therein he states, a thousand times over, the cultural unity of egypt and black africa. he also addresses the so called reddish-brown, or reddish complexion of the egyptians by showing that the use of red coloring is widespread throughout africa! white scholars have always known that the egyptians were black, and they still do, despite what they may want us to think!

muenda <muenda@hotmail.com>
Age: 37, bellevue, wa USA - Friday, October 09, 1998 at 15:47:38 (EDT)

NEE INFO ON THE REISNER EXPEDITION AT NAPATA. KING TIAKAGUA. FROM THE BOOK FROM SUPERMAN TO A ROGERS. 1911 UNIVERSAL RACES CONGRESS IN LONDON ORGANIZED BY GUSTAR SPILLER. CHICAGO EVENING POST OF OCT 11,1916 -EDITORIAL SPEAKING OF DISCOVERIES MADE BY DR.REISNER OF HARVARD AT NAPATA

FLANJET <FLANJET@AOL.COM>
Age: 22, MIAMI, FL USA - Wednesday, October 07, 1998 at 03:48:25 (EDT)

"All history is BLACK history, because we all came from a BLACK man and a BLACK woman!"

karanga kush Ishmael <karangakush@hotmail.com>
Age: 26, hattiesburg, ms USA - Monday, October 05, 1998 at 21:25:58 (EDT)

"All history is BLACK history, because we all came from a BLACK man and a BLACK women!"

karanga kush Ishmael <karangakush@hotmail.com>
Age: 26, hattiesburg, ms USA - Monday, October 05, 1998 at 21:25:16 (EDT)

unable to access all the information please send whatever information avalible to my e-mail address bc279@city.ac.uk pleased to see a black web site if you have the addresses for any others I would be pleased to her from you. There is very little information for the 1.5 million black people in the UK keep up the good work !

Dev <bc279@city.ac.uk>
London, UK - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 12:50:26 (EDT)

CLEGG!!!!!!!!!!! Bloody black bastard!!!!

Paddy <go away>
shitville, Iran - Friday, September 25, 1998 at 13:40:23 (EDT)

I used to think black people were dirty but now i know they are

adam chafe <replecanthead@usa.net>
Age: 15, st. john's, nfld canada - Friday, September 25, 1998 at 12:18:14 (EDT)

Hi! I am an 18 yr old college student & I'm creating a website focused on my research of different magazines, books, newspaper articles, maps, music, and so forth. The topic of my research is different scientific arguements on the race of the first human beings, if you know of any articles or sites where i can get more information please feel free to e-mail me asap at NiaKDavis@aol.com. Iwould also like to be added to your mailing list. Thank you

Nia Kiburi-Davis <NiaKDavis@aol.com>
Age: 18, San Diego, CA USA - Tuesday, September 22, 1998 at 17:24:48 (EDT)

blessed thee this day for the ancestors have returned unto us finally have ive seen the negro pharoah of which i remember and our highness nefertiti blessed be thee for now i have seen hope for our people you are a true child of the nile you have shown our roots back to our divine palace of the old world,, for I have began a new mini series on the black egyptians and you as my brother i would like you to take part in this please write me back when you have the chance

Gerald Colbert <pharoah53@hotmail.com>
Age: 18, hartford, ct USA - Saturday, September 19, 1998 at 10:04:26 (EDT)

keep up your good work looking up the Clegg"s there are some Clegg's right here in west plains, and other towns here in the state of Missouri, they maybe family, thank you for your time. lois koon

Lois Koon <TeddyBear@townsqr.com>
Age: 47, West Plains, Mo. USA - Thursday, September 17, 1998 at 14:44:16 (EDT)

Please add my name to mailing list for newsletter. Thanks.

Nzinga Ratibisha Heru <Queen@ASCAC.ORG>
Los Angeles,, CA USA - Wednesday, September 16, 1998 at 17:42:05 (EDT)

To comment on Charles' statement about hurricanes. I must laugh because I have thought the same thing. All hurricanes do begin as simple storms in W. Africa, then they progess westward. There may be something to it all. It is as if mother is angry and hurls her shoe at the aggressor who destroyed her children. Why don't hurricanes have African names?? Atleast I know now that I am not crazy. GOOD OBSERVATION CHARLES YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH!!!!!

Esther79 <Esther79aol.com>
USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:28:37 (EDT)

HI MY NAME IS RANMA ACO I WOULD REALY LIKE IT IF SO0MEONE COULD PLEASE SEND ME INFO ON ARKHENATON THANX RANMA ACO

RANMA ACO <RANMA_ACO@YAHOO.COM>
Age: 14, ADELAIDE, SC USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:27:32 (EDT)

as we grow into the understanding of who we are as afrikans in america and throu ghout the world we must break the mental chains of oppression. to have a site wh ere we can share our views is a good thing.ase! i pray that while we may not agree on everything we can aree that we are owed re parations. as a lost nation in america we have been denied human rights from the beginning up until today. we have bought in to what the 13th and 14th admendments have said. remember that dred scot has not been ov er turned. remember that willie lynch is still in effect/affect. overall my greatest prayer is that on the whole we get past our differences and come together to achieve a better tomorrow for our children so that they will no t still be fighting this same battle 20..30..50..100..150years down the road.

namusoke <namusoke@yahoo.com>
Age: 39, Houston, TX USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:26:16 (EDT)

Enjoy the emails you send! Keep up the good work in the struggle. Wondering if you have any sources for videos by Rev Ishaka Musa Barashango. I have found so urces for his books; but need access to videos for our study group. Again, thank you.

Folami <Folami@msn.com>
TX USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:24:17 (EDT)

Just a small note. The word "pygmy" is considered a derogatory term by those small Afrikans. It came from the British word "piglet," which is what the British called them when they first saw them. They have different names, based on the region they are in: Twa, Baka, Hutu, Khoi Khoi, Subenetos, Negritos, Grimaldes, etc. They are the living descendents of the first homo sapien sapien. Their remains have been found all over the world.

Kwaku Person-Lynn <Kwakupl@aol.com>
USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:50:39 (EDT)

I am happy to have stumbled upon this site.I like reading truthful history.We have been reading a one sided story of history(eurocentrics), and it is time to hear the truth.It's funny to read the negative responses from some people.They can't accept this truthfull side of history, or anything dealing with positive black history,(because of their supremecy I guess. I am waiting to read about Abu Abakari II, and the story of his travels. My first knowledge on him came from Ivan Van Sertima. I have been hooked ever since.I am also interested in the "pygmies in the artic" subject.Can you forward me any materials on the two? Thank you... Carl J Allen carlal@lsil.com

carl allen <carlal@lsil.com>
Age: 33, milpitas, ca USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:49:24 (EDT)

to kwaku person-lynn first i want to say that i am originally came from the egypt-nuba. for us it is no question that the people of ancient egypt was black i think if you travel to egypt and look in the faces of the people there is no doubt, also nowadays the people in south-egypt are very dark or black. my father was born in sudan (how wondering, he is colored), my mother comes from germay, so i am a classical whitewashed, but my heart belongs to egypt. Sometimes i cannot understand these discussions about the color. i think many afro-amerikans have an identity-problem. Why do the people (black and white) look to egypt, ethiopia or palestine. Everyone claims the history of this countries for their own political goals. Why are the people proud of a history that they doesn't own. The history of egypt belongs to the egyptians especially the poor people..the fellahin, the saidi and the nuba, these people and noone els are the egypts. please send a mail under following adress darwish@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de

darwish <darwish@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de>
darmstadt, Germany - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:46:50 (EDT)

It is well documented that the Egyptians "THEMSELVES" idealized their facial features and skin colour for the art on temples and temple walls. If I am not mistaken, it was only Akenaton IV who refused to be "idealized" when portrayed in Egyptian Art. Many civilizations exist with an "idealized" set of preferred features and colour. How many times have we heard that we are not the "right" colour, size, shape, ect.? This "conspiracy" occurs all over the world.

Margaux Grisé
USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:45:18 (EDT)

you have some interesting viewpoints about the origin of the ancient egypt. for me as an Egyptian i can say it is not relevant whether the people are black or white, brown yellow, red etc. in my family you can find all kinds of colors. this fact is what maybe other people should learn from the egyptian culture, to make no difference between the color. Especially the discussions about difference between black or white remember me as a discussion of zero and one. this is not the real world, this is the world of mtv and the capitalism system. salam darwish

mustafa mostafa-darwish <darwish@ifs.tu-darmstadt.de>
Age: 27, darmstadt, Germany - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 09:44:10 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that neither the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and still spoke their original West African language. However, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. The acceptance is selective because, there are some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it correlate with the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:53:44 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that neither the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and still spoke their original West African language. However, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. The acceptance is selective because, there are some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it corelate to the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:52:37 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that neither the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and still spoke their original West African language. However, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. The acceptance is selective because, there some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it corelate to the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:50:01 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that neither the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and still spoke their original West African language. However, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. I acceptance is selective because, there some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it corelate to the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:47:59 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that neither the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the youth Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and Still spoke their original West African language, however, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. I acceptance is selective because, there some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it corelate to the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:45:57 (EDT)

My concerns are for the directed toward the phenomenon of the so-called ebonics issue. It seems that the controversy over poor diction and grammar demonstrated in the use of the english language has been mistook for some sort of accent applied to poorly educated black youth in the United States. The reason being could be perhaps some individuals feel that the school system nor the parents of the poorly educated are responsible for this problem. Perhaps I could have more understanding of Dr. Smith's argument for ebonics if the youth Black Americans refered to had recently arrived to the United states and Still spoke their original West African language, however, this is not the case. Dr. Smith is refering to a people, who for the most part have never been to any part of Africa, do not speak any other language besides english, and are not the children of parents who have recently arrived to the United States. Question: What has ebonics to submit to the fact that there are, and have been, many Black Americans who do(did) not need nor use(used) ebonics to communicate a verbal message. Moreover, I will submit to you that ebonics is a form of speech that has been tolerated to the point of selected acceptance. I acceptance is selective because, there some of us who know that we are masters of our own selves and if there is anything we choose to master, we will master--from walking to language to whatever. The validaty to the Dr.'s claim is questionable and if there is any empiracle evidence in support of this claim, does it corelate to the short-comings of the K-12 education system. Please understand, that I am not merely disagreeing with Dr. Smith's position for the sake of typing, but many people would like to see another reason to disallow Black Americans rightfully proper and accurate education. I, too, have tutored children in the use of correct diction and grammar, with much success, without the hearing of or acceptance of ebonics in any way, shape, or form. In closing, I ask that anyone associated the the furthering of this con game, to discontinue contributing to the misgivings of Black Americans, and EDUCATE them...Not DECEIVE them. OUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE!!!

michael mcglockton
Age: 27, san antonio, tx USA - Wednesday, June 17, 1998 at 14:43:55 (EDT)

Congratulations and peace to my beautiful black brothers and sisters. We are obviously at mental war with the cave dwellers whose origin is the Caucasis Mountains (that is why they are called CAUCASIAN). This is not referring to all white people in that manner, just those that have not evolved from the mindless animalistic racist thought patterns of the cave dweller. There are many decent white people but I am of the opinion that there are not enough of them to put an end to the mass murderers that currently control the planet. That task will be ours now and forever! Modern materialism is a formidable foe! The United Snakes of America currently imposes sanctions on over 73 countries around the world. These 73 countries comprise over one half the worlds population. The object is to keep them down so the United States can keep its twisted and evil standard of living etc. Think deply my black people. Think of ways to end all the injustices forced upon the world by this white controlled system of injustice. My final coment are to the person that wrote "stop re-writing history"...(and I fully agree with the brother that noted these people writing the dribble are not Egyptian but are making fools of themselves pretending to be). The racist white pretender is assuming that the Egyptian people are stupid because his/her tiny racist brain just works like that. They said Egyptians were always tan, olive, or white. Which one is it???? Does their being all three make any sense? When you say a person is olive color you make yourself into a fool.... olives are either very green or very very BLACK. Do you mean you are a green person since you say the Egyptians were not Black? ABSOLUTE INSANITY FROM A LUNATIC! I think the comment about the afros sums up all my points. This person probably wishes he had an afro. More so he probably wishes he had melanin. All praise to you my black brothers and sisters! In the word of the honorable Marcus Garvey...be black, buy black, think black and all else will take care of itself.

Piankhi Khufu
Age: 24, Houston, TX. USA - Tuesday, June 16, 1998 at 21:22:22 (EDT)

Dear (BLACK) brothers and sisters. Don't be fooled...the barbaric savages claiming to be Egyptian and making anti-Black comments on these pages are not Egyptians at all. It was probably some white trailer trash individual doing what their savage barbaric sub-human animal mind does best....try to cause strife and division for the purposes of white supremacy. These savages don't have the brains of an ICE CUBE! We are of the great and magnificent Black race (as were our true BLACK ancient Egyptian ancestors). There is nothing that can change that fact! Not even some savage ancestor of a cave boy cannibal that was drinking the blood from the skulls of their conquered dead while our ancestors were embracing the banks of the Nile and building libraries the size of cities. The present day white can't even develop a working system of teaching even themselves (they are too busy building destructive weapons and various methods of killing aand making money . The Jewish contolled media on the other hand is scientifically developing the Jewish Jerry Springer Show. This is not to denegrade all Jews...but we must give credit to those individual Jews for their barbaric depictions of all people but their own. People (savage things) like the one making denials about Blacks being Egyptians have no place in history except for the history of murder, rape, oppression, racism and the like. What does it matter to them what we think about ourselves? The answer is that it matters a great deal. The battle is won and lost every day simply on what we as Black people think of ourselves. White racist barbaric savage trailer trash savages opinions don't matter at all. We just give them power by thinking they matter. They are only ten percent of the population (and drpooing fast).However....we are coming to our great knowledge of ourselves and they know once that happens in mass.....the game is all over and white (trailer trash) supremacy will end that very same day. My complete respect and admiration to Mr. Clegg of the Clegg Series. I honor him as one our true Black scholars and historians. Keep up the work all of you sholarly Blacks along with Mr. Clegg. We support you. We love you. Keep the faith. HOTEP

Thutmos Turner
Age: 36, Anaheim, CA USA - Thursday, June 11, 1998 at 20:06:33 (EDT)

Too much angry. I hope your tapes unlike many white male dominated interpretations are more acurate instead of self-seeking. Any explanation as to how Black people became so base (blackmen in particular) Was this a result of direct disobedience or was it pure destiny. I speak as one who has observed and experinced,not as one who has been brainwashed by this western society.

Valex
Age: n/a, PO Box 208 Blacklick 43004, oh USA - Wednesday, June 10, 1998 at 12:19:43 (EDT)

There is so much overwhelming evidence of the people of Kemet. For one, look at the early Pharaohs. No other race on the face of the earth has ever had such distinct facial features as theirs except Africans. Akhenaten is about the best example. Khephren is another good example also, Menes, Ramses, and more. These are without a doubt features of black people. There is a book out that shows paintings of different' races of people along with heirogliphics depicting what was said. The Egyptians showed in the painting that they classified themselves to be most like Africans. They also drew pictures depicting what Semitics and other groups looked like. I can't understand why there is such a controversy over this one country. Obviously, there is alot at stake. Whites feel that blacks just want to claim good history. But whites have a lot at stake if proven wrong on this subject. For many years they spewed lies about how great their ancestors were and how non-white people of the world were sub-human. This attitude justified the type of racism and cruel treatment of non-white people for centuries. How stupid can anyone be to think that all of the entire continent of Africa has always been populated by only black people BUT somehow JUST the country of Egypt was white (or some other race) GIVE ME A BREAK! And to you modern Egyptians; I don't think you know the true history of your own country. Ancient Egyptians looked nothing like you people. That country has been invaded sooooooooo many times by many different races of people. THE ORIGIN IS BLACK!

Juan
Age: 31, New York, NY USA - Tuesday, June 09, 1998 at 17:05:49 (EDT)

I NEED INFORMATION! Can someone PLEASE let me know how to get the 'Daughters of Isis' Video?? It's part two of the Clegg Series! Is it even out yet?? Email me with some info, please! ((((Clegg Series and Wu-Tang Forever!))))

X-odus <xodus75@hotmail.com>
Age: 21, Atlanta, GA USA - Tuesday, June 09, 1998 at 02:18:48 (EDT)

It's funny how these current Egyptians think that they were always light. They ignore the migration of the Nubians and the current color of today's Nubians. They ignore the fact that heavy Melanin content was found in the tombs, suggesting they could only be black! Since Nubians are the pure ancestors and Egyptians, they have nothing to say. Their skin color is purely black. And it's all also funny how Racist White Trash will come in here, claim we weren't Egyptian, and have no back up evidence! They make me laugh!!! We were always banana eating savages?? HA!! Where'd you go to school, redneck?? Racists R Us University? HAHAHA!! You're statement holds feather weight unless you have some evidence, boy! Are you jealous?? The Truth is being revealed with the Clegg Series and you doubters can cry and whine all you want because now WE ARE LEARNING THE HIDDEN TRUTH FROM OUR PAST!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! X-odus(Clegg Series and Wu-Tang Forever!!)

X-odus <xodus75@hotmail.com>
Age: 21, Atlanta, GA USA - Tuesday, June 09, 1998 at 02:14:51 (EDT)

Hello to whoever reads this. I'm looking for literature , I recently purchased two books 1 called "Afrikans and European Holidays:A Mental Genocyde Vol. II" All I can say is wow , I never heard half of what the book said b4 in my life. The other is called "Stolen Legacy"that I have yet to read . If any1 out there gets this give E-mail I tremendously interested in related topics.Peace and Luv to all.

Sebastian Balfazar <sebastian15@hotmail.com>
Age: 21, Morristown, Nj USA - Monday, June 08, 1998 at 22:41:33 (EDT)

To brothers and sisters, Reading the postings on the board one thing becomes abundantly clear. The one who oppose the idea of Blacks in ancient Egypt just kick rhetoric, the ones who embrass the idea list references, both primary and secondary soucrces. It seems scholars, non-racists, non-partisan scholarship is on the side of truth. So many lies were told to the world, especially oppressed peoples, for political reasons. Well, reckoning day is coming. All, you angry brothers come with evidence, scholarship, primary sources. The truth will set us all free. In the spirit of the 2.2 Million Man March.

Johnathan Harding <KHARD55295@AOL.COM>
Age: 30, Philly, PA USA - Monday, June 01, 1998 at 17:05:23 (EDT)

I would like to take this opportunity to commend the Clegg Series. To put forth the truth in this present world system of falsehood is something that should be supported by all true lovers of light. Like a Sailboat's journey across open ocean, which when taken and steered during the light of the glorious day's sun lead one to fortune and "real" estate but, in the black darkness of night cast the ship in directions uncertain leading only to doubt and skepticism, the wreakage of the wisdom of the Ancient Black Masters in the centuries following the closing of the Egyptian Mystery Schools in the third century of Christianity's development, and the usher- ing in of sixteen centuries of Dark Ages, has thrown all religion out of basic relation to true understanding and caused it to breed on endless presecution, hatred and ignorance. This fact more than anything else has blacken the record of man's heroic struggle towards spiritual understanding, culture, refinement and harmony. This present time in which we live, the most frightful of all historical ages of the past, owe its incidence directly to the decay, corruption and suppression of the Ancient Egyptian(Kemetic)philosophical knowledge and the loss of vision and virtue that would have attended its perpetuation. Certainly materialistic, racist, spiritually diluted Freemasonary, Judaism and Christianty could not have filled the void for it is nothing but poor moonlight. It is the job of African peoples thruout the disapora to understand this and recover the Ancient Wisdom. And by recovering the Ancient Wisdom we recover ourselves and again become world rulers.

Arthur <gilb4@juno.com>
Age: 45, Suffolk, Va USA - Monday, June 01, 1998 at 04:25:13 (EDT)

To the Arab folks. YOU ARE ARAB!!! YOU DID NOT GO INTO EGYPT UNTIL THE 7TH CENTURY A.D.!! BY THE WAY, MIZRAIM WAS OF HAM!!! YOU LOOK THE WAY YOU DO BECAUSE OF WHITE INTERMIX- ING(DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY BETTER, JUST PALER) MANY WEST AFRICANS ARE NOT INGINEOUS TO W. AFRICA. SHOW ME AN ARAB BELLY DANCER IN EGYPTIAN PAINTINGS. SHOW ME A SUBMISSIVE WOMAN WITH JUST HER EYES SHOWING. NO BABY, THEY WERE NAKED WELL OILED BLACK WOMEN, WHOM YOU LOVE TO TAKE (SOMETIMES BY FORCE). BESIDES OUR NAKED BREASTS WON'T BURN IN THE HOT SUN. DO YOU WORSHIP RA? AMON? NO. IT IS ALLAH, WHO WAS ONCE A FEMALE GODDESS,( A STONE FROM HEAVEN) HEE, HEE!!

Esther
Age: 26, Oh USA - Monday, June 01, 1998 at 00:55:56 (EDT)

hazem abul rahman....... Hey, badman why so much anger? be careful, we don't want you getting a heart attack !!!!! ...................IT HAS ONLY JUST BEGAN.....BE AFRAID !!!!!!!!!!!

Jae Ace <jj025@mdx.ac.uk>
London, England - Friday, May 29, 1998 at 10:20:00 (EDT)

Did I say Per Aa (Pharaoh) Seti in the previous post? It should be Per Aa Rameses Heq An, whom the scholars refer to as Rameses III. I'm glad I made the typo because it brings up another point for those interested in material evidence. The Temple of Seti is almost as significant with regard to this question as the tomb of Rameses, for the Seti's temple has one of the famous "King's Lists", providing the names of Kamitian Kings going back thousands of years. Anyone who has seen the statues, busts, etc. of indigenous Kamitian kings will automatically recognize their natural African features. Thus, Seti's temple: King's List; Rameses III tomb: the portrayal of the four races of people in full color. Anyone who would like to see a photograph of the mural in Rameses' tomb depicting the races can find it in Ivan Van Sertima's: Egypt Child of Africa, as well as Ivan Van Sertima's: Egypt Revisited. I cite these two sources because they are readily available at most African-centered bookstores. Of course, there are many other sources as well. Again, the King's List in Seti's tomb is indispensable with respect to the names/identities of many of the Kamitian Kings, and many of their images still exist carved in stone. Hetep.

RA
USA - Thursday, May 28, 1998 at 14:44:15 (EDT)

Anyone who views the full color mural from the tomb of the Per Aa (Pharaoh) Seti, will see that the Kamau (Egyptians) portrayed themselves as unmixed Black-skinned Africans with spiralled (wooly) hair, naturally formed ("broad") noses, and naturally formed ("full") lips. They also portray other racial groups who were in Kamit at the time: the Aamu (light-skinned foreigners) the Nahasi (Black-skinned Africans from the lands south of Kamit--namely Keneset/Nubia). These Black-skinned Africans (Nahasi) are of the same Black complexion as the Kamau (Egyptians). The last portrayal is that of the Tamahou (light-skinned foreigner/the Arab-type). There is much more evidence, however this mural showing the four races 1. Black-skinned Kamau 2. light-skinned Aamu (foreigner) 3. Black-skinned Nahasi (Kenesu/Nubian) 4. light-skinned Tamahou (foreigner/Arab-type) is unimpeachable. The difference between the Kamau and Kenesu (Egyptians and Nubians) racially, is the same as the difference between a Nigerian and a Ghanaian. Two different Black nations. That's the material evidence. Now, the authority by which Africans truly speak with respect to their origins is that of the Ancestral Community. We have always understood that when one dies they do not evaporate. The spirit survives. Reincarnation is reality. We are guided daily through communication with our Ancestresses and Ancestors. When THEY show us that THEY were and are the true Kamau and Kenesu, then the question is settled. Period. Many of us who have children are in reality allowing an Ancestral Spirit who was previously an inhabitant of Kamit or Keneset to return to Earth again to complete his or her spiritual development. Many of US lived in Kamit and Keneset in previous lifetimes, in West Africa in previous lifetimes, and now that our seed was removed to America, and we must reincarnate through our seed, then WE, who once lived and built Kamit and Keneset, are now living on Earth again in America. Every African in America is not descendant of Kamit and Keneset. Many Africans were in America over 10,000 years ago, and by the time slavery began on this continent, these African-Americans, were enslaved with the Africans who were brought over from West Africa. Still, an Arab "Egyptian" is absolutely no different than a Dutch South "African"--both are descendants of alien invaders of Africa, although there were some foreigners whom the Kamau allowed to settle in Kamit, just as some Native American communities allowed foreigners/europeans to settle on their land. There is no debate. Parents do not debate with children. Parents dictate to children. Maat (truth) has remained unequalled and unchanged since the time of RA. Let us not waste too much time then arguing what we already know is true. If you want to know truth, then call on Neter en Neteru en Shepsu (The Supreme Being, the Spirits, the Ancestresses and Ancestors). Let them show you the truth and if you need material evidence, then be receptive so they can show you where to go and collect it. Hetep.

RA
USA - Thursday, May 28, 1998 at 11:19:57 (EDT)

The young man claiming no Blacks have a history in Egypt is correct. Our history was in Kemet - long before his ancestors and other barbarians invaded our land and renamed it Egypt..

Karen Aboiralor <KCAMM23063>
CA USA - Thursday, May 28, 1998 at 03:51:27 (EDT)

Hey Egyptian brother in Baltimore. I read your email and I can understand your frustration. My roommate freshman in college was from United Arabic Emirates, he had an Indian friend who was as Black as coffee. But, I wouldn't claim his people as my own (I'm African-American). My question to you is this. What scholarly/academic stuff have you read on this issue? I think the Egyptians of today are mostly from Arab extraction. But that area has been conquered and invaded like other parts of the world. If I show you a photo of the average American today he may look like Brad Pitt, but if we go back a thousand years he may look like Tonto. All I'm saying brother is check out some scholars like Ivan Van Sertima, Cheka Anta Diop whose work is collaborated by scientists of all races. At the end of the day if the Egyptians weren't Black I'd still like to see the pyrimids. Peace, Johnathan.

Johnathan <khard55295@aol.com>
Age: 30, Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 22:59:29 (EDT)

I loved the realvideo. A month before I was tearing through every Akenaton, Amenotep III reference I could find on the net. You depiction of that critical visit by Queen Ty confirns what I have heard from African scholars: Akenaton screwed Kemet up badly. I still am holding on to a grain that he wasn't all bad. He had to have brought something lasting and positive to the people. So are yall saying he didn't hear from God and he tossed thousands of years of (evolving) tradition out errously? -Please email a brother.

Johnathan <khard55295@aol.com>
Age: 30, Philadelphia, PA USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 22:41:38 (EDT)

stop re writting history!! we egyptians are not black! we are egyptians! can you understand that? we were always tan, olive, or white. we didn't have full lips, afros, broad noses and heavy black african features. why you try steal country of egypt? wrong this is.

YOU"RE NOT EGYPTIANS! STOP REWRITTING MY COUNTRIES HISTORY !!
Age: 32, ny, ny Cairo , Egypt Cairo University - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 16:01:27 (EDT)

the egyptian who wrote below is correct. the only people who this should matter to are egyptians not balck americans, not black africans, not europeans or anyone else except the egyptians. i think if you look at them there are white ones and dark ones, but seldom or rarely black ones. I don't think they were black. They were different shades but they DIDN'T have AFROS and full lips and full noses. that you CANNOT DENY. in fact is what makes up race! you might call an indian black but race is alot more than just skin color. egypt matters only to egyptians, NOT to blacks or whites.

latanya jones <....>
35, MD USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 15:54:56 (EDT)

WE EGYPTIANS ARE AND*** NEVER** WERE BLACK!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!! we egyptians are and NEVER were blacks or a negro race. We came from the lands of the east of us...anywhere from central asia to yemen. WE ARE NOT NEGRO. if you look at the ancient writings you will find that we made a CLEAR differentiation between the egyptians and the BLACK Nubians. The black Nubians and Kush has Very black skin, full lips and broad noses. The EGYPTIANS had much thinner lips, white, olive, tan, or bronze skin. Hair types were straight(some where wigs), waves and curly. not all pharoahs and people pictured were egyptians. The only thing that came up the nile was nubia. a few black tribes probably mixed in with the people of the south...but that is really insignificant compared to the entire span of the country. Cleopatra was part egyptian (caucasian, but not european) and part Greek, persian, or some other european race. We WERE NOT BLACK. Afrocentrists continue to use our country as a tool for the suffering, depression and to motivate the black american race from their past. They are using egypt and saying they aan race. We WERE NOT BLACK. Afrocentrists continue to use our country as a tool for the suffering, depression and to motivate the black american race from their past. They are using egypt and saying they are egyptian when they were hauled up here from WEST africa long ago. Egypt in next to ISRAEL, ARABIA, LIBYA and Lebanon....American blacks aren't from this AREA. so they are still using us... We will never except their lies, gross distortion of history, and disgrace of the egyptian people. It is wrong to re write history for political purposes. I was on the bus the other day and a black asked me where i was rom. i said egypt, proudly. he said his ancestors were from egypt and i am not!!! What is this non sense?! !!! IT DOESN'T TAKE A NUCLEAR SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT YOU ARE USING US AND THAT WE AREN'T BLACK!!! H Abdul rahman

hazem abul rahman <hrahman1@aol.com>
Age: 19, batimore, md USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 15:31:02 (EDT)

WE EGYPTIANS ARE AND*** NEVER** WERE BLACK!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!! we egyptians are and NEVER were blacks or a negro race. We came from the lands of the east of us...anywhere from central asia to yemen. WE ARE NOT NEGRO. if you look at the ancient writings you will find that we made a CLEAR differentiation between the egyptians and the BLACK Nubians. The black Nubians and Kush has Very black skin, full lips and broad noses. The EGYPTIANS had much thinner lips, white, olive, tan, or bronze skin. Hair types were straight(some where wigs), waves and curly. not all pharoahs and people pictured were egyptians. The only thing that came up the nile was nubia. a few black tribes probably mixed in with the people of the south...but that is really insignificant compared to the entire span of the country. Cleopatra was part egyptian (caucasian, but not european) and part Greek, persian, or some other european race. We WERE NOT BLACK. Afrocentrists continue to use our country as a tool for the suffering, depression and to motivate the black american race from their past. They are using egypt and saying they are egyptian when they were hauled up here from WEST africa long ago. Egypt in next to ISRAEL, ARABIA, LIBYA and Lebanon....American blacks aren't from this AREA. so they are still using us... We will never except their lies, gross distortion of history, and disgrace of the egyptian people. It is wrong to re write history for political purposes. I was on the bus the other day and a black asked me where i was rom. i said egypt, proudly. he said his ancestors were from egypt and i am not!!! What is this non sense?! !!! IT DOESN'T TAKE A NUCLEAR SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT YOU ARE USING US AND THAT WE AREN'T BLACK!!! H Abdul rahman

hazem abul rahman <hrahman1@aol.com>
Age: 19, batimore, md USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 15:30:56 (EDT)

WE EGYPTIANS ARE AND*** NEVER** WERE BLACK!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!! we egyptians are and NEVER were blacks or a negro race. We came from the lands of the east of us...anywhere from central asia to yemen. WE ARE NOT NEGRO. if you look at the ancient writings you will find that we made a CLEAR differentiation between the egyptians and the BLACK Nubians. The black Nubians and Kush has Very black skin, full lips and broad noses. The EGYPTIANS had much thinner lips, white, olive, tan, or bronze skin. Hair types were straight(some where wigs), waves and curly. not all pharoahs and people pictured were egyptians. The only thing that came up the nile was nubia. a few black tribes probably mixed in with the people of the south...but that is really insignificant compared to the entire span of the country. Cleopatra was part egyptian (caucasian, but not european) and part Greek, persian, or some other european race. We WERE NOT BLACK. Afrocentrists continue to use our country as a tool for the suffering, depression and to motivate the black american race from their past. They are using egypt and saying they are egyptian when they were hauled up here from WEST africa long ago. Egypt in next to ISRAEL, ARABIA, LIBYA and Lebanon....American blacks aren't from this AREA. so they are still using us... We will never except their lies, gross distortion of history, and disgrace of the egyptian people. It is wrong to re write history for political purposes. I was on the bus the other day and a black asked me where i was rom. i said egypt, proudly. he said his ancestors were from egypt and i am not!!! What is this non sense?! !!! IT DOESN'T TAKE A NUCLEAR SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT YOU ARE USING US AND THAT WE AREN'T BLACK!!! H Abdul rahman

hazem abul rahman <hrahman1@aol.com>
Age: 19, batimore, md USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 15:30:48 (EDT)

WE EGYPTIANS ARE AND*** NEVER** WERE BLACK!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!! we egyptians are and NEVER were blacks or a negro race. We came from the lands of the east of us...anywhere from central asia to yemen. WE ARE NOT NEGRO. if you look at the ancient writings you will find that we made a CLEAR differentiation between the egyptians and the BLACK Nubians. The black Nubians and Kush has Very black skin, full lips and broad noses. The EGYPTIANS had much thinner lips, white, olive, tan, or bronze skin. Hair types were straight(some where wigs), waves and curly. not all pharoahs and people pictured were egyptians. The only thing that came up the nile was nubia. a few black tribes probably mixed in with the people of the south...but that is really insignificant compared to the entire span of the country. Cleopatra was part egyptian (caucasian, but not european) and part Greek, persian, or some other european race. We WERE NOT BLACK. Afrocentrists continue to use our country as a tool for the suffering, depression and to motivate the black american race from their past. They are using egypt and saying they are egyptian when they were hauled up here from WEST africa long ago. Egypt in next to ISRAEL, ARABIA, LIBYA and Lebanon....American blacks aren't from this AREA. so they are still using us... We will never except their lies, gross distortion of history, and disgrace of the egyptian people. It is wrong to re write history for political purposes. I was on the bus the other day and a black asked me where i was rom. i said egypt, proudly. he said his ancestors were from egypt and i am not!!! What is this non sense?! !!! IT DOESN'T TAKE A NUCLEAR SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT YOU ARE USING US AND THAT WE AREN'T BLACK!!! H Abdul rahman

hazem abul rahman <hrahman1@aol.com>
Age: 19, batimore, md USA - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 15:30:30 (EDT)

HELP !!!!! JUST DELETED THE , FEB. 1997 ISSUE. "WHAT 'RACE' WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS ?" Can you supply a reprint ASAP. Apart from that, have been following the page for a while, and it has proven to be a worthwhile expedition. NICE WORK. KEEP DOING IT.

Jae Ace <jj025@mdx.ac.uk>
Age: 35, LONDON, ENGLAND - Wednesday, May 27, 1998 at 12:08:55 (EDT)

Welcome Back, Hotep --- RA

A. Raheim (RA)
Age: 46, Baltimore, MD USA - Wednesday, May 20, 1998 at 10:34:40 (EDT)

It is very invigorating to be able to read of the glory that was africa. It leaves me with a sense of purpose which grows more intense it seems by the minute. However, it is regretable that as a student from Botswana, I have had to come all these thousands of miles to england to learn my history. As a pupil in primary school all I really knew about was Vasco De Gama, Francis Drake, etc and how great they were. So, the issue is this... Africans abroad are enlightened and this excites me, but what about the Africans at home? The west keeps the African at home under its diabolical yolk with the knowledge that if we were to rise up mentally their world would cease to exist as they know it. Please come to our rescue, it is a matter of life and death for the African race... Gods' chosen.

thabang segola <thabang@hotmail.com>
Age: 27, birmingham, england - Tuesday, May 19, 1998 at 13:17:12 (EDT)

To Kevin who posted on May 9, 1998: The truth hurts, and it cut through you like a M.F.! Peace, and I hope you get over your shock and pain very soon.

Bobbi
USA - Wednesday, May 13, 1998 at 08:11:55 (EDT)

France - Saturday, May 09, 1998 at 05:20:38 (EDT)
I HAVE JUST RECEIVED WHEN BLACK MEN RULED THE WORLD PART ONE ,IT WAS OUTSTANDING. IAM NOW INTERESTED IN OBTAINING PART TWO ,WHICH PERTAINS TO THE OUR BLACK QUEENS..PLEASE FORWARD ANY INFORMATION ON HOW TO SECURE THIS NEW PART... I HAVE ALSO PASSED ON THIS INFORMATION TO ALL FRIENDS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN OUR MANIFICENT BEGININGS....

EDWARD K PARKER 58 <EDPARK@WEBTV.NET>
JERSEY CITY , NJ USA - Wednesday, May 06, 1998 at 08:56:00 (EDT)

The Nation of Gods and Earths 1998 Annual Show and Prove Sunday, June 14, 1998 Hariet Tubman School 250 West 127th Street Harlem, New York (Mecca) 12 noon to 8 pm EST Admission $5.00 for Adults Children (Under 16) ENTER FREE In celebration of the Power and Truth of Allah As manifested in the YOUTH Talent Show Celebrity Guest appearances Science Fair Food Arts and Crafts BOOKS AND LIT!!!!!!!!!! Apparel Man Woman and Child Show and Prove Out of Town - Registration Form Name______________________________________________________________ Address___________________________________________________________ Phone # ( )__________________________________________________ Name of Act_______________________________________________________ Number of People in Act___________________________________________ Time Duration of Act______________________________________________ Send this Registration form to: Queen Qualisha 2122 7th Avenue New York, New York 10027 check out http://sunsite.unc.edu/nge/showandprove for information. Peace Divine Ruler Equality Allah H allah@sunsite.unc.edu | http://sunsite.unc.edu/nge/jahz.html A--.--A / \ 5% Web L L http://sunsite.unc.edu/nge http://www.7cipher.com/~NGE/ (mirror) ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ ++++ see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/mumia002.htm ++++ Jericho 98 March 27, D.C. http://www.jericho98.com/

Divine Ruler Equality Allah <allah@sunsite.unc.edu>
Age: 25, West Lafayette, IN USA - Tuesday, May 05, 1998 at 19:56:58 (EDT)

Mr. Clegg, I was wondering had you had the opportunity to read The Genocide Files yet. I met you at the conference at Howard and gave you a copy. Your feedback would be helpful. A good review in your newsletter would be great. Thanks N. Xavier Arnold

N. Xavier Arnold <xnate333@aol.com>
Age: 42, fort washington, md USA - Friday, May 01, 1998 at 16:34:49 (EDT)

APPEAL TO SAVE NUBIA !!! The Sudanese government has contracted out the Chinese government to construct a dam (known as the Kajbar Dam Project) for the purpose of bringing hydro-electric power to the Nubian area of "Mahas." If this project is implemented, the flooding waters of the dam will submerge the most densely populated area of the Nubian Mahas, which is considered the richest in archaeological sites and monuments. In spite of proven alternative energy sources that could prevent this catastrophe and genocide, and regardless of the repercussions involved with the building of this dam, the Sudanese government is proceeding with business as usual . HELP US FIGHT this conspiracy to destroy Nubia by signing this petition sending it to: Embassy of the Republic of Sudan, 2210 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. 20008. Name: _______________________________________ Address: _____________________________________ City/State/Zip: _________________________________ Country: _____________________________________ Phone No. (optional): ________________ Signature: _____________________________________ Please clip here-(DO NOT SEND BOTTOM PORTION!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PROTEST 1) Call the Sudanese Embassy at 202-338-8565 and express your outrage at the building of this dam! 2) Become informed about what is happening in Nubia by visiting these websites: http://i-cias.com/abubakr.htm http://i-cias.com/e.o/nubians.htm http://Icias.com/e.o/nubian_l.htm http://i-cias.com/e.o/hamzad.htm http://i-cias.com/e.o/mahdi_el.htm http://i-cias.com/private/abubakr/nubia/index.htm http://www.achiever.com/freehmpg/nubian/index.html 3) Start a letter writing campaign in your community, and send all letters to: Embassy of the Republic of Sudan, 2210 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. 20008 If you have any questions, please call/e-mail: Karen - 510-465-5722 / KCAMM23063@AOL.com Richard - 510-440-1970 / Osirion@AOL.com

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063>
Oakland, CA USA - Thursday, April 30, 1998 at 21:58:00 (EDT)

ABOUT NUBIA Nubian Chronology A-Group: 3800-3100 B.C. C-Group: 2300-1550 B.C. Kerma Culture: 2000-1559 B.C. Egyptian Domination: 1950-1100 B.C. Napatan Period: 747-200 B.C. Meroitic Period: 200 B.C.-A.D. 300 X-Group (Ballana Period): A.D. 250-550 Christian Period: A.D. 550-1400 Upper Nubia, Lower Nubia, Kash, Land of Kush, Land of the Bow, Wawat, Te-Seti, Te-Nehesy, Nubadae, Napata, Kingdom of Meroe, and more. All refer to the greatest African civilization - Nubia. Nubia, an 800 km of land along the Nile River, bounded by the first cataract of the River Nile south of Aswan (Egypt), and the sixth cataract south of Khartoum (capital of Sudan). Except for a very small strip of land along the Nile north of Sudan, all Nubia land is in Sudan . For unjustifiable reasons, Nubian civilization has been overlooked in favor of the another great Egyptian civilization. Respectively, all findings in the past have been attributed to Egypt, while Egypt's High Dam made it impossible for current excavations. More than 100 Nubian villages (most in Sudan) with all monuments, tombs, and temples were flooded by the waters of Nasser Lake after the construction of the High Dam. Very few monuments (four) of Nubia of Sudan were saved during an international campaign by the world community to salvage Nubian Culture, while twenty or more were saved from the Egyptian monuments during the same campaign. This great civilization has been dealt with great unfairness and intentional negligence. Recently, the awareness towards Nubia started growing rapidly among scholars, archaeologists, Nubians, Africans, African-Arabs, African-Americans, the Diaspora, and several museums in America and Europe. Several missions and institutes are carrying on excavations in Sudan to shed more light on Nubia. However, still most of the findings are being attributed to Egypt and Egyptology. The chances that this great African civilization might be overlooked again is prevailing if we take into consideration, the economical and other difficulties in Sudan. It is the role of all Africans - African-Arabs, African-Americans, the Diaspora, and the international community to initiate another salvage campaign of the Nubian Civilization. This time, not to save it from inundation by water but from inundation by negligence and being overlooked again. To the ancient Mediterranean world, the land south of Egypt was a territory of mystery and legend. Wealth and exotic products came from there. It was the home of the Ethiopians, whom Homer called blameless, and stories about its great achievements endured to tantalize the modern world. This land, which now includes Nubia, is a land of enormous distances, and its exploration was long impeded by problems of transport and political unrest. In the last hundred years, Nubia has slowly yielded its secrets, its vanished peoples, abandoned cities and lost kingdoms brought to light by the excavator and copyist of inscriptions. This exhibit is a selection of objects recovered over twenty years ago by the Oriental Institute Nubian Expedition in the effort to rescue archaeology from the rising water behind the Aswan Dam. The land of Nubia is a desert divided by the river Nile. For want of water and rich soil, most of Nubia has never been able to support a large population for long periods. However, some of Africa's greatest civilizations emerged here, centers of achievement whose existence was based on industry and trade. Because they did not write their own languages until very late in ancient times, we know these centers and their people largely through their archaeology, and what the Egyptians and Greeks said about them. Ancient Nubia: Egypt's Rival in Africa The exhibition places ancient Nubians and their civilization in a new historical context, offering visitors a compelling well-founded perspective on this little-known African civilization. Nubians in the Bronze Age, from about 3100 BC to 1000 BC, are usually thought of as divided into small chiefdoms, with the partial exception of the Kingdom of Kush in the Middle Bronze Age. However, recent research suggests that large kingdoms arose in Nubia much earlier than is generally thought. Over the centuries Nubians and Egyptians competed for power and advantage throughout the vast Lower Nile region, from the Mediterranean Sea south to the sixth cataract in the Sudan. Powerful and centrally organized, early Nubians are truly Egypt's rivals in Africa, states Dr. David O'Connor, curator of the exhibition. Exploitation by Egypt Precious metals and stone. Egyptian interests in Nubia were always driven by economics. The one factor that chiefly characterized Egypt's relationship with Nubia through most of their history was exploitation. Nubia's most important resource for Egypt was precious metal, including gold and electrum. The gold mines of Nubia were located in certain valleys and mountains on either side of the Nile River, although the most important mining center was located in the Wadi Allaqi. That valley extended eastward into the mountains near Qubban (about 107 km. south of Elephantine). Nubia was also an important source of valuable hard stone and copper, both of which were necessary for Egypt's monumental building projects. Especially important for Egypt was that Nubia was also a corridor to central Africa and a point for the trans-shipment of exotic goods from that region, including: frankincense, myrrh, "green gold," ivory, ebony and other exotic woods, precious oils, resins and gums, panther and leopard skins, monkeys, dogs, giraffes, ostrich feathers and eggs, as well as pygmies (who became important to Egyptian religious rituals). In the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians regularly penetrated as far as the second cataract to barter for these products, which were coming down through the upper Nile Valley (viz., the expeditions of Harkhuf, Hekayib, Mekhu and Sabni). Nubia was also an important source of manpower and labor for the Egyptians. The Palermo Stone records that early in the Fourth Dynasty, King Snefru led a military campaign into Nubia reputedly to crush a "revolt" there (the Egyptians considered all enemies, whether foreign or domestic, as "rebels" against the natural order). According to that text, he captured 200,000 head of cattle and 7,000 prisoners, all of whom were deported to Egypt as laborers on royal building projects. While some archaeologists argue that this campaign was limited to Lower Nubia, others note that the amount of 7,000 is rather high for a country that was fairly depopulated at the time. If the number was not inflated as royal propaganda, then Snefru could have penetrated into Upper Nubia, as far as the Land of Yam, and made his conquests there.

Karen C. Aboiralor <KCAMM23063>
Oakland, CA USA - Thursday, April 30, 1998 at 21:52:56 (EDT)

The word: EGYPT, is Greek, meaning "Black." The Greek's coined the term Egypt to describe the peoples they encountered in the land called Egypt by English speaking western world people, and it is more commonly known as Al-Misr. Taphari breakin' a bit off for the brethren. peace. check out the web pages: www.cif.rochester.edu/~issa

issa.ibn.miriam <issa.ibn.miriam@mailexcite.com>
Age: 33, Al-Qahir'a, ARE Arab Republic of Egypt - Saturday, April 25, 1998 at 17:41:25 (EDT)

Celt
USA - Saturday, April 18, 1998 at 06:22:06 (EDT)

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